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541 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 14:47

y2johnny


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So we should be grateful he nearly made us non existant?

Also, there is zero proof to back up what you have said.  All that sky money/anelka money etc went somewhere and it wasnt always back into the clubs coffers.

542 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 15:01

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It went on the stupid contracts and silly money Coyle splashed out.

Can anyone even think of a decent player he signed for us (not a loan signing)?

Even Stuart Holden when you consider what we paid him over the years he was injured, wasn't value for money.

And don't get me started on how he re-signed Zat Knight on a 2 year contract ffs!!!

Gartside and Coyle were the ones that blew Davies money - the complete numpties - the both of them.

543 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 15:31

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wanderlust wrote:I'm still astounded that some fans aren't grateful to Eddie for funding years of Premiership football, a couple of trips to Europe and some top quality talent signing for us. We all make mistakes and his was trusting Gartside to run an efficient ship. I don't blame him for switching off the tap having lost more money on a football club than any owner in history.
 All that is very nice and i loved it Lusty but what kind of supposed successful businessman takes his eye off the ball and his money so spectacularly?

I do blame him as well for the way he just pulled the plug without any kind of takeover in place and left normal members of staff at the club wondering whether they would be paid or not. He had responsibilities he should have covered until he sold the club.

544 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 15:41

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At the end of the day, Eddie put at least £100 million of his own money into the club - some say a lot more but even after his repayments it was at least £100 million. 
Without that money, we wouldn't have been able to pay the wages of all the big stars we signed, Allardyce wouldn't have been anywhere near as successful and we wouldn't have gotten into Europe. 

As Sluffy says, Coyle made some bad signings but so did previous managers and they all sold cheap which can only lead to massive financial losses. But instead of closing down the club and selling off the remaining assets to recoup some of his losses, Eddie took it on the chin and wrote off the vast majority of the debt. 
True we almost went bankrupt - and we would have done if it wasn't for Eddie taking a massive personal loss - he could have called in the debt if he'd wanted to. I can't think of another club that has had a benefactor that has taken such a big hit for the club he loves and we will never see that level of investment again - certainly not from Anderson.
Like everyone else, I was gutted when the poo hit the fan, but it was only through Eddie's investment that my hopes were so high in the first place so I can't see any justification for blaming him.

545 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 16:46

y2johnny


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Norpig wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I'm still astounded that some fans aren't grateful to Eddie for funding years of Premiership football, a couple of trips to Europe and some top quality talent signing for us. We all make mistakes and his was trusting Gartside to run an efficient ship. I don't blame him for switching off the tap having lost more money on a football club than any owner in history.
 All that is very nice and i loved it Lusty but what kind of supposed successful businessman takes his eye off the ball and his money so spectacularly?

I do blame him as well for the way he just pulled the plug without any kind of takeover in place and left normal members of staff at the club wondering whether they would be paid or not. He had responsibilities he should have covered until he sold the club.
This

546 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 16:56

y2johnny


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I dont think we will ever know the true facts but he definitely ended up better off as he was never worth more than a hundred million before taking us over.  There was some sort of behind the scenes investors etc that put in and took out.

Anyway, the main thing that stuck in my throat was insisting he was made president when the deal was struck.

Being made the president of a football club is something that is bestowed upon you and not insisted on as part of a crooked deal.

Nat deserved it

Eddie certainly did not.

547 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 08 2017, 17:20

Growler


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We were already screwed when Coyle took over, Megson had been allowed to spend £40 million on mostly mediocrity that was 19th in the table.As i mentioned last week, Megson left us with a shite central midfield and poor strike force.We weren't 19th just because Megson was a poor, negative manager, it was because he'd signed a poor collection of players for his £40 million.

The irony is that Allardyce was such a great manager the books weren't far off being balanced during the glorious top 8 years.He got us into Europe the 1st time with a highest fee paid of £4 million for Diouf.Our first season in the PL under Sam we had the lowest wage bill in the Division and spent bugger all, well 650K on Henrik. If we'd gone down that first seasons we'd be considered one of those clubs who didn't attempt to compete financially.

If Eddie did throw £100 million down the drain, it was in the Megson, Coyle, Dougie, Lennon years which were mostly garbage for the supporters bar the occasional decent result.So im not sure we should be grateful for him giving us Meggo, Coyle and Dougie and letting them blow £100 million.

