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1 Bolton 1-2 Derby on Thu Aug 17 2017, 20:12

MartinBWFC

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El Hadji Diouf
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Tough one this, 1-1

2 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 01:31

Sluffy

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Admin
We'll stuff them.

Nothing to be bothered about here.

3 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 06:55

Fabians Right Peg

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
10-0 Bolton

4 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 09:35

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Ref watch: Stephen Martin to oversee Derby County clash

Stephen Martin will run the rule over Saturday’s Sky Bet Championship tie as Bolton Wanderers welcome Derby County to Macron Stadium.

Involved in the game since the 2008-09 season, the official has overseen three fixtures this season issuing two yellow cards in the process. His last fixture saw one yellow card produced, during Sheffield Wednesday’s 1-1 draw with Sunderland on Wednesday night.

Meanwhile, last year the Staffordshire-born referee took charge of 35 games producing 78 cautions and three red cards. Mr Martin last took control of a Bolton game in February 2016, with the Whites losing 2-1 to Burnley.

Matthew McGrath and David Avent will run the line, while Simeon Lucas is the fourth official.

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5 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 09:45

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Nat Lofthouse
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3-1. Armstrong, Buckley and ALF

6 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 09:46

Natasha Whittam

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Bugger. If Boggers says we're going to win it spells certain defeat.

7 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 11:20

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Nat Lofthouse
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It would be brilliant for morale if we can win this one but it's a big ask against such a strong team so a draw wouldn't be the end of the world. We do need to start putting some points on the board though and 3 of them would do wonders.

8 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Fri Aug 18 2017, 19:14

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Youri Djorkaeff
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I think it will also put the team in the right mind-set, something that, even though its very early, is needed.

9 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 09:34

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A bit of pressure with whipping boys Burton coming from behind to beat Brum last night and leaping above us in the table. Obviously it's early doors but the result does emphasise how competitive this league is and the importance of getting as  many points as possible in home games.

Only Burton and Barnsley have shorter odds than us for getting relegated so perhaps Parky should use that to focus minds. Building a home "fortress" got off to a poor start but today is an opportunity to start putting that right.

10 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 12:25

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Press Conference:

11 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 12:34

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Nat Lofthouse
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Preview: Five talking points ahead of Bolton Wanderers v Derby County



As Wanderers return to Macron Stadium to take on Derby County following three successive away days, bwfc.co.uk highlights five talking points ahead of Saturday's clash with the Rams.


1. Back at Macron Stadium
Wanderers take to the Macron Stadium turf for the first time since the opening day of the season as they take on Derby County this weekend.

Coming into the Sky Bet Championship clash after three successive away days, the Whites picked up their first win of the season at Crewe Alexandra in the Carabao Cup before fighting out draws with both Millwall and Birmingham City.

Following three promising performances on the road, Bolton will be looking to build on their early-season promise in front of their home fans against one of the division's potential promotion candidates.

2. Striking options
Phil Parkinson has a decision to make regarding his striking options after Adam Armstrong's impressive performance in midweek against Birmingham City.

Having scored his first goal for the club on his full debut against Crewe, the Newcastle United loanee was handed his maiden Trotters league start on Tuesday night as he partnered Gary Madine in attack at St Andrew's with Adam Le Fondre dropping to the bench.

Le Fondre and Madine are also already off the mark this season after both scored against Leeds United on the opening day.

With veteran Aaron Wilbraham eyeing up a potential home debut having featured in each of Wanderers' last three outings, Parkinson will be hoping that competition for places continues to bring the best out of his forwards ahead of his side's clash with Derby County.

3. First league win?
The Whites will be searching for their first league win of the season on Saturday as they take to the field in front of their home fans.

Having fought out two away draws from their last two outings, Bolton have looked confident in their early Sky Bet Championship encounters as they look to establish themselves back in the second tier.

There is an added spice to Saturday's clash with Derby County as the Trotters face the Rams for the first time since the East Midlands outfit confirmed their relegation to Sky Bet League One in April 2016.

Now determined to put past demons to bed and to build on their early promise, management, players and fans alike will be keen to ensure Wanderers do not have to wait long for a maiden victory of the season.

4. Golden Gamble

Supporters attending Saturday's game will be in with a chance of winning one of ten prizes as part of our matchday Golden Gamble draw, with tickets available both outside the stadium  and in the concourses at Macron Stadium from various vendors.

For just £1, everybody who purchases a ticket will be in with a chance of winning some fantastic prizes, including being entered into our new £100 per game rollover.

