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121 Re: Trump v May on Tue May 30 2017, 22:36

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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gloswhite wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I was listening to a very astute young British Muslim on the radio yesterday who said that the primary and possibly only cause of radicalisation in the UK was British foreign policy and especially the invasions of Iraq and Afghanisatan and our role in Syria. I believe him.

If that was true why has France suffered more than us from Muslim terrorists, and why the Madrid train bombing?

Dunno. If he'd been with me instead of being on the radio I'd have asked him.
I heard a comment that most experts (whoever they are), subscribe to the view that our foreign policy has not helped us, but it isn't the absolute cause of the attacks.

That seems an accurate assessment to me.

122 Re: Trump v May on Wed May 31 2017, 13:55

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Trump's pulling the US out of the Paris Climate Accord.

Bad news for the environment then.

And in other news, US Secretary of State Rex Tilerson met with Saudi officials last week as part of the US diplomatic mission.

And in other, completely unrelated (honest!) news, as Tillerson was glad handing the Saudis in one room, his old company ExxonMobil did this in another one: 

https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/05/30/rex-tillerson-exxon-saudi-arabia-trump-visit-deal

These bastards make Bush Jr and his mates at Halliburton look like innocent children in comparison...

123 Re: Trump v May on Wed May 31 2017, 14:07

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I honestly believe he(Trump) needs therapy.

He shows every sign of being disturbed. Really.

124 Re: Trump v May on Wed May 31 2017, 14:14

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
He needs summat......

125 Re: Trump v May on Wed May 31 2017, 14:15

rammywhite

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El Hadji Diouf
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Bread2.0 wrote:He needs summat......

Impeaching...

126 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 01 2017, 16:44

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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I'm assuming that we're all now familiar with "covfefe".

And here is the proof that Spicer is readily prepared to trot out any old bullshit if his boss tells him to....



127 Re: Trump v May on Fri Jun 02 2017, 15:50

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

128 Re: Trump v May on Fri Jun 02 2017, 21:23

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I cannot believe how he's managed to lose the office of President so much prestige and influence in such a short time.

129 Re: Trump v May on Fri Jun 02 2017, 21:55

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T bf he was a comedic figure before he was elected so it's not as if anything has changed

130 Re: Trump v May on Fri Jun 02 2017, 22:24

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
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I was hoping that once he'd taken office, there would be checks and balances, and he would at least accept the role of leading the West, Democracy, etc. in a sensible manner.  Instead, He's taken a very parochial view and in doing so, has damaged the American cause at many levels, never mind the effects his decision will have on so many others.

131 Re: Trump v May on Sun Jun 04 2017, 15:39

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

132 Re: Trump v May on Sun Jun 04 2017, 19:48

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I wouldn't go that far  Very Happy

133 Re: Trump v May on Sun Jun 04 2017, 20:00

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
gloswhite wrote:I wouldn't go that far  Very Happy
Fair enough Glos. Very Happy

134 Re: Trump v May on Sun Jun 04 2017, 21:57

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
TAlking of trumping in public...

He now apparently accepts that humans play some part in climate change....... but still wants to pull out of the agreement.

Two faces.

135 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:16

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Trump blames Iran for sponsoring Isis. Isis attack Iran. How much more proof is needed that the us (and U.K.) either have no clue whatsoever what the issues are - or are deliberately misleading the general public?

136 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:26

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They've got misleading the public down to a fine art. And a very dark art it is.

137 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:37

Sluffy

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wanderlust wrote:Trump blames Iran for sponsoring Isis. Isis attack Iran. How much more proof is needed that the us (and U.K.) either have no clue whatsoever what the issues are - or are deliberately misleading the general public?

You sure you don't mean Qatar?

Qatar row: Trump claims credit for isolation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40175935


Iran has had its 'forces' IN Syria (and Iraq) fighting IS for nearly two years now.

Iran quietly deepens involvement in Syria's war

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34572756



Last edited by Sluffy on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:53; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Meant to say Iraq and Syria.)

138 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:42

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
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No.

When he was bowing and scraping to the Saudis he categorically stated that Iran was the big threat.

There was no mention of Qatar until well after he got home. And even then, he didn't come out and say it himself, he just backed the Saudis when they did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-targets-iran-in-terrorism-speech/2017/05/21/9176b21e-3e37-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_video.html

139 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 16:58

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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The Americans seem unable to distinguish between the two main strands of Islamic belief so it is no surprise that an idiot like Trump is confused.

140 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 17:12

Sluffy

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Bread2.0 wrote:No.

When he was bowing and scraping to the Saudis he categorically stated that Iran was the big threat.

