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931 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 17:48

luckyPeterpiper

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Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I'm much less sanguine than you are about Germany's influence especially over Poland. Don't forget, the individual national governments have to ratify whatever agreements are reached and I can't see the German government being stupid enough to do anything that could be seen as interfering in Poland's internal affairs. And any Polish government that's seen to be toeing a German line would be instantly villified by the Polish people. Ultimately it's going to be the domestic opinions of the member states' populace that will decide how each state votes and no matter what Germany and France might want there are plenty of Europeans who distrust Berlin almost as much as they dislike us.

932 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 20:19

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
The one thing you can guarantee is that the brexit fans on this site won't have anything constructive to say. They will remain completely impervious to facts and continue to dream their little Britain dreams.

933 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 20:28

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:The one thing you can guarantee is that the brexit fans on this site won't have anything constructive to say. They will remain completely impervious to facts and continue to dream their little Britain dreams.

::FU::

934 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 20:30

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@karlypants wrote:
@xmiles wrote:The one thing you can guarantee is that the brexit fans on this site won't have anything constructive to say. They will remain completely impervious to facts and continue to dream their little Britain dreams.

::FU::

I rest my case.

935 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 20:47

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:The one thing you can guarantee is that the brexit fans on this site won't have anything constructive to say. They will remain completely impervious to facts and continue to dream their little Britain dreams.

You've made your mind up. What's the point in arguing with you?

936 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 21:17

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:The one thing you can guarantee is that the brexit fans on this site won't have anything constructive to say. They will remain completely impervious to facts and continue to dream their little Britain dreams.

You've made your mind up. What's the point in arguing with you?


OK but I would actually like to see someone make a case for brexit that was based on evidence as opposed to wild fantasies about trade opportunites post brexit or racist opinions (which I don't accuse you of having).

937 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 02 2018, 22:53

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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938 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 03 2018, 13:18

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's hardly a surprise the reaction is it? Our politicians still think we can have our cake and eat it which is completely arrogant and stupid.

939 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 03 2018, 14:04

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Johnson had a go from the sidelines again but Operation Ostrich has slapped him down again here. Not surprising as he offers no practical solutions whatsoever. Maybe he's finally realised what a dumbass idea Brexit is and has settled for sniping at the idiots he used to support before the reality of the situation started to set in? He can afford to as the rich won't get as mangled by leaving the EU.

940 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 11:52

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Boris again. 

The deeper we get into this mess, the more Boris is realising what he's done. Why he sees it as an opportunity to grab the Tory leadership is beyond me though. After all he was instrumental in causing the problem in the first place.

941 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 12:23

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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Because although there’s been a reported swing in leave to remain (according to one poll), the right of the Tory party are still behind the hardest Brexit possible and if that’s not delivered are ready to blame May when it inevitably goes wrong.

942 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 12:52

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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With a bit of luck Boris will cause the Tory party to implode. Most MPs (who decide the two candidates in any leadership campaign can't stand Boris because they know he is a mini-Trump with zero principles) but of course he is tremendously popular with the geriatic racists who constitute most of the actual membership of the Tory party and who get to vote in the leadership run off. They won't be pleased if Boris isn't one of the two candidates.

If I had to guess I would expect the two candidates to be Hunt and Javid, in which case I don't fancy Javid's chances.

943 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 15:05

Cajunboy

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Andy Walker
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@wanderlust wrote:Boris again. 

The deeper we get into this mess, the more Boris is realising what he's done. Why he sees it as an opportunity to grab the Tory leadership is beyond me though. After all he was instrumental in causing the problem in the first place.
I thought that was Cameron.

944 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 15:34

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Cajunboy wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:Boris again. 

The deeper we get into this mess, the more Boris is realising what he's done. Why he sees it as an opportunity to grab the Tory leadership is beyond me though. After all he was instrumental in causing the problem in the first place.
I thought that was Cameron.
It was Cameron who invited the loonies to take over the asylum but there was a bunch of them who ran with it to further their own political careers and curry favour with the big international corporations that will benefit the most via Vote Leave founder Peter Cruddas, his billionaire cronies and a group of major Conservative party funders with international interests.
And what's happened to the public voices of the Leave campaign now that reality is setting in?
Michael Gove - made a bid for the Tory leadership, failed and has now modified his rhetoric whilst he sees which way the cookie will crumble.
Boris - after being stabbed in the back by Gove, was briefly a minister  and now doesn't like what is happening so is sniping from the sidelines.
Douglas Carswell - the only UKIP MP who has since lost his seat.
Gisela Stuart - born and raised in Germany, she stepped down as an MP at the 2017 election but still supports Leave.
Nigel Farage - anybody know what happened to him?
Former Vote Leave Chairman Nigel Lawson - applied for French citizenship. 'Nuff said.
Champions of Brexit - the Conservative Party. Called a snap election to win the extra seats they needed to railroad Plan A through but ended up losing 13 seats much to their surprise.
Most of all the British electorate - 2.6 million Leave voters have abandoned their support for Brexit since the referendum and over 100 former Leave constituencies have switched to supporting Remain. Although those independent surveys will no doubt be branded as fake news because nobody wants to hear it.