Meanwhile, Golden Gamble season tickets are also on sale for a limited time only! Costing £20 for 22 games, fans can now secure their place in every matchday draw, ensuring they have the chance to win one of the great prizes every matchday at Macron Stadium!


5. The Wanderer
Fans attending this Saturday's game can snap up a copy of the club's matchday programme for just £3, with copies available for purchase both outside and in the concourses at Macron Stadium.

Boasting 84-pages of exclusive content, 'The Wanderer' offers up an in-depth look at our visitors from Pride Park, including detailed player profiles, a trip down memory lane to games gone by and a view from the other side of the fence.

There's also a six-page interview with striker Gary Madine, a pull-out poster of our No.14 and a number of special features to mark the Whites' 20th anniversary at Macron Stadium.

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12 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 14:32

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13 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 14:33

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14 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 17:03

karlypants

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Report: Bolton Wanderers 1-2 Derby County

A first-half David Nugent brace ensured that Wanderers slipped to defeat against Derby County at Macron Stadium on Saturday afternoon.

The Rams took the lead against the run of play in the eighth minute of the clash, with the striker given the simple task of tapping the ball home after connecting with Matej Vydra’s cross, while the former England international doubled his tally in the 20th minute with a close-range header.

The Whites did halve the deficit in second-half injury time through Gary Madine's goal to set up a frantic finish, but it was simply a consolation effort come full time.

TEAM NEWS

Wanderers named an unchanged starting XI from the side who lined up against Birmingham City on Tuesday evening, with the substitutes’ bench also the same as four days’ previous.

FIRST HALF

It was the home side who looked mostly likely to break the deadlock inside the opening stages of the clash, with some clever link-up play between Darren Pratley and Filipe Morais deserving more as the latter whipped two dangerous crosses into the Derby six-yard box.

Bolton’s pressure continued, but against the run of play the visitors took the lead as Vydra found Nugent a matter of yards out, with the frontman given the simple task of tapping home past a stranded Mark Howard.

It was the Rams’ first sight of goal, and they had certainly punished the Whites with it.

Following their opener, County pushed forward and were eventually rewarded with a second goal as Nugent nodded home from a similar position to his first to double his own tally for the afternoon and his side’s advantage.

Vydra should have been on the scoresheet himself with 27 minutes gone as he found himself one-on-one with Howard, but the Czech Republic international somehow skewed his effort high and wide to the relief of those of a Bolton persuasion inside Macron Stadium.

It was an opportunity which left the home faithful rallying behind their side, with them willing them to halve the deficit by any means possible.

Vydra again came close just after the half hour mark when volleying over from the edge of the 18-yard box.

Wanderers were being forced back in their numbers as the clock ran down to half time as the Rams pushed to add to their goal tally.

Andre Wisdom had Bolton hearts in mouths on the stroke of the 45 too, with his mazy run from the halfway line and consequent shot trickling inches wide of Howard’s far post.

Come half time however, the scoreline remained two nil in the Rams’ favour.

SECOND HALF

There was one change for the Whites at the break, with Adam Le Fondre replacing Adam Armstrong for the second half.

And Alfie looked lively from the outset, with the Trotters’ No.9 causing problems early on.

Wanderers definitely had more fire in their bellies following the restart, with the visitors being forced onto the backfoot inside the opening ten minutes of the half.

Scott Carson was yet to be really tested however, with the majority of Bolton’s pressure being in and around the box as opposed to in the form of clear-cut goalmouth opportunities.

Bolton’s confidence was growing though, and the home fans were responding with their vocal backing.

Their efforts meanwhile were being rebuffed by a solid Derby defence, with the Rams packing eleven men behind the ball in a bid to preserve their lead.

Pratley came within inches of pulling Bolton back into the encounter with 20 minutes to go after chasing down Dorian Dervite's flick-on from a Morais free-kick, but Carson was just a split second quicker than the Whites' skipper and managed to safely smother the ball.

The home side were still trying their luck as the game ebbed towards its conclusion, while Andre Wisdom was lucky to stay on the field after avoiding what appeared to be a certain second yellow for a cynical foul on Andrew Taylor.

Morais' resulting free-kick from that incident caused a few problems in the Derby six-yard box too, but the Rams eventually managed to clear their lines after Carson had been forced to punch the ball away under pressure from Madine.

Aaron Wilbraham - a second half substitute for Wanderers - looked set to capitalise after the ball fell kindly for him 12-yards out from goal, but the linesman's flag ensured that he was stopped in his tracks.