There was no mention of Qatar until well after he got home. And even then, he didn't come out and say it himself, he just backed the Saudis when they did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/trump-targets-iran-in-terrorism-speech/2017/05/21/9176b21e-3e37-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_video.html

Yes he did but not in the way Lusty has stated above.

Iran is the leading Shia state and is in Syria helping to prop up the Assad regime and in Iraq fighting IS (who are Wahhabi Sunni Muslim's)

Iran also have been involved with pushing the Shia cause in both Lebanon and the Yemen.

Trump's speech was about Iran 'unsettling' these country's - and thus 'pushing' Shia influence.  He was not (and as far as I'm aware(?)) stating or even suggesting that Iran was funding IS - as stated above by Wanderlust - hence my query?

Saudi Arabia is the leading Sunni state and the country that Wahhabism sprung from.

Fingers have been pointed for sometime that Saudi Arabia and other Sunni country's (in particular Qatar) have been involved in the funding of IS.

Qatar has been prominently in the news the last week or so because other country's such as Saudi and UAE have enacted sanctions against them for continuing to sponsor 'extremists'.


Unless I've missed something in the last day or so I believe that Wanderlust has got his wires crossed.

...or made up some fake news himself perhaps!?!

141 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 22:07

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Check out trumps circular argument.
USA in a deal with Saudi for oil so when trump concludes the biggest arms deal in history with Saudi they turn on Qatar for keeping a dialogue open with Iran who are at war with Isis. Bottom line: USA funds Saudi terrorism and U.K. Falls in line.

It's all about economics,power and keeping ordinary people in the west down and in fear and without the Cold War and socialism they have to find a different bogeyman.

That's my current conspiracy theory. The west has provided a different narrative to the Shia Sunni war to justify our own economic war.

Blame the CIA not the muslims. It's all about the money honey.

142 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 22:42

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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Not a big fan of conspiracy theories WL.

I would also appreciate you expanding on your statement "The west has provided a different narrative to the Shia Sunni war to justify our own economic war." Shia and Sunni muslims have been killing each other in the name of religion for over a thousand years. They don't seem to need any help from the CIA.

143 Re: Trump v May on Wed Jun 07 2017, 22:50

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wanderlust wrote:Check out trumps circular argument.
USA in a deal with Saudi for oil so when trump concludes the biggest arms deal in history with Saudi they turn on Qatar for keeping a dialogue open with Iran who are at war with Isis. Bottom line: USA funds terrorism and U.K. Falls in line.

It's all about economics,power and keeping ordinary people down and in fear and without the Cold War they have to find a different bogeyman.

That's my current conspiracy theory.

You really are away with the fairy's mate if you believe that.

This is what you said originally -


wanderlust wrote:Trump blames Iran for sponsoring Isis. Isis attack Iran. How much more proof is needed that the us (and U.K.) either have no clue whatsoever what the issues are - or are deliberately misleading the general public?

Iran DOESN'T sponsor IS

Islamic State is Sunni Muslim and don't even believe the Shia Muslim's are true believers - that is why they bomb their mosques.

Iran is the Shia power house.

They are completely at the opposite ends of the scale to each other.

It's absolutely inconceivable that Iran would sponsor IS in any way.


I suggest this link from the BBC will better inform you as to what is happening, which seems to be a bit of a local power struggle between Qatar and Saudi that as been going on years more than anything else.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40173757

As for your '"proof" that the US and UK have no idea what is going on or are deliberately misleading the public - well that's simply complete bollocks.  In fact it is far more likely that Saudi sponsors IS, than anything else - I'm sure there wouldn't be too many tears shed by them that IS made its first terrorist attack on Iran today.

144 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 15:45

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Anyone watching the Comey testimony? Interesting stuff.

145 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 15:45

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm still scrubbing.

146 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 15:48

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Natasha Whittam wrote:I'm still scrubbing.
I feel your pain. Razz

147 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 16:33

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Comey's doing a sterling job here.

Called Trump a flat-out liar, stated categorically that Russia interfered with the election, fingered Sessions and called his integrity into doubt and very deftly inferred that the Pee Pee tape not only exists but is genuine.

This is the beginning of the end and I can't wait 'til Bannon gives Trump his phone back and he starts tweeting like a maniac.

Sen Angus King's turn to interview Comey now.

"So Jim, Russia and stuff....what's the scores on the doors?"



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148 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 16:41

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
He's now being questioned by Bruce Forsyth!

149 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 16:42

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Beat me to it, ya bastard!

150 Re: Trump v May on Thu Jun 08 2017, 16:43

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Nat Lofthouse
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