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1 Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 14:09

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2 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 14:12

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3 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 17:39

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Report: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton Wanderers

Wanderers slipped to a Boxing Day defeat at the hands of Middlesbrough at the Riverside Stadium on Tuesday afternoon.

Following a goalless first half, the deadlock was broken by the hosts within four minutes of the restart as Martin Braithwaite's effort deflected off David Wheater and over Ben Alnwick.

And their advantage was doubled in the 68th minute as Britt Assombalonga fired home from an angle - a scoreline which remained as such come full time.

TEAM NEWS

Craig Noone, who came off the bench to help Wanderers pick up three points against former club Cardiff City at the weekend, was rewarded with a role in the starting XI with Will Buckley swapping places on the bench.

It was just the one change for Phil Parkinson’s men who were looking to build on their victory against the Welshmen.

FIRST HALF

The opening exchanges passed without any incident for either team who were each looking to settle into their rhythm.

Cyrus Christie could have put his side ahead in the tenth minute though when he was permitted to run into a dangerous area by the Wanderers defence. His left-footed curler went narrowly wide to give the visitors a reprieve.

Andrew Taylor, playing against his hometown club, received the game’s first caution after a late challenge on Britt Assombalonga, who required treatment.

Gary Madine registered the visitors’ first effort at goal when his looped header from a Karl Henry free-kick went just over Darren Randolph’s cross bar.

The Wanderers frontman was at the forefront of everything his side had to show in the final third of the field.

Assombalonga tried to deceive Ben Alnwick with a back-heeled flick after Patrick Bamford got behind the Wanderers defence, but the big striker didn’t get enough power to trouble the ‘keeper.

However, the visitors were beginning to cause problems for Boro. particularly at set plays. Vela was unlucky to see his goalbound shot take a deflection off Fabio after Sammy Ameobi had stolen possession on the right flank.

Johnny Howson was booked after grabbing hold of Ameobi who threatened to break away with the ball after being gifted possession.

Martin Braithwaite had a great chance to break the deadlock after getting in behind the Wanderers defence but his effort flashed across the face of goal before going out for a goalkick.

Wanderers lost the services of Taylor after 36 minutes through an injury. Antonee Robinson came on for the defender.

Moments later, Alnwick made a stunning save with his feet to keep out Bamford who had been put through and was one-on-one with the Wanderers shot stopper.

SECOND HALF

An ambitious 30-yard strike from Ameobi greeted the second-half but the ball was never in danger of troubling Randolph.

But the opening goal came via the hosts after 49 minutes when Braithwaite’s strike took an inadvertent deflection off David Wheater to beat Alnwick and put Boro in the driving seat.

Buckley came on for Noone after 62 minutes as Parkinson made his second change of the game.

Assombalonga grabbed Boro’s second with a tidy finish after powering in from the right flank with just over twenty minutes of the match remaining.

The second goal had given Boro a swagger that wasn’t seen during the first half and Wanderers simply struggled to cause them any problems.

Wanderers’ final substitution of the afternoon came in the guise of Aaron Wilbraham who replaced Madine with 15 minutes of the game remaining.

But Wanderers were unable to salvage anything from the game and will close out 2017 with a trip to Bramall Lane on Saturday against Sheffield United.

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4 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 17:41

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5 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 18:35

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And yet again another 90 minutes without a shot on target, thanks Parkinson.

6 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 18:55

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MartinBWFC wrote:And yet again another 90 minutes without a shot on target, thanks Parkinson.
No one told the team that they had to show up today. KA has no money... Parky has no clue... and the team has no leadership.  Maybe BSA will buy us from his bonus for saving Everton this season.  So far has not lost a game with them.  As Rooney said, he took us back to basics.  Parky can't even get the basics right in this league.

7 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 21:21

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Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.

8 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 22:32

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.

That's the only realistic target while Ken is owner, if we stay up this season it will be the same old shite next season.Playing decent clubs like Boro, Derby, Leeds etc with half our team 3rd Div players
Part of me would rather pee about in the 3rd Division until we have a team that can compete in the 2nd Division.
As I understand it, the main benefit of avoiding relegation this season is that it will be easier for Ken to sell the club, but im not really arsed about that.I think if someone wants to buy the club they will do so whichever division its in.

9 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 23:13

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.

That's the only realistic target while Ken is owner, if we stay up this season it will be the same old shite next season.Playing decent clubs like Boro, Derby, Leeds etc with half our team 3rd Div players
Part of me would rather pee about in the 3rd Division until we have a team that can compete in the 2nd Division.
As I understand it, the main benefit of avoiding relegation this season is that it will be easier for Ken to sell the club, but im not really arsed about that.I think if someone wants to buy the club they will do so whichever division its in.

