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121 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sat Jul 01 2017, 16:18

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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welcome Bill, nice to see a new poster on here!

122 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Tue Jul 04 2017, 14:19

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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ACV Holding Statement
 

Following our meeting with the club last Wednesday, the issue of the removal of the asset of community value (ACV) listing has been made public by the club. We have resolved to take various opinions from Bolton Council and Supporters Direct. Once we have received the input requested we will revert to members further at that point.

123 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Tue Jul 04 2017, 18:00

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy wrote:
People in glass houses really shouldn't be throwing stones.

And people in council houses shouldn't throw parties. As far as I'm concerned Anderson is using his own money to run the club so he has to be given some credit.

124 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Wed Jul 05 2017, 23:56

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ACV Update
 


Update on meeting of 28 June 2017 in respect of initiatives of BWFCST and the club’s enquiry concerning the ACV

 
We write in further explanation of the request made by the club of the voluntary removal of the Asset of Community Value (“ACV”) approved by the Council in February 2017 over property at the Macron stadium.
 
We were pleased to meet with representatives of the current owners on 28/6/17. As is entirely prudent,
around 2 weeks before the meeting we requested from the club an explanation of areas of discussion that they might wish to disclose with us in advance of the meeting.

The club described their reasoning for the meeting as being a general chat. We set out a variety of initiatives which have now been widely publicised in the media which included amongst other matters, an initiative to promote the excellent work of the Academy and ideas to improve the supporter experience relating to wifi and the fanzone. We also raised the subject of the issue of safe standing which the club later addressed in a statement to fans via the Bolton News.
 
At the meeting the issue of the ACV was discussed as a first topic. As a result of the heavy demand on Mr Anderson’s time, he was not able to remain in the meeting after the request for removal of the ACV. The remainder of the meeting was both interesting and promising as our initiatives were considered.
 
The ACV does not prevent football clubs in their occupation and use of land which is deemed important to the community. It does not impede such property being mortgaged and is intended to protect property from secret sales thus seeking to introduce a transparency to transactions; the listing party is afforded a period of 6 weeks in which to register their interest in any change of ownership to the ACV, and given the opportunity to match sale terms
 
 Our response to the request to “lift” the ACV was that we would investigate the position with Bolton Mbc and Supporters Direct and revert to the club. Whilst the club highlighted that it would be preferable for the club and the supporters’ trust to do this on a consensual basis, we pointed out that the ACV was core to the values of any supporters’ trust and we wanted to take advice.
 
Initial substantive contact with both the Council and Supporters’ Direct was not made until 3/7/17 despite attempts being initiated on 28/6/17. On the part of Supporters Direct we were informed that their annual conference took place at the weekend 1-2/7/17 and as such they were unable to give this matter their immediate attention.
 
From the discussions with Bolton Mbc and Supporters Direct, we are advised that there is no mechanism in the legislation for the voluntary “lifting” of the ACV. The idea being that the listing of an ACV is now a matter vested with the local authority.

Unfortunately in these circumstances the request made of the Supporters’ Trust is misplaced and therefor we’re not in a position to help,
however we will continue to drive our initiatives for the direct benefit of the club and to support the experience of the supporter.  
 
We have informed the club of our findings and have sought another meeting to pursue further initiatives.  


125 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu Jul 06 2017, 08:29

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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Not really doing much to improve the relationship between them and the club are they?  Rolling Eyes

126 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu Jul 06 2017, 08:37

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Andy Walker
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They may as well have wrote, Anderson came to the meeting demanded the ACV be lifted and then left whilst the small fish talked about the quality of the pies. Does not take much reading between the lines to see that there is still bad blood there.

Shocked

127 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 13:45

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy must be busy,so I'll post it.


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128 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 14:45

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I did actually see the article in the Bolton News but as the ladies team aren't even a part of the club...

"Wanderers Ladies come under the umbrella of the Community Trust, a registered charity, rather than the club itself".

...we've never had a thread as such about the ladies team on Nuts and it wasn't actually a news statement from the ST but rather once again Iles blowing smoke up the ST's backsides (anyone noticed he's not never tweeted or wrote an article on the outcome of the ACV appeal - which despite the ST trying to spin it otherwise - was a defeat for them!).

So I didn't see any relevance in mentioning the article.

Fair play however for doing something now, although it does make me wonder why they hadn't decided to do something for the ladies team much, much sooner - they are after all in PARTNERSHIP with the Community Trust and have been for some time!!!

