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91 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 17:04

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Fear not Ken. They've been down the back of the settee. Very Happy
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92 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 19:55

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I agree the ST are behaving in an amateurish way but I think Ken should have put the ball firmly back in their court by doing his own valuation, working out a fair price for 10% (say £5 million for sake of argument) and agreeing to sell it to them when they come up with the money.

That way they can either shit or get off the pan. They won't be able to mouth off if they can't raise the money and if by any chance they can raise the money it's good much-needed investment for the club.

Two birds, one stone and no downside.

93 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 22:24

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Unless I've missed something Iles has still not reported on Anderson's statement about the clubs finances and its relationship with the ST - even though it was posted over SEVEN HOURS ago.

I can't find anything that he's filed for the BN, he's not tweeted about it - even though he's been on twitter over two hours ago (or in other words 5 hours AFTER the announcement).

I can't find anything on his much publicised Facebook account (surely moving from twitter to FB is a retrograde step these days?) which seems to be deader than even Burnden Aces used to be!

Never the less he reported in the press about the winding up petitions without getting any comment about it from the club, and reported in full the ST's, shall we say blinkered views, as to their 'stance' on the position - watching "the club lurch from one crisis to another".

A view fully repudiated by Anderson and which led him to put the ST in its place by disclosing their farcical offer of £140,000 (which they haven't got in the first place) for 10% of the clubs total equity.

I've always liked Iles but he does seem (and more tellingly act) in cahoots with the ST's board members and the key individuals at the LoV, notably Manning and White Smurf (Ian Firth - who for the record states he lives down south and so is hardly in the inner circle of folks in the know of what is going on inside the club).

The ST and LoV have clearly been part of Holdsworth camp in the past and Iles is clearly also tainted by his ongoing association with them.

It's pretty clear Iles has little or no insider information from within the club and thus depends to a greater or lesser extent to what the ST and LoV feed him.

Once all the financial gubbins have finally been sorted out and as long as Anderson remains in charge thereafter, it would not surprise me one bit if Iles is distanced from the club in a similar manner as to how unwelcomed he was under Eddie Davies regime.

If so he's made his own rod for his back by being unable or unwilling to remain impartial from the 'ownership' desire of the ST board members and the 'click bait' revenue requirements of the LoV site.

The man is a fool to himself imo.

94 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 22:49

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The BWSA are now distancing themselves from the ST.



*****BWSA STATEMENT*****

We are aware that the Supporters Trust has today made a statement regarding the state of the finances at Bolton Wanderers and Burnden leisure.

We as the BWSA have never made any public statement before now regarding any of these issues, but feel at the moment we must now do so.

We do not pretend to know about the state of the finances behind the scenes, and can only rely on the information provided by Ken Anderson and his team.

All the communication points to them working currently to resolve the Blumarble situation, as this a barrier to real meaningful long term investment in the club.

Thus far his communication has been both regular and reliable in its content.

We feel this is a real breath of fresh air.

We are all painfully aware as you are, that the club has been in a perilous position to say the least for a number of years. However as it stands it would appear the current owners are doing all they can to put the club on a stable financial path for a long and successful future.

We do not believe therefore that this is the time to destabilise the club further, by raising concerns regarding its financial state, particularly without any actual concrete information to go on.

This is not only for the supporters, but the fantastic staff at BWFC.

We therefore would like to state that we fully support Ken and his team given the information we currently have, and hope that the plans they have for the short and long term of our club come to fruition.

We have decided to make this statement today purely because of the number of messages we have received and comments online and elsewhere confusing the BWSA and the supporters trust.

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95 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:11

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Ken gives them access to players, use of a suite at the club and loads of publicity - would be a shock if they came down on the side of anyone who was anti-Anderson.

96 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:12

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Sluffy wrote:Unless I've missed something Iles has still not reported on Anderson's statement about the clubs finances and its relationship with the ST - even though it was posted over SEVEN HOURS ago.

I can't find anything that he's filed for the BN, he's not tweeted about it - even though he's been on twitter over two hours ago (or in other words 5 hours AFTER the announcement).

I can't find anything on his much publicised Facebook account (surely moving from twitter to FB is a retrograde step these days?) which seems to be deader than even Burnden Aces used to be!

Never the less he reported in the press about the winding up petitions without getting any comment about it from the club, and reported in full the ST's, shall we say blinkered views, as to their 'stance' on the position - watching "the club lurch from one crisis to another".

