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31 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 11:38

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
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Its quite amusing watching all the Labourites running around making out they've won something. In truth, Corbyn did do well, but there again, when you have nobody able to put two sentences together in the opposition, he'd really have to try hard not to improve his lot.
However, in the big picture, he's not achieved that much. His basic ploy was to promise everyone everything. This tactic has no future, and all the ones hoping for an easier life, will soon desert him, especially when his cabinet, still consisting of dead-enders, won't be able to put forward a coherent argument for anything, if called on to govern. If he's really that good, how come he didn't win ?
Finally, lets not forget that, at the end of the day, we still have a massive National Debt hanging over us. So if everyone is getting what they want, it will be at the cost of putting future generations further into hock. Short sighted and selfish people, living for today, will only stretch out the pain, especially for those poor souls who are already suffering.

32 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 11:44

gloswhite

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Bollotom2014 wrote:
Looks like there's only Nat and I Tories so I'll let you all carry on having a wankfest over Corbyn. The pillock doesn't even play golf.
Bollotom, Nat isn't a Tory ! 

She admitted to voting for Labour. So all the arguments she was putting out was nothing but empty rhetoric.

33 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 13:40

Norpig

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Corbyn and Labour didn't win the election, no one expected they would do if they are honest. What he has achieved though is engaging the young voters to get involved and with the majority down and a minority Government in place, they can at least put up more of a fight to things like the privitisation of the NHS and more austerity cuts.

34 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 19:33

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Glos: May, her cronies and the Tory tabloids indulged in nasty sneering, and relentless personal abuse aimed at Corbyn and others in the Labour Party. Very little about policies passed their lips. Instead we were treated to irritating, meaningless repetitive soundbites. It was a campaign featuring an ugly hubris.
The Tories in office have been obsessed with austerity and heartless policies, offering fear.

Notice that the opposition did not stoop to the same shameful level. Instead they produced an appealing, costed a manifesto full of hope and promise for almost everyone, especially the young.
Hardly surprising that they regained much lost ground from a very low base. The latest opinion poll puts Labour ahead. 

Don't make the same misjudgements as Theresa who will have to be made to abandon her controlling tendencies and become more collegial....and avoid personal abuse as a strategy which the public will no longer tolerate. Attempts to woo the DUP, and her choices for the new cabinet show she is still sadly misguided. 
Supporting the Tories' current crop of policies as typified by the call to bring back fox hunting does not reflect well on individuals.

35 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 19:51

Natasha Whittam

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okocha wrote:Supporting the Tories' current crop of policies as typified by the call to bring back fox hunting does not reflect well on individuals.

You used to be an interesting poster, unfortunately you've turned into a condescending prick who thinks he's better than everyone else.

Wanderlust already fills that roll on here.

It's easy to be the opposition, you can spout any old shite, especially when you know you've no chance of winning.

36 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 21:28

wanderlust

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gloswhite wrote:Finally, lets not forget that, at the end of the day, we still have a massive National Debt hanging over us. So if everyone is getting what they want, it will be at the cost of putting future generations further into hock. Short sighted and selfish people, living for today, will only stretch out the pain, especially for those poor souls who are already suffering.
National Debt doubled by the tories and Tory proposals less viable than labours. It's the tories who borrow money to keep their promises and it's the tories who have spectacularly f***** up the economy. why do you think that young people have stepped up to try to prevent further Tory stupidity?

Labour aren't great but my god the tories are the most incompetent government we've had. Useless.arrogant. Stupid.

Stop speculating about labour and look at the facts of this Tory governments piss poor performance. They really are bad.

37 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 22:17

Soul Kitchen

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Am I to assume that the strong and stable motto is now dead? I've not heard it used since last Wednesday.
I'll bet 1874 has had a few spurts over the knuckles since Thursday's vote?

38 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Mon Jun 12 2017, 22:50

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Nat, you said you totally disapproved of fox hunting and were going to vote Labour, so I don't understand your sudden rant against what I wrote. Have you copied May and done a u-turn?