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I also don't think they bothered sponsoring any of their players like Manning and his mates at LoV have(?) or is it just a pure coincidence that they've done it now just at the time they are finally holding their long delayed elections!?

129 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 15:02

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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It must the 'Bolton Wanderers' that's confusing me. 

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130 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 15:49

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boltonbonce wrote:It must the 'Bolton Wanderers' that's confusing me. 

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I'm sure its confused many Bonce.

As I said fair play to the ST (or anyone else for that matter) helping them out by whatever means they can but the cynical side of me came out when I first read the article and wondered why are the ST only helping them out NOW - after all they are directly (and formally) associated with the ladies team through partnership ties - vastly more so indeed than they are to the club!

Seemed to me to be much more of a coincidence for them (via Iles) to post up a 'good news' story just at the time of their elections - where they desperately need people to be interacting with them and vote - otherwise they once again face the prospect of yet another unelected Board for a further year.

Also did anyone notice the commitment by the ST was for this year only - you'd think they would have made a bigger commitment than that if they were serious about supporting the ladies team (and fellow partner organisation!).





131 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 15:50

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They're probably skint. Razz

132 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun Nov 12 2017, 15:59

Sluffy

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boltonbonce wrote:They're probably skint. Razz

No I don't think they are.

They claim they have something like 3,500 members at £10 a head (plus say a 1,000 renewals at a further £10) so that's £45,000.

They also raised a wodge over the Legends game - something like a further £20,000+ I think they once claim.

So even taking out printing and postage of their membership 'shares', and the other various expenses they have had, they should still have plenty in their bank I would have thought.

Enough at least to commit to a two year sponsorship for the ladies kit, if not longer.

133 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Mon Nov 13 2017, 13:36

King Bill

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Sluffy wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:They're probably skint. Razz

No I don't think they are.

They claim they have something like 3,500 members at £10 a head (plus say a 1,000 renewals at a further £10) so that's £45,000.

They also raised a wodge over the Legends game - something like a further £20,000+ I think they once claim.

So even taking out printing and postage of their membership 'shares', and the other various expenses they have had, they should still have plenty in their bank I would have thought.

Enough at least to commit to a two year sponsorship for the ladies kit, if not longer.

More nonsense and fantasy.
Your posts are littered with assumptions, guesswork and scaremongering. You must be a mate of Ken's 

I don't think, should, would, like, are just of few of the words you use regarding the ST. Either get your facts right or stop posting rubbish.

FYI,  I never paid the £10 voluntary membership fee, so they should only have £44990 in the bank.....lets say.

134 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Mon Nov 13 2017, 14:25

Sluffy

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King Bill wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:They're probably skint. Razz

No I don't think they are.

They claim they have something like 3,500 members at £10 a head (plus say a 1,000 renewals at a further £10) so that's £45,000.

They also raised a wodge over the Legends game - something like a further £20,000+ I think they once claim.

So even taking out printing and postage of their membership 'shares', and the other various expenses they have had, they should still have plenty in their bank I would have thought.

Enough at least to commit to a two year sponsorship for the ladies kit, if not longer.

More nonsense and fantasy.
Your posts are littered with assumptions, guesswork and scaremongering. You must be a mate of Ken's 

I don't think, should, would, like, are just of few of the words you use regarding the ST. Either get your facts right or stop posting rubbish.

FYI,  I never paid the £10 voluntary membership fee, so they should only have £44990 in the bank.....lets say.

It may well be nonsense and fantasy but the details are taken directly from what Mike Smith - ST founder and Board member - has stated on the Wanderers Ways forum.

I'm not sad enough to search through all his posts on there to find and show the links to what he's said but I assure you they are there and what I have quoted is what he posted - apart from the 1,000 renewals at £10, which may be more or less but I thought was a reasonable fair estimate based on the decline of interest in the ST.

Smith and the ST 'claim' that anybody who 'pledged to join' the ST is a 'member' (over 6,000 did apparently included the ones who pledged for their pet budgie, senile granny or new born child) but only 3,500 people bothered actually paying their pledge of £10 - of which I assume you aren't one from what you state above.

So,

3,500 payments of £10 = £35,000

plus the estimate 1,000 renewals at £10 = £10,000 and thus giving £45,000 in membership income.

Add on to this the £20,000+ Smith stated they received from the legends game gives the income total I showed above.

Whether people want to believe that amount or not is up to them - BUT the figures have been put into the public domain by Mike Smith (posting as Josh8) the ST's founder - and not by me!

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