548 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Dec 10 2017, 22:19

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Like everyone else who was at the game on Saturday, I am bitterly disappointed in coming away with nothing to show for all the hard work having been in control for long periods of the game.
As the manager has already said, “We have dropped three points today, not one.”

If ever there was a game that we should have won this season, this was it. Despite conceding the first goal from a bad free kick decision, we gradually got back into the game and were, as l have said above, in control of the game for long periods,  but unfortunately our defending at times was poor and we conceded three soft goals and missed several gilt-edged chances to have taken the lead.
As they say however, “that’s football!”
We must find a way to ensure we don’t drop points like this and that we maintain our focus and concentration throughout the game if we are to give ourselves any chance of retaining Championship status.
However, that said we now have to move on, dust ourselves down, and show an immediate reaction in our next game at home against Burton Albion on Saturday.

I am pleased to see that nearly 100 of you have already taken up our half season ticket offer and l hope that many more of you will do likewise before the end of the month.
The additional income that this brings to the club will all be used in the forthcoming transfer window and obviously the more cash we can generate, the better our chances are of getting players to come to us and strengthen the squad in January. You can buy your half season ticket by clicking here.

I think we can take it for granted that a number of the teams around us will also be looking to strengthen their squads.

As I have previously stated, we really do need you all to come back and get behind the team particularly next Saturday for what is now a six-pointer against Burton and when l look at the photo below of the 23,000 or so of you who turned out on the last day of last season when we achieved promotion, to have an experience like this again would be fantastic and l know it would help lift the team and drive them on to put a clear gap between us and Burton.

With your vociferous backing from the outset and continuously throughout the match, we will create an intimidating atmosphere for any visiting team.  

We are five games unbeaten at Macron Stadium and we are rebuilding our fortress mentality from last season. Teams do not like coming here.

This needs to carry on for the rest of the season and you, your family, your friends and your colleagues can really help the team out by coming along and cheering the players on from start to finish.

Hopefully, next Saturday will bring the turnout and result we so dearly need to help us climb the table to safety.

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The above table shows the Sky Bet Championship table from 12 months ago. In respect of the bottom three now and from 12 months ago at this stage, let’s hope it is a case of history repeating itself!
It’s also intriguing to note where Wolves and Cardiff were then and are now. This has to be our aim going forward and with your constant backing and support I do not see why this won’t be possible.

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549 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 11 2017, 16:12

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Blah blah blah,23-000 v Burton ( no fucking chance) 16-000 If we are lucky. Also you know Vela is getting sold. It’s like having an art exhibition then withdrawing the Renoir. Sooner we get sold to any billionaire the better. Then Rubber face can fuck off. Holding,Clough Vela the family jewels.Hope Vela stays till at least the end of the season. Who knows what the summer brings.

550 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 11 2017, 16:17

Wanderers for 45


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I don’t believe Eddie Davies put 100 million in. We were in the Premiership for 12 years. He pulled the plug when he had to start using some of his own money.
His accountants would of advised him. FFS wake Up.

551 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 11 2017, 16:23

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Wanderers for 45 wrote:Blah blah blah,23-000 v Burton ( no fucking chance) 16-000 If we are lucky. Also you know Vela is getting sold. It’s like having an art exhibition then withdrawing the Renoir. Sooner we get sold to any billionaire the better. Then Rubber face can fuck off. Holding,Clough Vela the family jewels.Hope Vela stays till at least the end of the season. Who knows what the summer brings.
Think this figure is pushing it, they won't bring many, so I'd guess at 12000

552 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 11 2017, 16:25

y2johnny


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Wanderers for 45 wrote:I don’t believe Eddie Davies put 100 million in. We were in the Premiership for 12 years. He pulled the plug when he had to start using some of his own money.
His accountants would of advised him. FFS wake Up.
Yep.

553 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 11 2017, 16:54

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Wanderers for 45 wrote:I don’t believe Eddie Davies put 100 million in. We were in the Premiership for 12 years. He pulled the plug when he had to start using some of his own money.
His accountants would of advised him. FFS wake Up.
I agree, Eddie pulled the plug the season the Premier League parachute payments were going to stop and it was obvious we weren't going to be promoted back to the big money league.

I think the amount of money Eddie lost is closer to 0 than 100 million.

554 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 12:26

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As we look towards this weekend’s game against Burton Albion, there is no denying that this is an important fixture as we head into the upcoming hectic festive period.

The players, management and staff here at Bolton Wanderers are well and truly ready for the fight this Saturday – it will undoubtedly be a real humdinger of an encounter against a side who fought against the odds to remain in English football’s second tier last term.