 But your personal abuse is the perfect example of the sort of objectionable, nasty unprovoked attack that I mentioned as typical of those who are Tory at heart. I'm presuming you get your charming inspiration from The Sun, Mail or Express.

However if you want to rile me into being a "condescending prick", then try this for size:- learn the difference between "roll" and "role". Smile
Sleep well. xx

39 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 07:20

karlypants

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Very Happy

40 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 08:03

Natasha Whittam

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okocha wrote:Nat, you said you totally disapproved of fox hunting and were going to vote Labour, so I don't understand your sudden rant against what I wrote. Have you copied May and done a u-turn?

 But your personal abuse is the perfect example of the sort of objectionable, nasty unprovoked attack that I mentioned as typical of those who are Tory at heart. I'm presuming you get your charming inspiration from The Sun, Mail or Express.

However if you want to rile me into being a "condescending prick", then try this for size:- learn the difference between "roll" and "role". Smile
Sleep well. xx

I didn't vote Tory because of the fox hunting, but if they hadn't made that mistake I would have put a cross next to the Tory candidate.

Last time we had a Labour government the world fell to its knees on the economic front, and went to war. Amazing how so many of you forget that fact. War. Lives lost. Remember?

But each to their own, what I'm getting tired of is twats on here thinking they are superior because they voted Labour, it's the same folk who were bitter about Brexit.

I don't doubt that the smug opinions on here have contributed greatly to the exodus of posters, so for the sake of the site shut the fuck up.

41 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 08:50

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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1. I didn't vote Labour
2. I abstained over Brexit
3. Thee is very deliberately no note of smugness in my original post.
4. All parties agreed with Labour's proposal to join the USA and other countries in going to war 
5. Remember the Falklands?
6. Under the Tories the national debt has more than doubled
7. Tory callousness, cuts to vital services and austerity policies should make them insupportable
8. Your vile language and nasty confrontational style is the more likely cause of any exodus. It's just as well that you can also be witty, interesting, entertaining and amusing.  The site is surely for varying opinions and debate.....but in a civilised manner. 
Welcome all posters rather than abuse them just because you disagree  xx

42 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 10:53

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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okocha wrote:5. Remember the Falklands?

Are you really trying to compare the Falklands War with US/UK invasion of Iraq?

If you really think those two are similar you are dumber than I thought.

If someone invades our territory I expect the government to fight back. What I don't want is us getting in wars over oil that have nothing to do with us.

43 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 17:32

Fabians Right Peg

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Tony Kelly
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Soul Kitchen wrote:Am I to assume that the strong and stable motto is now dead?

Nope, Corbyn today offered to form a strong and stable alternative to the Tories coalition of chaos if they can not pass a queens speach.  I think someone has got him a book on how to be an effective leader of the opposition.

44 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 20:25

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Tony Kelly
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Fabians Right Peg wrote:
Soul Kitchen wrote:Am I to assume that the strong and stable motto is now dead?

Nope, Corbyn today offered to form a strong and stable alternative to the Tories coalition of chaos if they can not pass a queens speach.  I think someone has got him a book on how to be an effective leader of the opposition.

Didn't know the "Dummies" series had produced that one.  Cool

45 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 20:52

gloswhite

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All said and done, Labour have still come out with nothing, other than an enhancement of their position. Unless they are invited into the Brexit negotiating, (which I hope the more intelligent ones are), then they still don't have a say in anything.
I personally would like to see an end to all the political snide comments, (as shown by  Corbyn in the Commons today), and would like them to actually think of the country and not their parties. The only good thing to come out of the election is the need for a slightly softer Brexit, to be engineered by a broader set of negotiators, (hopefully).
I'm a little concerned that the remainers will try to change the resulting agreement in such a way that we are giving up too much. An example of this is Ruth Davidson who performed well but is now calling for a soft Brexit, (she was a very strong remainer).