A view fully repudiated by Anderson and which led him to put the ST in its place by disclosing their farcical offer of £140,000 (which they haven't got in the first place) for 10% of the clubs total equity.

I've always liked Iles but he does seem (and more tellingly act) in cahoots with the ST's board members and the key individuals at the LoV, notably Manning and White Smurf (Ian Firth - who for the record states he lives down south and so is hardly in the inner circle of folks in the know of what is going on inside the club).

The ST and LoV have clearly been part of Holdsworth camp in the past and Iles is clearly also tainted by his ongoing association with them.

It's pretty clear Iles has little or no insider information from within the club and thus depends to a greater or lesser extent to what the ST and LoV feed him.

Once all the financial gubbins have finally been sorted out and as long as Anderson remains in charge thereafter, it would not surprise me one bit if Iles is distanced from the club in a similar manner as to how unwelcomed he was under Eddie Davies regime.

If so he's made his own rod for his back by being unable or unwilling to remain impartial from the 'ownership' desire of the ST board members and the 'click bait' revenue requirements of the LoV site.

The man is a fool to himself imo.

Wow.

97 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:29

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Kane57 wrote:Ken gives them access to players, use of a suite at the club and loads of publicity - would be a shock if they came down on the side of anyone who was anti-Anderson.


The BWSA predates Anderson by many years.

They are in fact the clubs 'official' fan club and have been in existence for decades.

It has nothing at all to do with which 'camp' the might be in or what 'agenda' they might be holding.

They all have the best interests of the club at heart and have never been interested in playing club politics in anyway at all.

They have been lampooned by some in the past as being old fashioned and 'werther' eaters but they are life long supporters and have watched more Wanderers matches than you or I have in our time.

Probably not exciting enough for you but all are decent people who love the club and aren't in it for themselves.

It therefore speaks volumes when they've had to go to the trouble of making a public announcement - their first one ever I would imagine - to distance themselves from the dealings and actions of the Supporters Trust.



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98 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:30

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Sluffy wrote:
Kane57 wrote:Ken gives them access to players, use of a suite at the club and loads of publicity - would be a shock if they came down on the side of anyone who was anti-Anderson.


The BWSA predates Anderson by many years.

They are in fact the clubs 'official' fan club and have been in existence for decades.

It has nothing at all to do with which 'camp' the might be in or what 'agenda' they might be holding.

They all have the best interests of the club at heart and have never been interested in playing club politics in anyway at all.

They have been lampooned by some in the past as being old fashioned and 'werther' eaters but they are life long supporters and have watched more Wanderers matches than you or I have in our time.

Probably not exciting enough for you but all are decent people who love the club and aren't in it for themselves.


All true, but as the old saying goes, you shouldn't shit where you eat.

99 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:43

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Kane57 wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
Kane57 wrote:Ken gives them access to players, use of a suite at the club and loads of publicity - would be a shock if they came down on the side of anyone who was anti-Anderson.


The BWSA predates Anderson by many years.

They are in fact the clubs 'official' fan club and have been in existence for decades.

It has nothing at all to do with which 'camp' the might be in or what 'agenda' they might be holding.

They all have the best interests of the club at heart and have never been interested in playing club politics in anyway at all.

They have been lampooned by some in the past as being old fashioned and 'werther' eaters but they are life long supporters and have watched more Wanderers matches than you or I have in our time.

Probably not exciting enough for you but all are decent people who love the club and aren't in it for themselves.


All true, but as the old saying goes, you shouldn't shit where you eat.

What are you on about?

The BWSA are not playing any games at all, they just clearly want to be completely disassociated from the deeds and actions of the Supporters Trust, at least whilst under the current ST board.



Going off topic for a moment, have you seen the poll on Wanderers Ways in respect of the ST?

Over a 100 votes cast so far with 3% in support of the ST and 97% against the current management of it!

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100 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Thu May 11 2017, 23:46

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I don't blame them for voting that way at all.

The importance of having a Trust remains as key as ever, but this sort of ambition has come far too soon in its existence.

As for BWSA, their step is an obvious one - keeps Ken on side whilst, I would hope, echoing the thoughts of their members. Something the Trust haven't done with their actions.

101 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Fri May 12 2017, 00:17

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Kane57 wrote:I don't blame them for voting that way at all.