You see I've never understood defeatist attitude.

Even in my playing days and losing 10-0, I've always fought to the end giving my best - why bother even playing in the first place if you think you're going to be beaten?

If we get relegated and struggle next season, what would you want, for us to go down to the fourth division where we might be one of the better teams there?

Isn't it all about doing the best you can with what you have?

Would people moan if we got back to the Premier and just hung on year after year - after all unless you have serious money no team is going to establish themselves long term in the top four or five places.  Most would be happy just to be at the top table and maybe one day have a season like Leicester had.  Of course you couldn't do that if we thought 'what's the point in being in this division if we can't compete?

 It's all about doing your best - imo.

10 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Tue Dec 26 2017, 23:31

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.
As much as I respect your opinion, no shots on target reminds me of our first ten games. Not panicking since it is a six-team relegation battle (as it appears now).  But for us to look like we did at the beginning of the season means Parky is not moving forward.  Further, no wins on the road, and rumors of Her Majesty's Tax authorities coming after us, make me believe we may be in real danger.  I hope YOU are correct and that we are wrong.  At least the pack has not pulled away.

11 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 10:52

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.

Absolute shite! Those are the words of an armchair bellend who couldn't find the Macron if it was built on his arse.

On course to avoid relegation? We're second from bottom you gobshite.

12 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 11:01

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.

Sluffy,
You say that we are well on course to avoid relegation.
I don't see that and wonder where you get that from. Is it your undiluted passion for the Wanderers or is it based on something more factual and evidence based?
Negative though it may sound I don't think we are well on the way to avoiding relegation. I think we are staring it in the face

13 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 12:32

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Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.
Tell that to Millwalls manager who are beating and drawing with multi million pound teams, he sends them out to play, Parkinson sends them out to stifle he clearly has no other plan and he's so easy to outplay.

14 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 12:48

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Sluffy’s right in as much as Parkinson has the odds stacked against him heavily in regards to avoiding relegation, and going away to a club like ‘boro anything other than defeat would be a surprise.

Millwall are an interesting comparison, on the one hand they prove the point that Parky should be doing better (although he’s still operating under more difficult constraints than them).

On the other, Neil Harris plays a very similar style of ‘pragmatic’ (aka one dimensional) football as the one Parky is getting flack for favouring.

One thing I’m not reading is what Parkinson should be doing? His options are limited from what I can see.

15 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 12:57

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T.R.O.Y wrote:Sluffy’s right in as much as Parkinson has the odds stacked against him heavily in regards to avoiding relegation, and going away to a club like ‘boro anything other than defeat would be a surprise.

Millwall are an interesting comparison, on the one hand they prove the point that Parky should be doing better (although he’s still operating under more difficult constraints than them).

On the other, Neil Harris plays a very similar style of ‘pragmatic’ (aka one dimensional) football as the one Parky is getting flack for favouring.

One thing I’m not reading is what Parkinson should be doing? His options are limited from what I can see.
He could start by trying a different system, it is no coincidence that our possession stats are extremely poor, the fact we lose possession so quickly is down to hoofing it to one striker who then gives away easy possession, hence the opposition mounting attack after attack, it is my opinion that he knows no other way of playing.

16 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 13:51

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T.R.O.Y wrote: His options are limited from what I can see.

When you haven't won away all season playing negative hoofball shite, there are other options. Two up top, 5 at the back, Vela in midfield etc.

Parky refuses to adapt to the situation. Burton is a prime example. They came to defend, sneaked a goal and put 11 men behind the ball. Parky spent 90 minutes humping the ball to Madine. That isn't about money or players, it's simply about changing your tactics to suit the situation.

Ignoring the fact that Parky signed most of these players, the old "we haven't got any money" excuse is getting tiresome. Effort and the right tactics are enough to stay in this division. We are lacking in both in my opinion.

17 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 13:54

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MartinBWFC wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Get a grip both of you ffs!

We were beaten by a massive deflection - from one £9 million striker - and their other striker bought for £15 million (both bought at the beginning of the season) - got the other by turning Wheater inside out on a one on one.

We are still well on course to avoid relegation - with that being the one and only realistic target we have for this season.

There's better games for us to pick our points up from.

I'll settle for that rather than panicking with months to go yet.
Tell that to Millwalls manager who are beating and drawing with multi million pound teams, he sends them out to play, Parkinson sends them out to stifle he clearly has no other plan and he's so easy to outplay.