46 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:23

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Snide comments by labour? Conservatives spent 1.2 million.....yes MILLION on snide comments against JUST corbyn.

http://Www.thefacefittester.co.uk

47 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:28

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gloswhite wrote:All said and done, Labour have still come out with nothing, other than an enhancement of their position. Unless they are invited into the Brexit negotiating, (which I hope the more intelligent ones are), then they still don't have a say in anything.
I personally would like to see an end to all the political snide comments, (as shown by  Corbyn in the Commons today), and would like them to actually think of the country and not their parties. The only good thing to come out of the election is the need for a slightly softer Brexit, to be engineered by a broader set of negotiators, (hopefully).
I'm a little concerned that the remainers will try to change the resulting agreement in such a way that we are giving up too much. An example of this is Ruth Davidson who performed well but is now calling for a soft Brexit, (she was a very strong 
Sorry mate but you can't just "glos" over the fact that the tories have destroyed our economy and are taking us even further down the road to ruin as today's news about euro clearing house exemplifies. This incompetent rabble will turn a once proud nation into a third world country in no time.
They've already reduced our economy so much so the French have finally overtaken us after centuries of trying, devalued the pound by 20% and reintroduced inflation above wages in just a few years of gross mismanagement. 
For Britains sake they have to be stopped.

48 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:44

Natasha Whittam

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wanderlust wrote:
Sorry mate but you can't just "glos" over the fact that the tories have destroyed our economy and are taking us even further down the road to ruin as today's news about euro clearing house exemplifies. This incompetent rabble will turn a once proud nation into a third world country in no time.
They've already reduced our economy so much so the French have finally overtaken us after centuries of trying, devalued the pound by 20% and reintroduced inflation above wages in just a few years of gross mismanagement. 
For Britains sake they have to be stopped.

You really are a boring gobshite. I've stopped reading your shite as I know what it's going to say.


49 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:47

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
Sorry mate but you can't just "glos" over the fact that the tories have destroyed our economy and are taking us even further down the road to ruin as today's news about euro clearing house exemplifies. This incompetent rabble will turn a once proud nation into a third world country in no time.
They've already reduced our economy so much so the French have finally overtaken us after centuries of trying, devalued the pound by 20% and reintroduced inflation above wages in just a few years of gross mismanagement. 
For Britains sake they have to be stopped.

You really are a boring gobshite. I've stopped reading your shite as I know what it's going to say.


WTF is wrong with you at the moment?

Is it that time of the month???

50 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:52

y2johnny

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Menopause

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51 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 21:52

y2johnny

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Or should that be the men are on pause from  seeing her til her clap clears up

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52 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Tue Jun 13 2017, 22:30

Sluffy

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karlypants wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
Sorry mate but you can't just "glos" over the fact that the tories have destroyed our economy and are taking us even further down the road to ruin as today's news about euro clearing house exemplifies. This incompetent rabble will turn a once proud nation into a third world country in no time.
They've already reduced our economy so much so the French have finally overtaken us after centuries of trying, devalued the pound by 20% and reintroduced inflation above wages in just a few years of gross mismanagement. 
For Britains sake they have to be stopped.

You really are a boring gobshite. I've stopped reading your shite as I know what it's going to say.


WTF is wrong with you at the moment?

Is it that time of the month???

To be honest I feel the same way as Natasha.

I've not been sure for a long time if Lusty really believes what he posts or is simply wumming all the time.

For example in his rant above, the reason for the proposed move of the Euro Clearing House from London is because we will no longer be part of the EU following Brexit.  Similarly the UK economy slumped following the Brexit result meaning that the French economy overtook us.  Also because of Brexit the pound dropped in value against other country's and imports become more expensive thus the rise in inflation.

In fact non of his rant has anything to do with the Conservative Government and all to do with the British electorates wish for Brexit.  Even a Labour Government would have led to exactly what has happened - its a direct consequence of Brexit and nothing at all to do with party politics.

As Lusty is an intelligent man he must know all this - yet he continues to post utter crap like this on a regular basis.  I therefore can only conclude he does it on purpose and seeking a reaction, which of course is blatant wumming.