Four additional minutes were indicated at the end of the 90, and the Whites ensured something of a grandstand finish when Madine rolled the ball home from ten yards out.

Despite their best efforts however, Wanderers couldn't force a leveller and found themselves on the losing side come full time.

FULL TIME

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15 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 17:30

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It's bad when the highlights of our attack in the report are a tackle, a cross and an offside. Plus our one shot on target to give us the consolation goal. 
Add that to dodgy defending and it is surely time for Parky to rethink his system and selection.

16 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 18:23

Jack Russell

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Nicky Hunt
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The midfield was awful today, Pratley 10 minutes behind  for most of the game. We could only string passes together at the back, once we tried going forward we were losing the ball far too many times.

17 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 18:23

Norpig

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John McGinlay
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A shocking performance, especially the first half, it should have been 4 or 5 to Derby by half time. The defence was awful and looks a shadow of last season, the sooner Wheater is fit the better.

The midfield was truly awful as well, the captain was a passenger the whole game and every pass was backwards. Cullen and Karacan weren't much better.

The 352 is plainly not working and we need to change to a flat back 4 and release Morais (the one player who can hold his head up today) to be a proper winger.

Parky needs to be more flexible, why didn't he change the formation at half time? Instead all he did and always does is just make like for like subs.

It's going to be a long season watching hoofball and a defence that keeps making simple mistakes and gifting teams goals  Rolling Eyes

18 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 18:28

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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That was dire. Nothing else I can say.

19 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 18:59

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Terrible, just fucking terrible.

Make excuses about lack of funds all you like, but effort and commitment costs nothing and should be the bare minimum expected of anyone who pulls on the white shirt. Today we looked beaten before a ball was kicked.

But today was about Phil Parkinson following in a long line of useless Bolton managers who refuse to change tactics. The 5-3-2 wasn't working, our only attacking player (Morias) was stuck defending for much of the match because the absolutely useless midfield trio of Pratley, Karacan(t) and Cullen offered no protection whatsoever.

For fucks sake Parky, everyone in the ground could see that Derby were killing us, they should have been 5-0 up at half-time. But instead of changing the system and pushing Morais forward he brought on Le Fondre for Armstrong. Fuck off. Armstrong hadn't been brilliant but he hadn't had a decent pass all half. He isn't 7ft2. The system needed changing, not the strikers.

And can someone explain why Beevers and Dervite are staying in defence when we have a throw-in near to the opposition penalty area? Last season we looked very dangerous in this situation, Beevers and Wheater regularly popping up to find the net. Now they stay back. Fuck off Parky, you are too fucking negative.

We have three midfielders who offer no protection to the defence and no support to the attack. Every time the strikers got the ball the midfielders were back in our penalty area. Pratley needs to fuck off, he isn't a footballer anymore. As I said when we signed him, Karacan(t) is lightweight and clueless. Cullen possibly broke the record for the number of backwards passes today.

We made more of a fist of it in the second half, but never looked like scoring. But even when we did fluke a goal there was no last minute bombardment, no centre half playing upfront, just nothing. It was as if Parky was protecting the 1-2 scoreline.

For the next league game he needs to revert to a back four. Fuck Dervite off. Play four in midfield, probably Morais, Buckley, Derik and Robinson on the left. Up top it's any two from four. I thought Wilbraham did more in 10 minutes than Madine, Le Fondre and Armstrong did in the whole game.

Whoever plays, we are in deep shit. Some shite teams survive because they have heart and character. We have nothing but ponces.

I'd sack Parky now.

20 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sat Aug 19 2017, 22:04

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This team is very much on a par with the one that got relegated two years ago to me. No quality going forward, incredibly sloppy at the back. I think 0-4 would have been a fairer score than 1-2, and the only reason there wasn't a deafening boo at full time was the goal we somehow managed against the run of play.

Sadly - although I've never been a fan of Parky's playing style - I don't see it getting much better whatever approach he or anybody else were to have. I think it's back to reality now after the end to last season, and it'll be interesting to see how many of the Parkinson fans from a few months ago are still behind him after another 10-20 games like that.

21 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 12:29

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sheffield United are showing that a back three can work in this league - providing the wing backs push on. It won't work for us as long as Parky has them forming a back 5 at the drop of a hat, because we'll never get forward with possession. If the players aren't comfortable enough in possession to play that system, or that he feels that the defence doesn't get enough protection from midfield, he should choose a system that best suits their qualities e.g. 433, 424, 4231 or similar. But as I keep saying, Parky comes across as very stubborn and very set in his ways and it will be interesting to see if he has the humility to come out and admit that he was wrong and change things.