What we need now however is all of you, our wonderful supporters, your friends and colleagues to come along to the game and get behind the team with the gusto and passion that we have seen on so many occasions before.

To have a packed Macron Stadium, coupled with your vociferous backing like we had last season, could truly make the difference when it comes down to helping us get the result we need to ultimately put daylight between ourselves and Burton and in turn, climb up the league table.

Tickets can be purchased instore at Bolton Central, online at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or over the phone on 0844 871 2932.

We will also be holding a player signing session in the club shop prior to the game, details of which will be broadcast on our website and social media platforms in the coming days.

There will be a matchday special available on Saturday too, with 20% off selected items in Bolton Central which will make the perfect stocking fillers for Christmas.

Your support, both vocally and financially, is imperative to Bolton Wanderers Football Club and the unveiling of the new training dome at the Academy this week – following on from the new gym earlier this month – is proof of what a difference you can make.

I would encourage and ask all of you to sign up to the club’s Lotteries schemes, whether that is the Goldline, Lifeline or simply by buying a scratch card or Golden Gamble ticket on matchdays, to play your part in helping to take BWFC back to the heights where we know it belongs.

What the BWDA has achieved in terms of helping to develop the club’s facilities is incredible and with the support of you all, the sky really is the limit and you can all look back and be proud of the fact that you played your part in that.

Fans are the lifeblood of any football club and that is certainly true when it comes to Bolton Wanderers.

We all have a collective dream here and that is to make sure that we are as successful as possible, both on and off the pitch.

I am sure that many of you will have read in the press regarding speculation ahead of the January transfer window and I would like to stress that no clubs have contacted us regarding the availability of our players and in any event, we are looking to bring in bodies to strengthen the squad as we look to secure our Sky Bet Championship safety.

This work is already underway with myself, the manager, Lee Anderson and our chief scout Tim Breacker having spent numerous hours earlier this week discussing potential targets for next month.

All in all however, the job at hand at the moment is getting through the Christmas period and picking up as many points as possible to ensure that we enter 2018 in as strong a position as possible to kick on in the New Year.

Throughout history, the fixtures and results around this time of the year have shown to play a big part in determining where you find yourself come the end of the season and we need to make sure that we make our mark during the remainder of the month and beyond.

As always, let’s be loud, let’s be proud and let’s get behind the team this weekend.

Kind regards,

Ken

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555 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 12:52

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Yawn.

556 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 13:00

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Gray Gnomes wrote:I dont think we will ever know the true facts but he definitely ended up better off as he was never worth more than a hundred million before taking us over.  There was some sort of behind the scenes investors etc that put in and took out.

Anyway, the main thing that stuck in my throat was insisting he was made president when the deal was struck.

Being made the president of a football club is something that is bestowed upon you and not insisted on as part of a crooked deal.

Nat deserved it

Eddie certainly did not
Yes - we will never know the full facts, but I think it's reasonable to assume Eddie put "a lot" of money into BWFC and continued to do so for years, despite being led up the garden path by Gartside. The amount written off was around £170 million so that's what was recorded in the accounts and the amount he was worth when he first took over is irrelevant as his other businesses continued to earn throughout his tenure. My view is that whatever the exact figure, it's money we wouldn't have otherwise had - and for that alone we should be grateful. Anderson must be grateful too as he is still pawning the assets Eddie paid for to balance the books rather than having to put any of his own money in.

557 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 13:29

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What assets has he pawned then to save him putting his hand in his pocket, seeing you know so much?

558 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 16:30

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After the high court hearing we sold the training ground to Wigan for £2 million and some of the car park to Prescot for £5 million, was that the previous owner or Ken?
On the pitch the £5 million  from the Clough and Holding sales was definitely in Kens time.
We havent paid a transfer fee since any of these sales

559 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 16:44

y2johnny


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But we also arent trading on a big loss like we was previously

560 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 17:34

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Gray Gnomes wrote:But we also arent trading on a big loss like we was previously
Wasn't it mentioned recently that we are still losing around £6 million p.a.? Smaller investment, smaller wage bill, smaller loss makes sense but we haven't got anywhere nearer making a profit despite Anderson's pleas for bigger attendances and shirt sales. The thing is that selling players and pawning assets doesn't do anything for profitability as it brings in cash but it can only be spent once so it helps cashflow but when it's gone you're back to where you were. Because of our infrastructure/stadium and the associated costs I reckon the only way we'll reach break even is by filling the ground every week and expanding the fan base and that means success on the pitch which can most likely only be achieved by investment - and we won't get that from Anderson.

