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631 Re: Be more German on Sun Aug 07 2016, 21:25

Copper Dragon

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Ivan Campo
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bwfc1874 wrote:
The problem is, though, the facts really get in the way of that story. Almost 70% of Germans do not think that Merkel's refugee policy contributed to the attacks,


I see that they've provided plenty of 'facts' for saying that.  Rolling Eyes

Almost all of the population of this country (including me) didn't think that we would vote to exit the EU but we did.

It's probably a case of the downtrodden silent majority who don't like to come out and say what they actually think because they'll be branded as something that they aren't.

And if there's one set of people in Europe who have a complex about this sort of thing (which they shouldn't), then it's your average German.

632 Re: Be more German on Mon Aug 08 2016, 14:37

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Nat Lofthouse
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The migrant issue is just part of a bigger overpopulation problem which will continue until population outstrips food production capacity.

In the West we don't take account of " natural causes" to keep overpopulation in check because medicare is good and we take the view that everyone has the right to breed regardless of their ability to feed and nurture their offspring which is a new development in the scheme of human history - and something that is morally debatable. Not that state sponsored spaying will happen anytime soon whilst most of the world's cultures extol having large families in lieu of contributing to a pension scheme.

In reality most migrants would to prefer to live in the area they were born in if it was safe for them to do so and they could feed themselves. But for the most part the wars and famines that drive them to come to Europe are fostered here in the West.

We want to sell arms,Western goods and ideologies and we want to take oil and other natural resources from them, but we don't want to pay the full price - which should include the cost of maintaining social and economic stability in the countries of origin. If we did, there would be no migrants.

634 Re: Be more German on Fri Sep 02 2016, 16:35

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
How many refugees has the UK actually taken? The UK, as well as many more countries seem to be missing from that list.

635 Re: Be more German on Fri Sep 02 2016, 17:07

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Bwfc1958 wrote:How many refugees has the UK actually taken? The UK, as well as many more countries seem to be missing from that list.
I'll bet it's not as many as we have created.

636 Re: Be more German on Fri Sep 02 2016, 18:24

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Fewer than 2,000 refugees has been resettled by the start of Q2 this year with the government set to fail on their 20,000 pledge.

Just another lie from the Cameron government designed to take the heat off a bit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/refugee-crisis-uk-syrians-resettled-latest-numbers-news-asylum-claims-high-eritrea-human-rights-a7158086.html

637 Re: Be more German on Fri Sep 02 2016, 18:54

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
It says in that article though that there are 34,000 asylum applications pending. Is that 34,000 applications from Syrians or the total number of of applications full stop? The target is obviously achievable if they just get their arse in gear and process them quicker. 

Another problem by the looks of it is where to put them. With local authorities already on a shoestring because of government cuts many are refusing to take them because of the inability to fund them with the government coming up short on providing them with the money to do it.

638 Re: Be more German on Sun Sep 04 2016, 17:34

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Angela Merkel's ruling CDU party has been beaten into third place by an anti-immigrant and anti-Islam party in elections in a north-eastern German state, TV exit polls have suggested.

The Alternative fuer Deutschland (AfD) party took 21% of the vote behind the centre-left SPD's 30.5%.

The German chancellor's CDU was supported by only 19% of those who voted, according to the exit polls.

The vote was seen as a key test before German parliamentary elections in 2017.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37271971


Just to put that into some context, this is Angela Merkel's - Conservative Christian Democrats (CDU) - home state, Mecklenburg-West Pomerania!

639 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 18:42

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Andy Walker
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Just to follow up on the pathetic record of this country, just 20 children in 2 years against a target of 3,000:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/uk-admits-only-20-unaccompanied-child-refugees-in-two-years

While they cock up Brexit, let's not forget all the other areas we've been failed in by the government.

640 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:02

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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How many did you take in Troy?

641 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:05

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Andy Walker
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The problem isn't in housing these children it's the government blocking them coming in to the country in the first place.

642 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:05

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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@T.R.O.Y wrote:The problem isn't in housing these children it's the government blocking them coming in to the country in the first place.

Ok, so how many can you take if we get them in?

643 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:15

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Andy Walker
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:The problem isn't in housing these children it's the government blocking them coming in to the country in the first place.

Ok, so how many can you take if we get them in?

The government aren't doing anywhere near enough to get them in and support, probably because of the nonsense immigration targets they set to appeal to the right wing - and look at the state that pandering Cameron's government did has got us into. 

How many I can take in is irrelevant, I am not elected to sort this issue and I don't represent the country on an international level. What i do have is a right to vote and the ability to influence others and that's the only thing that will change this governments policy. So it's important their shit show record is highlighted as often as possible.

644 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:16

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Is there anything you don't blame the government for?

645 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:19

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Andy Walker
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Right, so who exactly is to blame for the government missing a target on immigration they set for themselves?

646 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:43

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don't disagree with you, but virtually every thread ends with you blaming the government. Yet all these problems were around when labour were in power, and will be next time Labour get in.

Do you honestly think all these problems - Brexit, global warming, immigration, BWFC being shit - will all be solved if Labour get into power?

647 Re: Be more German on Sat Nov 03 2018, 19:56

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Andy Walker
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No I don’t think all those issues will be solved. But your excuse that these are long standing issues that nothing can change is bollocks and a cop out. Take Brexit as an example, bought about by internal Tory politics - it wasn’t a serious thing under Labour.

The migrant crisis is another one, do you honestly think Corbyn would be taking the same line as May and Cameron have? Their government voted down the Dubs amendment a scheme to support unassisted children from Syria, Labour voted for it. There are clear differences, you just need to pay attention to them.

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