22 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 13:01

Norpig

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Morais is wasted at wing back, again yesterday he was the only bright spark and creative option, we need him operating further up the field. From what i've seen this season the wingbacks aren't getting the chance to get forward as much as last season due to a better standard in the Championship.

I would try a flat back four and have one holding player - a 4132 formation with Derik or Burke playing infront of the back 4 and the likes of Morais and Buckley further forward.

23 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 13:15

MartinBWFC

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El Hadji Diouf
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I'd like to see us playing 4-5-1 at home, as has been said Morais is wasted  at wing back, and get 2 wingers creating chances, but as Norpig says Parkinson seems to be stubborn manager, if he carries on with this formation we'll be down by February.

24 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 13:15

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El Hadji Diouf
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You listen to Parky's post match interview and there is not a word about lack of creativity or negative football. He either doesn't know or got his head in the sand. Three center backs on the pitch at home?
I based my prediction of 21st on getting points at home from the likes of Derby and Leeds. Early days but it doesn't look good so far. especially when the manager doesn't seem to know where the problem is.

25 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 14:59

Fabians Right Peg

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No point in having wingers if the centre midfielders, can't pass or controls portions of the game, we are very poor centrally and even when Taylor and Morais get forward, our centre midfielders can't find them.

Karacan offers nothing at all as far as I can see, Cullen reminds me of young spearing every pass side ways of backwards and Pratley is fecking useless.

Need Buckley in there and Vela back as soon as possible.

This is going to be a long season.

26 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Sun Aug 20 2017, 19:05

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Tony Kelly
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Fabians Right Peg wrote:No point in having wingers if the centre midfielders, can't pass or controls portions of the game, we are very poor centrally and even when Taylor and Morais get forward, our centre midfielders can't find them.

Karacan offers nothing at all as far as I can see, Cullen reminds me of young spearing every pass side ways of backwards and Pratley is fecking useless.

Need Buckley in there and Vela back as soon as possible.

This is going to be a long season.
Or very short.

27 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Mon Aug 21 2017, 09:53

wanderlust

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Watched former Wanderers Alonso and Mooy scoring the winners for Chelsea and Huddersfield respectively and both games were interesting from our perspective. Chelsea play a back 3 but with 3 strong battlers in front of them effectively having 2 banks of 3 allowing the wing backs to wander all over the shop as required. It works for them because they have a really solid centre that can boss the midfield a prevent attacks through the middle. Without the likes of Kante and Luiz protecting the defence we shouldn't be doing it in the Championship. And Huddersfield showed that with a modicum of quality and a limited budget it's possible to compete providing they are disciplined and work as  team. If Parky takes that on board we might be able to improve considerably.

28 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Mon Aug 21 2017, 13:18

terenceanne

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wanderlust wrote:Watched former Wanderers Alonso and Mooy scoring the winners for Chelsea and Huddersfield respectively and both games were interesting from our perspective. Chelsea play a back 3 but with 3 strong battlers in front of them effectively having 2 banks of 3 allowing the wing backs to wander all over the shop as required. It works for them because they have a really solid centre that can boss the midfield a prevent attacks through the middle. Without the likes of Kante and Luiz protecting the defence we shouldn't be doing it in the Championship. And Huddersfield showed that with a modicum of quality and a limited budget it's possible to compete providing they are disciplined and work as  team. If Parky takes that on board we might be able to improve considerably.
In the Huddersfield game did you see when they showed non other then Frankie Worthington sitting in the crowd?   One of the best to ever wear a Bolton shirt IMO.

29 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Mon Aug 21 2017, 13:24

Norpig

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Poor old Frankie Worthy has Alzheimers doesn't he? Saw a program about Stan Bowles recently and he was with Worthy and they said they were both diagnosed with it. Don't think Frank is as far advanced as Bowles but sad all the same

30 Re: Bolton 1-2 Derby on Mon Aug 21 2017, 17:41

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Norpig wrote:Poor old Frankie Worthy has Alzheimers doesn't he? Saw a program about Stan Bowles recently and he was with Worthy and they said they were both diagnosed with it. Don't think Frank is as far advanced as Bowles but sad all the same
I was on the embankment when he scored 'that goal'. I'll never forget it.

Just reminds us how Father Time ticks for us all.

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