945 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 16:18

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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@xmiles wrote: Most MPs (who decide the two candidates in any leadership campaign can't stand Boris because they know he is a mini-Trump with zero principles) but of course he is tremendously popular with the geriatic racists who constitute most of the actual membership of the Tory party and who get to vote in the leadership run off. 

Unfortunately that right wing group you mention is increasing in size beyond just ‘geriatrics’. UKIP’s membership collapsed as Brexiteer entryisys have  left to join the Tories. 

I don’t believe Karly is a geriatric - but would be a Boris voter from what I’ve read on here. It would be interesting to understand the attraction.

946 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 18:37

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Can anybody explain why a second referendum on brexit is "an abuse of democracy" but May calling an election two years after the previous election is not an abuse of democracy despite being contrary to the Fixed-term Parliaments Act ?

947 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 18:50

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I've taken to reading this thread when I can't sleep at night.

948 Re: Brexit negotiations on Sun Sep 09 2018, 20:05

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Having an early night?

949 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 12:11

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
"The UK economy grew at the fastest pace in almost a year during the 3 months to June" says the BBC website.

Congrats to Theresa May and her government, doing a fine job despite all the hoo-ha about Brexit.

950 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 12:33

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:"The UK economy grew at the fastest pace in almost a year during the 3 months to June" says the BBC website.

Congrats to Theresa May and her government, doing a fine job despite all the hoo-ha about Brexit.

..."in almost a year" being the key point as it has been so bad since Brexit that any kind of an improvement was inevitable even if it's only for 3 months.

Just for context, if you compare 2018 with 2017 the EU GDP as a whole grew 2.4% compared to the UK's paltry 1.7% i.e. since the referendum we are getting poorer and poorer compared to the EU.
Worse still the US is growing at over 4% so we are rapidly losing our position as leading economy under the Tories and as we continue to slide it's only a matter of time before we end up as Europe's poor neighbours.

951 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 13:07

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You really are a fucking miserable bastard. You and xmiles should get married and fuck off to France.

You only get one life, why waste it moaning about something you can do nothing about.

952 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 13:23

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:You really are a fucking miserable bastard. You and xmiles should get married and fuck off to France.

You only get one life, why waste it moaning about something you can do nothing about.

953 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 13:29

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I'm not shoving my head in the sand, I just have better things to do than moan about something that was fairly voted for and is definitely going to happen.

Plus, there are far more worthy causes to get your knickers in a twist about.

954 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 15:45

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I'm not shoving my head in the sand, I just have better things to do than moan about something that was fairly voted for and is definitely going to happen.

Plus, there are far more worthy causes to get your knickers in a twist about.
Like Twirls being made in Ireland?

955 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 16:04

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:Like Twirls being made in Ireland?

As long as they taste the same, I don't care where they are made.

956 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 19:52

bwfc71

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Ivan Campo
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:I'm not shoving my head in the sand, I just have better things to do than moan about something that was fairly voted for and is definitely going to happen.

Plus, there are far more worthy causes to get your knickers in a twist about.

Going in a circle here but I will bite.....

1.  It wasn't a vote but a large opinion poll
2.  It wasn't fair due to fact that quite a few million were not allowed to give an opinion and quite a few million more did give an opinion but were not counted!
3. Democratic process is an ongoing thing and as such people can change their minds and then realise what they gave an opinion to is not what they are going to get and want a platform in order to change their mind
4. Lets not forget that from an EU point of view it is us leaving them and not the other way round, therefore EU holds all the cards and will stick to the rules which were, ironically, helped to be created by the UK!

957 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 20:34

okocha

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Tony Kelly
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Under the Tories, austerity policies have wrecked the police, schools, prisons, social services, health and welfare etc. and the current chequers idea proposed for Brexit is certain to be disastrous for jobs and wealth.

If the answer is the narcissistic, misogynistic, lying, self-serving, crass, undiplomatic bully, Boris Johnson, then what the hell is the question? Google Eddie Mair's interview with him to see how thuggish this excuse for a worthwhile human being Boris is.



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958 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 20:37

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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@okocha wrote:Under the Tories, austerity policies have wrecked the police, schools, prisons, social services, health and welfare etc. and the current chequers idea proposed for Brexit is certain to be disastrous for jobs and wealth.


They only had to do that because of the mess the previous government made.

959 Re: Brexit negotiations on Mon Sep 10 2018, 21:06

xmiles

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Ivan Campo
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@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@okocha wrote:Under the Tories, austerity policies have wrecked the police, schools, prisons, social services, health and welfare etc. and the current chequers idea proposed for Brexit is certain to be disastrous for jobs and wealth.


They only had to do that because of the mess the previous government made.

Do you actually believe that? Perhaps you were asleep when the bankers crashed the economy with their greed - not that any of them have been punished of course. Austerity is only for 99% of the population and the wealthiest 1% just keep getting richer.

960 Re: Brexit negotiations on Tue Sep 11 2018, 01:40

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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@okocha wrote: the narcissistic, misogynistic, lying, self-serving, crass, undiplomatic bully, Boris Johnson, then what the hell is the question? Google Eddie Mair's interview with him to see how thuggish this excuse for a worthwhile human being Boris is.
Mate of yours?

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