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211 Re: Brexit negotiations on Tue Oct 17 2017, 18:39

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Brexit fans don't listen to experts. They prefer to listen to liars like Boris and the Daily Mail.

212 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 12:05

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
xmiles wrote:Brexit fans don't listen to experts. They prefer to listen to liars like Boris and the Daily Mail.
To quote someone else...

"Arguing with Brexiteers is like playing chess with a pigeon. Doesn't matter how good you are, the pigeon will still shit on the board and strut around like it's won anyway."

213 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 12:59

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Fabulous quote from Theresa May in today's PMQ's when commenting on the possibility of leaving the EU without a deal:

Theresa May says she won't "accept a deal at any price no matter the damage to the taxpayer".

214 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 13:36

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I didn't hear that

215 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 13:39

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
gloswhite wrote:I didn't hear that
Found a record of it on the Beeb...


[size=20]May: We won't accept a Brexit deal at any price

Prime minister's questions[/size]


House of Commons
Parliament

[size=16]Conservative Philip Davies refers to Labour and the SNP's condemnation of countenancing leaving the EU without a deal, saying: "Nobody with an ounce of common sense would announce that in advance - it's not a negotiation it's a capitulation".
Theresa May says she won't "accept a deal at any price no matter the damage to the taxpayer".
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216 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 13:58

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
wanderlust wrote:
gloswhite wrote:I didn't hear that
Found a record of it on the Beeb...



[size=20]May: We won't accept a Brexit deal at any price[/size]



Prime minister's questions



House of Commons
Parliament

[size=16]Conservative Philip Davies refers to Labour and the SNP's condemnation of countenancing leaving the EU without a deal, saying: "Nobody with an ounce of common sense would announce that in advance - it's not a negotiation it's a capitulation".
Theresa May says she won't "accept a deal at any price no matter the damage to the taxpayer".
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Fair enough. I'm sure she must have got that wrong, or at least the context in which it was said.. Scary if she didn't.

217 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 16:25

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
wanderlust wrote:
xmiles wrote:Brexit fans don't listen to experts. They prefer to listen to liars like Boris and the Daily Mail.
To quote someone else...

"Arguing with Brexiteers is like playing chess with a pigeon. Doesn't matter how good you are, the pigeon will still shit on the board and strut around like it's won anyway."

Laughing

218 Re: Brexit negotiations on Wed Oct 18 2017, 16:28

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
gloswhite wrote:
wanderlust wrote:
gloswhite wrote:I didn't hear that
Found a record of it on the Beeb...



[size=20]May: We won't accept a Brexit deal at any price[/size]




Prime minister's questions



House of Commons
Parliament

[size=16]Conservative Philip Davies refers to Labour and the SNP's condemnation of countenancing leaving the EU without a deal, saying: "Nobody with an ounce of common sense would announce that in advance - it's not a negotiation it's a capitulation".
Theresa May says she won't "accept a deal at any price no matter the damage to the taxpayer".
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Fair enough. I'm sure she must have got that wrong, or at least the context in which it was said.. Scary if she didn't.

Yes, definitely scary.

219 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 12:18

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Another cracker from Mayday - this time it's a concession which won't please the Brextremists:

Theresa May has vowed to make it as easy as possible for EU citizens to remain in the UK after Brexit ahead of a key summit of European leaders.

In a Facebook post, the prime minister insisted the application process for settled status would be "streamlined" and the cost "as low as possible".

220 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 12:20

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
But...but....they're sending all the Poles home, aren't they?

That nice Mr Farage implied so......

And my brother in law voted accordingly on the strength of it.

Mr Farage can't have lied, surely.....?

221 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 12:24

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bread2.0 wrote:But...but....they're sending all the Poles home, aren't they?

That nice Mr Farage implied so......

And my brother in law voted accordingly on the strength of it.

Mr Farage can't have lied, surely.....?
May went on to say:

When we started this process, some accused us of treating EU nationals as bargaining chips. Nothing could have been further from the truth. EU citizens who have made their lives in the UK have made a huge contribution to our country. And we want them and their families to stay. I couldn’t be clearer: EU citizens living lawfully in the UK today will be able to stay.

222 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 13:03

Norpig

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John McGinlay
John McGinlay
This country would collapse if all the Polish workers go home

223 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 14:17

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Who would Polish my car at the car wash ?  Very Happy

224 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:15

Cajunboy

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Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Some student, instead of lying in bed all day.