Either that or his anger at things not going the way he wants in politics has blinded him to basic common sense.

53 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 08:36

Norpig

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Which party put in place a referendum on Brexit just to appease their own party and thought they would get a remain vote? - The Tories

Which party called a general election 3 years early as again they were so confident of getting a bigger majority to push through a hard Brexit? - The Tories

Mismanagement on a massive scale and these people are meant to decide our fate with Brexit? They couldn't run a bath nevermind a strong and stable Government.

54 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 08:39

Natasha Whittam

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Norpig wrote:Which party put in place a referendum on Brexit just to appease their own party and thought they would get a remain vote? - The Tories


What a stupid argument. The people of the UK voted to leave, that's got nothing to do with the Tory party.

They gave the people a free vote which is what democracy is all about.

If you want the government to decide everything I suggest you move to North Korea.

55 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 08:40

Natasha Whittam

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Norpig wrote:Mismanagement on a massive scale and these people are meant to decide our fate with Brexit? They couldn't run a bath nevermind a strong and stable Government.

And yet they still got more votes than the Labour party. Doesn't that tell you something.

56 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 09:54

gloswhite

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I don't believe I'm glossing over anything. We can look further back for the root cause of many of our problems, if you like. For example, was it not the Labour government who took away all the checks and controls for managing the money markets, who subsequently, with the aid of American greed, ruined everything for everyone. Was it not the Labour party that threw open the doors for unchecked immigration, whilst denying it all the time, and stifling discussion of the problems arising by labelling such talk as racist? Was it not Labour who almost bankrupted the country, and thought it amusing to leave a note stating there's 'nothing left' ? (A situation we still have problems recovering from).
I agree that austerity has gone on for too long, and there should have been an easing some time ago, but I think everything should be carefully balanced in the upcoming changes. The burning question is what to invest in first.

57 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 09:57

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It was also labour who were the only ones to cost everything in their manifesto..........not wait until the election was won and then hit everybody.

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58 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 09:59

Natasha Whittam

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y2johnny wrote:It was also labour who were the only ones to cost everything in their manifesto..........not wait until the election was won and then hit everybody.

How do you know the costings were right? Didn't independent economists say both Tory and Labour costings were unworkable?

59 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 09:59

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I didn't vote in the recent election, the reason being, I moved house, and even though I registered with the council to pay my rates, I didn't receive any polling cards because I wasn't on the electoral role at my new address.

In a way, I'm quite glad, because I had  serious  doubts about both May and Corbyn. On the one hand, I have never liked May. It stems back to the days when she was Home Secretary and rubber stamped the culling of Police numbers on an unprecedented scale. One of her biggest failings in my opinion was that she was constantly being accused of not listening to the grave concerns of those whose jobs she planned on culling. In the run up to Brexit, unlike Cameron, Gove, Osborne and Johnson, she was never seen pushing the pro Euro campaign. She sat on the fence and kept her powder dry. Then when the result came out, she benefited from the chaos and in-fighting between Boris and Gove and wheedled her way into the top job on the basis that she was a ' safe pair of hands'. 

Corbyn comes across as a decent chap with principles. He is clearly a pacifist. Nothing wrong with that but some of his ideas and views don't sit well with everyone. Supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA didn't endear him to me and I think Dianne Abbott would have made the most unsuitable Home Secretary in political history. She was and is incompetent to hold down a top cabinet post. She always comes across as patronising whenever she is interviewed and she isn't very good at getting her sums right. Strangely enough, she took sick leave the day before the election. ( Diabetes? ) All very puzzling if you ask me.

So, in a nutshell, it was a case of Hobsons Choice for me.

60 Re: Has CORBYN peaked? on Wed Jun 14 2017, 10:01

gloswhite

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However, their costing has been challenged, and proven, by some (allegedly, that the figures were at least 6 billion short, were they not ?
As an aside, it would be nice to see the country being brought back to a position they were in 7, 8 or more years ago, but who will be paying for this largesse ? We will. So its give with one hand, and take with another.l

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