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61 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 17:23

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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The one good thing he did was sign Holden. Once Holden was injured he was exposed as a clueless tosser. He made nothing but bad signings and bad decisions after that.

It's a tough call as to who was the worst manager between him and Lee but at least we got rid of Lee fairly quickly.

62 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 17:24

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Lennon was worse than Coyle and Lee. Freedman too.

63 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 17:26

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:Lennon was worse than Coyle and Lee. Freedman too.

WUM.

64 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 17:31

bryan458

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Wonder if he's taken any positives from this ? !!

65 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 17:41

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Natasha Whittam wrote:Lennon was worse than Coyle and Lee. Freedman too.
You should do a work-up of quantitative reasons to find one worse than the next.  Not that I disagree, but we need an analysis of the bungling.  The common thread is the lack of oversight from ED and PG at the time and just plain poor picks for managing.  We should have never been relegated from the PL as well... two games in which we would have stayed up, both thrown away in the final minutes.  Of course, with the financial disaster that lied ahead, the relegation was inevitable.  Signing Zat Knight to an additional two years may be the worst decision made... or it could have been signing Elmander... or even better Marvin Sordell.  Let's just hope we can financially balance the books and get some stability in the ownership and then hope to finish in the top two.

66 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 18:19

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I judge managers on how much happiness they brought to me. Coyle took us to an FA Cup semi-final playing some great football - I remember being 3-up at Wolves having totally destroyed them for 45 minutes. Sublime. And he was doing it against Premier League sides.

Neil Lennon brought no happiness to my life. We probably lost every game under him, it certainly felt like it. I don't remember any sublime football, just Emile Heskey.

Dougie Freedman was so negative he would have been -1 if he'd been a character in Numberjacks. I think his brand of football brought more Bolton fans to the verge of suicide than all the others put together.

Surely any football manager is tasked with making the fans happy, even if it's just briefly? Coyle did that.

67 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 18:37

Bread2.0

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Gary Megson is the reason I rarely go to the match nowadays.

He broke Bolton Wanderers for me.

I can't remember who we were playing but it was a night game and I'd rushed home from work, shoved a sandwich down my neck and then legged it up to Manchester Rd in Walkden to get the bus.

It was freezing and as I sat there wondering if I'd ever regain the feeling in my feet, it just struck me - What the fuck are you doing organising your life around this (expensive) dross?

So I walked out and phoned Mrs B for a lift home.

I had a season ticket for over 20 years and I've been allover the country watching BWFC over the last 35 years and I thoroughly enjoyed it in the main but that night something snapped.

I've seen some very poor Bolton teams during that period but Megson's team(s) finally caused me to fall out of love with going to the match.

So, for me at least, Gary Megson will forever be Bolton's worst manager - S'not scientific, it's just based on personal experience.

68 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 18:44

wessy

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Yep the draw away to Bayern Munich under Megson was the worst of times.? How could it possibly get worse.lol

For me Sammy Lee was clueless.

69 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 18:49

Bread2.0

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wessy wrote:Yep the draw away to Bayern Munich under Megson was the worst of times.? How could it possibly get worse.lol

For me Sammy Lee was clueless.

If we're playing the UEFA Cup card, lest we forget, Megson famously prioritised a league game against Wigan over a last 16 tie away at Sporting Lisbon and played the second string, thus ending our European adventure in ignominious fashion.

And we then went on to lose the Wigan game despite their playing with only 10 men for 90% of the game.

Yeah, cheers Gaz......

70 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 18:56

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Bread2.0 wrote:So, for me at least, Gary Megson will forever be Bolton's worst manager - S'not scientific, it's just based on personal experience.

I feel it's important to finish the story.

At what point did you buy the armchair? Before, during or after Megson?

71 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 19:02

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:I judge managers on how much happiness they brought to me. Coyle took us to an FA Cup semi-final playing some great football - I remember being 3-up at Wolves having totally destroyed them for 45 minutes. Sublime. And he was doing it against Premier League sides.

Neil Lennon brought no happiness to my life. We probably lost every game under him, it certainly felt like it. I don't remember any sublime football, just Emile Heskey.

Dougie Freedman was so negative he would have been -1 if he'd been a character in Numberjacks. I think his brand of football brought more Bolton fans to the verge of suicide than all the others put together.

Surely any football manager is tasked with making the fans happy, even if it's just briefly? Coyle did that.

You make a fair point but how much happiness did Lee bring into your life? The idiot only won one league game out of eleven and had a win percentage of 21% compared to Lennon's 23% and Freedman's 35%. Coyle achieved less than Freedman with 33%. Even Phil Neal achieved 38%.

72 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 19:07

Reebok Trotter

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Nat Lofthouse
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Agent Coyle strikes again. Now where will he turn up next? Oldham, Rochdale, Bury and Stockport must be on his wish list.