561 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Thu Dec 14 2017, 18:21

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Growler wrote:After the high court hearing we sold the training ground to Wigan for £2 million and some of the car park to Prescot for £5 million, was that the previous owner or Ken?
On the pitch the £5 million  from the Clough and Holding sales was definitely in Kens time.
We havent paid a transfer fee since any of these sales

The capital sales were under the Davies regime.

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The sales of players were exactly that - sales.  They have not been put up as assets against a loan - and so have not been 'pawned' as per my question above.

So I repeat - what exactly are these assets that have been pawned to save Anderson putting his hand in is pocket?

Any deficit in running costs have got to have been made up by Anderson putting in more equity (from his own pocket) - where else has it come from otherwise?

Wanderlust just makes things up to back up his dislike of Anderson - he never is able to substantiate his claims with any hard facts.

I thought people would have realised that by now?

562 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Fri Dec 15 2017, 10:31

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Sluffy wrote:
Growler wrote:After the high court hearing we sold the training ground to Wigan for £2 million and some of the car park to Prescot for £5 million, was that the previous owner or Ken?
On the pitch the £5 million  from the Clough and Holding sales was definitely in Kens time.
We havent paid a transfer fee since any of these sales

The capital sales were under the Davies regime.

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The sales of players were exactly that - sales.  They have not been put up as assets against a loan - and so have not been 'pawned' as per my question above.

So I repeat - what exactly are these assets that have been pawned to save Anderson putting his hand in is pocket?

Any deficit in running costs have got to have been made up by Anderson putting in more equity (from his own pocket) - where else has it come from otherwise?

Wanderlust just makes things up to back up his dislike of Anderson - he never is able to substantiate his claims with any hard facts.

I thought people would have realised that by now?
I'm bored with you now.

563 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 12:21

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I can imagine that, like me, you were all very disappointed on Saturday after losing to Burton Albion.
I can fully understand the frustrations that were clearly shown by you, our loyal supporters, on Saturday and l hope the players have taken it on board and ensure you don’t have to endure those frustrations again this season.
There is no doubt that it was an important match and one that we needed to win, but unfortunately it was not to be and a great deal has already been written and said by others on the manner of the defeat.
There is a lot more that l could say but l cannot see any benefit in referring to the negatives and prefer instead to put the defeat behind me and move on with a positive attitude to the future.

Dwelling on the past will not help any of us and it’s very important that everyone puts it behind them and goes out and puts it right. 
Fortunately, as bad as the defeat is to take, and as has been said elsewhere, it will not be the defining factor in our quest to retain Sky Bet Championship status this season.
There are still 23 games to play and l am sure that our players will bounce back and give it their all in the forthcoming games as they have done previously. 
As the manager said before the game, there are a number of players who are playing to keep their places in the squad with others wanting to be given the opportunity to come in and show what they can do before the transfer window happens.
We currently have 29 players eligible to play for the first team with four of our younger players in the process of being registered which will take the squad up to 33.
I know there are a number of players who are knocking on Phil’s door asking for a chance and l am sure the opportunity may come their way over the busy festive season. 

Over the last few weeks, our results have been mixed and l have to say that we have lost or drawn games where we should have taken all three points and this has to change. 
It is essential that the players step up to the challenges ahead, particularly over the festive period, to ensure that they, as well as the club, stay in the Championship. 
The time has come to take a long and hard look at where we are and to take the decisions that ensure we start climbing out of the relegation zone and up the league to safety. 
My sole aim since l have been involved with the club is to do what is best for the long term future of the club and l won’t hesitate in making difficult decisions if that is what’s required.
By that I mean backing the manager and bringing players in to strengthen the squad, as well as letting players go.
We cannot afford the luxury of carrying anyone who is not giving their all, week in, week out, on the pitch or training ground and knocking on the door to play.
Going through the motions of just turning up for a pay cheque is not acceptable and won’t be tolerated.
The players and the management team are all aware of this and it is now up to them to deliver and repay the support and faith you the supporters have shown in them particularly over the last five months.
There can be no more excuses - every single one of the squad has to go out there, whether it be on the training ground or on a matchday for every single game and give everything they have and a bit more.