Obviously you don't let facts stand in the way of your rants do you Martin?

I'm certain that we somehow got badly caught out with the embargo's new tighter restrictions on the  number of players we could have in our squad from the start of this season - why else did we not have a single defensive midfielder in the squad - and also why had Spearing not signed for any other club whilst he clearly was holding out for a bigger contract with us?

This obvious hole in the team (together with Ameobi and Vela being unavailable for the first umpteen games) had a direct result on our absolutely shite results from the beginning of the season until Anderson got the embargo lifted and signed Karl Henry to plug the midfield defensive gap.

Henry signed and played from 26th September onwards.

Our results from them are P15, W4, D5, L6 =17 points

Millwall during the same period - P15, W4, D5, L6=17 points also.

Yet in your head Parkinson is shite whilst Millwall are doing brilliantly!

Yes Millwall drew with Wolves (top) but we beat Cardiff who are second in the league.

During the same period Millwall also lost at home to Barnsley and Burton and only managed a draw against Sunderland  - so yes they've got points of some good teams in our league but also dropped plenty to plenty crap ones as well.

Tbh right now I don't think there's much difference between Millwall and us but if Anderson can wheel and deal and get some fringe players out and bring one or two better ones in we should be ok, maybe even finish above them perhaps

Try not to be a kneejerker after every single defeat - think more longer term instead.

As Kipling once famously wrote -

"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs..."

18 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 13:57

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Sluffy wrote:Henry signed and played from 26th September onwards.

Our results from them are P15, W4, D5, L6 =17 points

Millwall during the same period - P15, W4, D5, L6=17 points also.

Yet in your head Parkinson is shite whilst Millwall are doing brilliantly!


So you're basically pulling stats from your arse to suit your argument.

Between 23rd & 25th of December we had a 100% record. Parky should be getting manager of the month.

We're second from bottom. That is not on course for staying up.

19 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 14:04

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Henry signed and played from 26th September onwards.

Our results from them are P15, W4, D5, L6 =17 points

Millwall during the same period - P15, W4, D5, L6=17 points also.

Yet in your head Parkinson is shite whilst Millwall are doing brilliantly!


So you're basically pulling stats from your arse to suit your argument.

Between 23rd & 25th of December we had a 100% record. Parky should be getting manager of the month.

We're second from bottom. That is not on course for staying up.

No, I'm just stating the facts.

The only thing that matters is not the number of battles we lose but that in the end we win the war.

(Welcome back btw!)

20 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 14:05

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Sluffy it's easy to give a reasoned explanation when all you see of us is highlights, I go to home games and have to watch the shite parkinson passes off as football, there is no direction in games, continually sideways, backward, and hoof, repeat for 90 plus minutes and that's Parkinsons game plan week in week out, the way he sets up has us chasing shadows, hence players knackered after 70 minutes, the reason we concede so many late goals, it's basic stuff let the ball do the work and play out from the back, not a chance with Parkinsons mentality.

21 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 14:30

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MartinBWFC wrote:Sluffy it's easy to give a reasoned explanation when all you see of us is highlights, I go to home games and have to watch the shite parkinson passes off as football, there is no direction in games, continually sideways, backward, and hoof, repeat for 90 plus minutes and that's Parkinsons game plan week in week out, the way he sets up has us chasing shadows, hence players knackered after 70 minutes, the reason we concede so many late goals, it's basic stuff let the ball do the work and play out from the back, not a chance with Parkinsons mentality.

I've seen plenty of shite games at Burnden and many other grounds around the country in my days to know what you are saying - and if you notice I don't actually comment on games I don't actually watch fully.  

I also know that football as changed over the years but negative football isn't anything new - I remember Don Revie telling his Leeds side that they start the game with a point and it's up to the other team to try and take it off them rather than they attack them - boring, boring Leeds - and all that.

Parkinson is not the world's best manager but he's done well considering what he's had to face and the constraints he's had.

I've questioned his game strategy against Burton as you will remember but I think he is probably a bit entrenched in his thinking as since he did manage to bring in a midfield defender, we've been playing midtable football (in terms of points gained) - see this form table for the last 15 games (we are 17th) -

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IF you ignore the fist two games we lost whilst Henry was settling into the team we have done even better (11th in the form table) -

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Can you really blame him for sticking with his game plan that is actually being successful - even with its occasional setbacks such as Burton?

Yes, maybe crap football to watch but he/we are on track for staying up with it.

A few better players in, in January plus a few tweaks here and there in game plans might put us in a more safer league position when he can afford to play and select more positive teams.