73 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 19:45

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Gartside gave Sammy the job out of spite. His appointment was supposed to show the world that BSA wasn't irreplaceable. His assistant could do just as good a job.
I felt a bit sorry for him in his oversized suit,and that daft mike round his face.

74 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 20:05

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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xmiles wrote:

You make a fair point but how much happiness did Lee bring into your life? The idiot only won one league game out of eleven and had a win percentage of 21% compared to Lennon's 23% and Freedman's 35%. Coyle achieved less than Freedman with 33%. Even Phil Neal achieved 38%.  

A bit unfair to judge Lee on a handful of games. He inherited an aging squad and wanted (rightly or wrongly) to improve the style of football.

Who knows where he might have taken us given 30 or 40 games like all the other recent managers.

75 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Tue Feb 21 2017, 22:09

wessy

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Bread2.0 wrote:
wessy wrote:Yep the draw away to Bayern Munich under Megson was the worst of times.? How could it possibly get worse.lol

For me Sammy Lee was clueless.

If we're playing the UEFA Cup card, lest we forget, Megson famously prioritised a league game against Wigan over a last 16 tie away at Sporting Lisbon and played the second string, thus ending our European adventure in ignominious fashion.

And we then went on to lose the Wigan game despite their playing with only 10 men for 90% of the game.

Yeah, cheers Gaz......
Totally agree with all you say, just think we have had worse managers than Megson.

76 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 08:33

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
Jussi Jääskeläinen
My least favourite has to be Freedman, his football was sterile and boring but it was his attitude when being interviewed that got right up my nose. Always a sneer on his face and thought he knew best, what a wanker!

Even Megson didn't wind me up as much and that's saying something.

Lee tried to change things too quickly, he wanted to play a more expansive type of football which was fine but he needed to change things gradually not rush straight in.

77 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 12:00

Sluffy

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Tony Mowbray is new Blackburn manager.

78 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 12:05

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
Jussi Jääskeläinen
he's a glutton for punishment isn't he? He was at Coventry and look at the mess they are in. Frying pan and fire spring to mind but he can console himself with the big wages he'll get i suppose.

79 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 12:14

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
And free eggs.

80 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 13:22

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don't think Sammy Lee had anywhere near enough games to implement his new style so I reckon he was unfairly treated by the club and the fans although we'll never know how it might have worked out. Coyle tried to play decent football too but he got the signings wrong (although I felt at the time nobody wanted to come to BWFC anymore unless we lavished money on them) and at the end he'd clearly overstayed his welcome. He wasn't great but equally he wasn't the worst.

81 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 13:31

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Only wanderlust could defend sammy lee as a manager haha

82 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 13:41

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Boggersbelief wrote:Only wanderlust could defend sammy lee as a manager haha

You think 11 games is enough time for a manager?

83 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 13:58

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The only way is up for Owen

Up to Scotland.

84 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:17

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:Only wanderlust could defend sammy lee as a manager haha

You think 11 games is enough time for a manager?

Was there any evidence at all that Lee knew what he was doing? He hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial glory since has he?

85 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:20

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:Only wanderlust could defend sammy lee as a manager haha

You think 11 games is enough time for a manager?

Forgot about you

86 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:40

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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it i remember rightly there wasn't any dissenting voices when little Sam took over as we all believed he would carry on the good work of Big Sam but he wanted to do his own thing and rushed into it.

11 games wasn't enough but it was the first time we'd been in trouble for a few years and Gartside panicked and sacked him

87 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:44

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Nat Lofthouse
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11 games was enough, he clearly had no clue. We'd have been relegated that season had he stayed

88 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:50

xmiles

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Norpig wrote:it i remember rightly there wasn't any dissenting voices when little Sam took over as we all believed he would carry on the good work of Big Sam but he wanted to do his own thing and rushed into it.

11 games wasn't enough but it was the first time we'd been in trouble for a few years and Gartside panicked and sacked him

How many games would have been enough? Lee didn't know what he was doing and was clearly out of his depth. What has he done since?

89 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 14:52

Norpig

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Jussi Jääskeläinen
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i don't disagree xmiles, his main problem as i've pointed out is that he tried to change the way we played for years almost overnight and it didn't work.

He is probably best as an assistant manager or coach

90 Re: Owen Coyle sacked again! on Wed Feb 22 2017, 15:25

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Norpig wrote:i don't disagree xmiles, his main problem as i've pointed out is that he tried to change the way we played for years almost overnight and it didn't work.

He is probably best as an assistant manager or coach
:agree:
Not having a clue would be Roy McFarland who had twice as many games as Lee and still didn't get it right which is why he has a worse record than Lee.

I actually wish Lee had been given longer because you could see he wanted to play flowing football and the squad was just not fit enough and generally too old to play that style but it could easily have been sorted out given time - especially if he'd been given the money that was lavished on Megson instead.

But because PG panicked we ended up playing the exact opposite of what Lee was trying to achieve - Megson's brand of defensive crap that was possibly the most boring football I have ever witnessed.

As I said at the time, be careful what you wish for.

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