225 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:22

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
In that case, keep the Polish polishers, They're much better  Very Happy

226 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:28

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
How does it affect French polishers?

227 Re: Brexit negotiations on Thu Oct 19 2017, 16:38

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Good question  Very Happy

228 Re: Brexit negotiations on Fri Oct 20 2017, 20:55

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
This received nary a mention in the British press (as per strict instructions from the people who own most of our papers no doubt):

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/world/europe/russia-brexit-arron-banks.html

229 Re: Brexit negotiations on Fri Oct 20 2017, 23:49

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
All part of the double standards brexit fans love.

They are on record as saying a close vote to remain would not have been the end of it Tory MP James Gray considered anything less than a 60/40 split not good enough. Yet now we have a 52/48 split for brexit it is "undemocratic" to suggest this is not enough and cannot be reconsidered.

230 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 12:48

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker

231 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 13:05

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Hmm.
I feel like I'm sitting at the bar,on the Titanic.
"Would you like ice with that sir?"

232 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 14:15

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
May begs for help pretty much sums up her negotiating position:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41720244

233 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 15:49

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Not surprising though. Since Thatcher, most large scale manufacturing in Britain is either owned by foreign companies or dependent on imports for materials to make stuff with - or both - so you can't blame them for sitting back to see what happens.

234 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 16:01

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Nope, you can't.

And that's precisely why this was eminently predictable.

But hey, you know......Project Fear and all that.

235 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 17:20

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Read a new one today, "Remainiacs". 

I wondered if they had been reading this forum  Very Happy

236 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 17:55

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Even one of the so-called "masterminds" of this mess is now openly admitting it's a fucking disaster:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peering-over-the-cliff-edge-why-dominic-cummings-fears-brexit-will-fail

237 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Oct 23 2017, 18:46

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Bread2.0 wrote:Even one of the so-called "masterminds" of this mess is now openly admitting it's a fucking disaster:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/peering-over-the-cliff-edge-why-dominic-cummings-fears-brexit-will-fail

Shocked

238 Re: Brexit negotiations on Tue Oct 24 2017, 10:03

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I think this whole Brexit show is going in the direction most people thought it would, although I have to say, somewhat slower than expected. Bit by bit Merkel and Macron are having to give way to the remaining members, who are more concerned with outcomes rather than politics.

239 Re: Brexit negotiations on Tue Oct 24 2017, 11:16

Bread2.0

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Why is any of that surprising though?

The whole myth that it would be a fair fight is just nonsense: It's 27 Vs 1 in their favour.

And let's not forget, the other 27 didn't instigate this, the 1 did.

So why should they do us any favours?

At the time of the referendum, the leave campaign was strutting round telling anyone who would listen that it'd be a simple process, wherein we'd simply tell Johnny Foreigner that we were taking our ball home and that'd be it - Trigger Article 50 and walk away.

But it was patently obvious that it would never be that simple.

And now that it's all turning to rat shit very quickly, the narrative's changed to it all being about the EU "running scared" and trying to scupper the talks.

Bollocks!

That's not how it works. It's not in the EU's interest to facilitate a smooth exit for the UK (even if it could, which it can't), so why should we expect them to hamstring themselves for the UK's benefit?

And again, all this was obvious to anyone with even the remotest interest in how EU politics works before the referendum but it was glibly dismissed as being part of Project Fear.

240 Re: Brexit negotiations on Tue Oct 24 2017, 11:56

gloswhite

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Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Breaders, agree with all your points, but even though they didn't instigate it, its too big an issue to ignore, for them as well as us. In order to teach us a lesson, which they stated from the beginning, they said it would be difficult. However, they are now in the situation where they have played politics for maybe a little too long, and with the UK waving the 'No Deal' ticket at them, (whether it was serious or not), other countries are now aware of how a bad outcome won't just seriously affect us, but them too. 
The time has now arrived where both sides have to have a serious look at what is feasible. Of course, the government have cocked things up by allowing the divisions in the party to seriously hamper any progress, but having said that, the Brexit camp needs people like Boris, just to ensure we don't end up with a watered-down Cameron-style result, which would put is in the situation where we pay, but no longer have any weight within the EU. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be deeply frustrated, and embarrassed, at such a climb down. The situation may appear in disarray now, but it will be sorted, and one thing we can't afford, is to be is a second rate power in the organisation.

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