They have to want it more than the opposition and ensure that we are a difficult team to beat, home or away, and make sure that we come away from each match with at least a share of the points. 
With that all said, there is an even bigger need now for the town to come along and get behind us and give us the best possible opportunity of staying up.
If I have said it once, l have said it a dozen times: the support and vociferous backing you give to the team does make a difference and last season was proof of this, if proof was ever needed, that you can lift and inspire the team to go out there and give their all and grind out the results we so dearly need now. 
l am doing everything possible to encourage the missing 8,000 or so fans who came along and got behind us last season to come back and do so again.
The festive season is a great opportunity to come along and support the team and for my part, l have offered free tickets for the Cardiff City game to everyone who has supported the Aladdin pantomime with a view to attracting young, new potential supporters of the future who may never have been to a game.
Many of you have already taken up this offer, but if you haven’t claimed your free ticket please do so. With a number of performances remaining this week, you can still buy your tickets by clicking [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].  Please visit the Ticket Office to redeem the offer.
We now have two massive home matches coming up against Cardiff City and Hull City -  and I am sure that you can imagine the lift this would give everyone if we could have a stadium of 20,000 as we did at the end of last season.

We really do need to make Macron Stadium an intimidating place to come for the opposition, with tickets for these games able to be bought online by clicking [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Half season tickets are still on sale and can be bought right up until kick off before the Hull City game on New Year’s Day. Being a season ticket holder represents the best value possible in terms of watching Bolton Wanderers at Macron Stadium.
A half season ticket will allow you to watch the last 11 home games from just £15.45 per match and you can purchase them via a monthly direct debit option which can be spread over four months. More information can be found [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
As a small Christmas gesture for supporting the club meanwhile, everyone who buys a half season ticket (including any of those that who already have purchased one) will also receive last season’s commemorative promotion book, on a first come basis and whilst stocks last.
This is an ideal stocking filler, not to forget a fantastic memory of the club’s achievement last season. Please visit Bolton Central to claim this offer. 

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564 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 12:57

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Another appeal to the "8000 or so missing fans", further indication that players will be sold in January and no indication that Anderson is going to invest a single penny in the club.
If Vela and others go, Parky will have to work miracles to end up with an improved squad when the window closes and seeing that he will be scraping the barrel and will have to wait until players leave before he can make an offer to potential replacements, I'm struggling to see how he'll manage it. 
I'm just wondering if Anderson will bite the bullet and sell up before it's too late.

565 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 13:24

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A lot of words as usual but a cop out from Ken blaming noone in particular, not even a go at Parky for his team selection like he did a few weeks ago.
The general blaming of the players and not getting 20,000 crowds is lining up for player sales as wanderlust says.

Ken makes me laugh when he says
"l won’t hesitate in making difficult decisions if that is what’s required."
The most painful decision for Ken would be spending a few million of his own money on a better manager or better players but we'll have a shock if he does something that difficult

566 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 13:28

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When he talked about having a long hard look at things it sounded like he was thinking of firing Parky but i just can't see it happening. Easier to blame the missing fans it seems.

Someone needs to tell him to stop going on about missing fans, it's not doing him any favours and looks like passing the buck to me.

567 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 13:37

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Norpig wrote:

Someone needs to tell him to stop going on about missing fans, it's not doing him any favours and looks like passing the buck to me.
It's an excuse for  not spending anything.Let's not forget, Ken conveniently got the transfer embargo lifted just after the summer transfer window closed, great timing for an owner who didn't want to spend anything.

568 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 14:46

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After the shite I watched on Saturday,I can understand why so many fans are 'missing'.

569 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 17:06

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Growler wrote:
Norpig wrote:

Someone needs to tell him to stop going on about missing fans, it's not doing him any favours and looks like passing the buck to me.
It's an excuse for  not spending anything.Let's not forget, Ken conveniently got the transfer embargo lifted just after the summer transfer window closed, great timing for an owner who didn't want to spend anything.
I've always felt Anderson has been less than honest with us. I thought he had said that all the legal wrangles were over, but he was in court again today [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
As I've said many times, I don't trust him as far as I can throw Blackpool Tower and he still hasn't done anything to make me change my mind. He's not fit to own a football club.

570 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Mon Dec 18 2017, 17:11

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I'm just reading up on our next opponents Cardiff City.Their Chairman has stated there will be funds available for Neil Warnock in the January transfer window, no such positivity from Ken for the Bolton fans!

And a thought, if we used to get 20,000 in the 3rd Div last season as Ken keeps mentioning, and we havent spent 1p on transfer fees can we not spend last season's gate money?

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