But for now it is all about sticking to something that is (mostly) working with the players he has to pick from.

22 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 14:48

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You keep saying it's working Sluffy but it obviously isn't. Yes we've done better in the last 15 games but still only 4 games won all season, we aren't on course for staying up at this rate and i can't see how you can say we are to be honest (other than blind optimism).

I don't think we will make significant changes in January, if anything we will be worse off if we do sell the likes of Vela and Parky will not change his way of playing, he's said as much already. If that makes me a pessimist then so be it , but i tend to think it's more realistic.

23 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 14:57

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Norpig wrote:You keep saying it's working Sluffy but it obviously isn't. Yes we've done better in the last 15 games but still only 4 games won all season, we aren't on course for staying up at this rate and i can't see how you can say we are to be honest (other than blind optimism).

I don't think we will make significant changes in January, if anything we will be worse off if we do sell the likes of Vela and Parky will not change his way of playing, he's said as much already. If that makes me a pessimist then so be it , but i tend to think it's more realistic.

And all those 4 wins in the games since we signed a defensive midfielder - and all within our last 13 games.

We ARE on course for staying up at that rate - comfortably so in fact.

Things however can and do change - the transfer window being a big factor in this - but if we can somehow manage to keep the points to games ratio as we have had for our last 15 games (and even more so for our last 13 games following the side settling with Henry as part of it) we will stay up.

24 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 15:29

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Someone got some new rose tinted glasses for Christmas i see  Very Happy

I admire your optimism Sluffy but i just can't see it happening, i want us to stay up but we just don't score enough goals and i can't see that changing if Parky continues with the hoofball.

25 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 15:33

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Sluffy wrote:
MartinBWFC wrote:Sluffy it's easy to give a reasoned explanation when all you see of us is highlights, I go to home games and have to watch the shite parkinson passes off as football, there is no direction in games, continually sideways, backward, and hoof, repeat for 90 plus minutes and that's Parkinsons game plan week in week out, the way he sets up has us chasing shadows, hence players knackered after 70 minutes, the reason we concede so many late goals, it's basic stuff let the ball do the work and play out from the back, not a chance with Parkinsons mentality.

I've seen plenty of shite games at Burnden and many other grounds around the country in my days to know what you are saying - and if you notice I don't actually comment on games I don't actually watch fully.  

I also know that football as changed over the years but negative football isn't anything new - I remember Don Revie telling his Leeds side that they start the game with a point and it's up to the other team to try and take it off them rather than they attack them - boring, boring Leeds - and all that.

Parkinson is not the world's best manager but he's done well considering what he's had to face and the constraints he's had.

I've questioned his game strategy against Burton as you will remember but I think he is probably a bit entrenched in his thinking as since he did manage to bring in a midfield defender, we've been playing midtable football (in terms of points gained) - see this form table for the last 15 games (we are 17th) -

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IF you ignore the fist two games we lost whilst Henry was settling into the team we have done even better (11th in the form table) -

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Can you really blame him for sticking with his game plan that is actually being successful - even with its occasional setbacks such as Burton?

Yes, maybe crap football to watch but he/we are on track for staying up with it.

A few better players in, in January plus a few tweaks here and there in game plans might put us in a more safer league position when he can afford to play and select more positive teams.

But for now it is all about sticking to something that is (mostly) working with the players he has to pick from.
No disrespect Sluffy, but I remember the McGovern and Neal years, yes they were shit but we stood up and tried to play football, I never walked out of a ground and thought that was fucking awful the way I do with Parkinsons shite, it's counter productive and driving fans away in their droves.

26 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 15:42

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Norpig wrote:Someone got some new rose tinted glasses for Christmas i see  Very Happy

I admire your optimism Sluffy but i just can't see it happening, i want us to stay up but we just don't score enough goals and i can't see that changing if Parky continues with the hoofball.
This all stems from my initial reservations about:

  • No shots on target... a real problem in our first ten games of the year
  • No away wins in the Championship
  • Gossip about Vela and Madine possibly being sold in January, in the same vein Clough and Holding were sold to pay operating costs for the season
  • the tax services not being paid on time
  • KA complaining about the lack of fans... indicating he needs the revenue to buy players
  • KA complaining about too many players sitting on their backsides and not playing, while continuing to get checks

As I expressed to Sluffy, we are all on the same side... wanting to come out of the spiral down... but facts are we have been better since acquiring Henry and have gained ground from the dismal start of the season.  Fact is we are still within a win or two of the bottom six.  