The importance of having a Trust remains as key as ever, but this sort of ambition has come far too soon in its existence.

As for BWSA, their step is an obvious one - keeps Ken on side whilst, I would hope, echoing the thoughts of their members. Something the Trust haven't done with their actions.

I honestly think you are barking up the wrong tree as to why the BWSA have made their statement.

It has nothing at all to do with keeping Anderson sweet and everything to do with wanting to be seen as quite separate (and distance themselves) from the ST and the hostility and negativity they have brought upon themselves.

Many people are thinking that BWSA and BWST are the same thing - they are not - and never will be.  The former being an 'official' body of the club and the later being a completely independent organisation ostensibly established as the fans voice.

Something they are clearly not.

I personally don't put much store in the reason for being of an ST.

I know I'm in a minority on this view but I've never been one for simply following the crowd.

At the end of the day even a ST can not save a club from going under unless they themselves are in a financial position to do so.

At the moment the ST can't even find enough to sort out some funds for a bit of work that needs doing at the training ground let alone pay a current months wages at the club.

Until they are substantially better funded or the board is removed and replaced by people who are able to bring in substantially more money than the current muppets can - and quite frankly more professional in their manner and dealings - then BWFCST is simply not fit for purpose in my opinion.

Just my view though, obviously and I respect you and others who may hold a contrary one to that.

102 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sat May 20 2017, 15:59

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Announcement from BWFCST



Dear Members

In accordance with our model rules, BWFCST is beginning the process of holding our annual elections to the Board and arranging an AGM which we hope will take place in September.
 
The rules require at least 3 Board members will resign and stand for re-election, if they wish to.

In accordance with these rules and due to a change in his personal circumstances, our Chairman Ian Bridge, has decided to step down now, instead of waiting until the election.

We are extremely disappointed at this news, Ian is of course a founder member and has worked tirelessly forming and establishing the Trust for the last 18 months and his contribution to our success is immeasurable.
 
We would like to take this opportunity on behalf of all our members to formally thank him for all his efforts and wish him and his family all the very best in the future. Hopefully we can call on him from time to time to lend his experience as the trust moves forward.

We would also like to urge all members who feel they can contribute in any way, to put themselves forward for election to the Board or to make themselves available to any of the working groups to help move the trust on to the next level.


We will be making further announcements about the elections and the AGM in the coming weeks
 
Regards
 
BWFCST Board


103 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun May 21 2017, 09:57

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Nothing to do with the whole 10% stake in the club debacle and winding up KA and most of the supporters then?  Rolling Eyes.

They need to clear out the whole board and start from scratch and try and build some bridges with the club if they want to have any kind of influence with how the club runs and goes forward.

104 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun May 21 2017, 11:05

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They need to understand what the purpose of an ST is for.

It is solely as a final backstop to stay a club going bust when everything else has failed and there is nothing of worth left
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Once that position is reached it has the chance to raise some funds or attract some wealthy benefactor to put up some money perhaps in the tens or hundreds of thousands - maybe a million or two at best - to be able to fund the club as a going concern at a league level that it can be financially viable and competitive in - ie in the lower leagues/non league level.  

It is not there to tell club owners how to run their clubs, tell them what to do with their money or demand (or even ask nicely) in a say in the club.

From day one the ST have misled people as to what it is they are there for and people have simply believed them.

Nobody in any business is going to hand over power to a consumer group - Has Bill Gates said 'I know a lot of people use my Microsoft products so I'm giving the Microsoft Supporters Trust a place on my board' - no he's not.  Neither have the people who own Tesco's or Disney, or British Airways or any other company - so why do some people believe things are different because it is about a football club they support???

The ST has never been realistic under the people who founded it since minute one and until people finally grasp what it is really there for then it will never be a success because it simply can't deliver anything other than what its purpose is for.

It's as simple as that really.

105 Re: Latest statement from the ST on Sun May 21 2017, 13:20

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They were offered a chance to help the club,and, in my opinion,they should have grabbed it with both hands. 
Coming back with 'what's in it for us',was a big mistake.
I didn't join the ST to become a part owner of BWFC. I,like many others joined because I wanted to give something back to the club I've supported all my life,and unless they change tack pretty radically,the ST are going to bite the dust.
I wish them well,because I think they can do a job. But things must change.

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