Subjectively, many feel Parky is one-dimensional.  Fact is I watched Brentford play Villa yesterday and saw a scrappy, not so rich team, playing their hearts out, and holding on for a 2-1 victory.  They passed and ran... without getting tired. It was fun to watch.  

Fact is many of the Nutters predicted 0 points from the 4 games through New Year's Day.  We surpassed that on the first game against Cardiff.  Not having a shot on target on Boxing Day was a disappointment.  Having two goals scored against you by 15 million pound strikers is not awful. Losing a six-pointer against a fellow relegation team like Burton at home is unacceptable.  We have two more games to try and beat our own predictions... perhaps we will beat Hull and maybe salvage a point this weekend against United.  But we have to get shots on target. Fact is Parky has to adjust for the teams we are playing and not play the same game against everyone.  If we only were as scrappy as Brentford, there would be more fans in the stands.  That I'm afraid is up to leadership and we are woefully short of that in my opinion.

27 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 15:44

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Most fans seem to agree that our lads find it hard to pass accurately from A to B, so surely the idea that we might try passing out from the back is fraught with danger.

28 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 15:55

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Norpig wrote:Someone got some new rose tinted glasses for Christmas i see  Very Happy

I admire your optimism Sluffy but i just can't see it happening, i want us to stay up but we just don't score enough goals and i can't see that changing if Parky continues with the hoofball.


Well the facts show (and not my opinion) that over the last 13 league games we are on form the 11th best club in our league.

Sometimes we need to look at the wider picture - we might well be playing shite - but are there more teams playing even shiter than we are? And if the answer is yes in more than three cases over the season then we will stay up!

Of course a lot can happen between now and May but we are only one win away from being outside the bottom three at Christmas and I for one would have been happy to snatch anyone's hand off offering that at the start of the season when the tighter player embargo was imposed.

29 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 16:13

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Sluffy wrote:
Norpig wrote:Someone got some new rose tinted glasses for Christmas i see  Very Happy

I admire your optimism Sluffy but i just can't see it happening, i want us to stay up but we just don't score enough goals and i can't see that changing if Parky continues with the hoofball.


Well the facts show (and not my opinion) that over the last 13 league games we are on form the 11th best club in our league.

Sometimes we need to look at the wider picture - we might well be playing shite - but are there more teams playing even shiter than we are?  And if the answer is yes in more than three cases over the season then we will stay up!

Of course a lot can happen between now and May but we are only one win away from being outside the bottom three at Christmas and I for one would have been happy to snatch anyone's hand off offering that at the start of the season when the tighter player embargo was imposed.
As I said, we are all on the same side... and yes, we have improved our position to have caught up with the pack at the bottom... something that was not thinkable during the first 10 games.  We are not being naysayers... rather adding up and hoping the gossip about losing players, not having enough money to finish the season, or trimming the squad without bringing in players is just not true!  We have been in relegation form before and with one or two players coming in, have turned it around.  Hope is not lost!  We just hope KA has the money to keep us up and Parky has done his homework and works with players who know how to pass.  Exciting football brings fans back... wins also help!  Matches like we played against Burton will not win anyone over... and keep us from being out of the relegation zone during Christmas.  No one is denying we lost to a team with two high priced players who beat us... but we can complain about no shots on target.  We don't want to emulate the first ten games again... and Parky does need to sort it out.  Again, I harp on the lack of a team leader... don't you wish we had a young Kevin Davies out there urging the team on?  Happy Holidays and let's get 3 or 4 more points by New Year's Day.

30 Re: Middlesbrough 2-0 Bolton on Wed Dec 27 2017, 18:49

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Mario Jardel
Mario Jardel
Was freezing my nuts off at the Riverside with 700 hardcore fans. Didn’t expect anything,hoped for a point. Lucky deflection by a ten million pound player for 1-0.
Then 2-0 by a 16 million pound player. The same side beat us 3-0 at the Reebok while playing 3-5-2 formation. Since implementing 4-2-3-1 we have obtained 17 points.
It might not be pretty but it’s been effective. Who knows if we stay in the Championship we could get snapped up. Money to buy players. Promotion.
But fuck me Bolton fans would complain because they were staying up on the last day of the season. You can’t please everyone. I was watching a Birmingham vlog,where there fans are pulling there hair out as they have got rid of Carson Yeung now got owners who know little about the game ,brought in Zola,then Redknapp spent £16 million on strikers and then he left they gave ste coterill a 2 and half years contract and they’re resigned to relegation. Stop bitching get to the Macron New Year’s Day let’s try get 20-000 and cheer the lads on.

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