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MartinBWFC

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El Hadji Diouf
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Fine, but that was a stupid comment from you. We could (and IMO should) be doing worse than we are, this squad and our resources should have us bottom 3 incredible that we’re not. More like last night and we will be.
We're clearly poles apart here, with the squad we have we should be in a lot better position than we currently are, form players are inexplicably overlooked, for example Karacan a much better option than Derik, Noone a vast improvement on Buckley, Vela has looked poor all season, Beevers is never a championship footballer, Little did very well before getting sent off, nowhere near the team now, Robinson is clearly a better option than Taylor.

Experienced managers quickly suss Parkinson's tactics and play on it, he doesn't give them anything to think about, nullify Ameobi and you stop Bolton playing, it's not rocket science, it's about mixing it up and giving the opposition problems, he cannot do that, he has one way of playing and that is his stock, you cannot send teams out to defend the nil, and expect to win, it works now and then but ultimately it will bite you on the arse, he's an extremely poor manager, and will be lucky to get a gig at this level ever again.

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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Boggersbelief wrote:Look, we are still 5 clear of the relegation zone. Two more wins should see us safe
Where are the 2 wins going to come from though Boggers? Can't see us getting anything from Derby, maybe a point against Millwall. 
Our away form is that bad we can't bank on getting anything from Barnsley and Burton and that leaves us with Wolves and Forest at home.
I have a feeling it may go all the way to the Forest game.

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Andy Walker
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Norpig wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:Look, we are still 5 clear of the relegation zone. Two more wins should see us safe
Where are the 2 wins going to come from though Boggers? Can't see us getting anything from Derby, maybe a point against Millwall. 
Our away form is that bad we can't bank on getting anything from Barnsley and Burton and that leaves us with Wolves and Forest at home.
I have a feeling it may go all the way to the Forest game.
Our only hope is that Barnsley plays worse than we do.

Sluffy

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Dear God plenty of headless chickens about!

If we had avoided the loss we would be clear favourites to stay up.

We are still in control of our destiny and have an easier run in than most.

Yet we get the knee jerkers demanding we sack Parkinson and put Lee and Kelly in charge, or play youth team strikers!  How laughable!

I’m always amazed at how many people watch football yet still don’t understand it.

You simply can’t chuck eleven players together at a professional level and expect them to be instantly successful.  Neither can you simply change the way a team plays unless you have the players who can play naturally in that way.

Teams are built from the back, we have a West Ham kid and hoofers in Beevers and Wheater, so do people honestly expect our current set of defenders to suddenly be able and competent to play and build from the back?

It’s fairly obvious that the centre backs need protection, hence the reason that we’ve had to play two defensive mids for most of the season.

So as we don’t have a natural playmaker in the middle of the pitch it really shouldn’t come as to much of a shock to expect our attack to come from crosses from the wing and/or hoofs from the defence, and that’s why we have so many wingers in the squad.

Since we signed Henry as our first proper defensive mid and until we sold Madine the set up worked really, really well.

Madine like him or not was the lynchpin to our squad and clearly we’ve obviously struggled without him.

Ameobi sort of plugged the gap for a while and for the lesser teams we still have to face such as Burton and Barnsley may well do again but we just have to jig things around for the other games. The Villa game showed the team spirit was high and the team was playing for Parkinson and that wouldn’t change just two games later.

It’s jaw dropping that we have moonmen posting about the psychie of the team and being overconfident based on what Iles posts in the local rag, I can only think someone has been playing too much Football Manager on his computer.

Football is a team game and players have to play as a team to be successful.  Parkinson has on the whole achieved this with the players he’s been given.

If anyone really thinks Parkinson actually tells the Andersons which players to sign then they really do need to give their heads a shake.

We aren’t going down if we keep calm but demanding we sack the manager and play like Barcelona isn’t realistic or helping anyone at all really is it?

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Sluffy wrote:Dear God plenty of headless chickens about!

If we had avoided the loss we would be clear favourites to stay up.

We are still in control of our destiny and have an easier run in than most.

Yet we get the knee jerkers demanding we sack Parkinson and put Lee and Kelly in charge, or play youth team strikers!  How laughable!

I’m always amazed at how many people watch football yet still don’t understand it.


What a load of condescending shite.

It's easy to look at things "rationally" when you haven't been near the Reebok/Macron this century. You treat football like you treat doing your taxes or weeding the garden. Without any passion.

I don't believe anyone who attended last night left the ground shrugging their shoulders thinking:

sluffy wrote:You simply can’t chuck eleven players together at a professional level and expect them to be instantly successful.  Neither can you simply change the way a team plays unless you have the players who can play naturally in that way.

Most people, no all people, would have been slagging off the players for a spineless performance and the manager for a tactically inept 90 minutes.

Make all the excuses you want sluffy, but players not being able to control a ball and pass it 5 yards is nothing to do with how long a team has played together or how much they cost. It's fucking basics!! I bet there are pub league players there with more composure on the ball than Beevers or Derik or Twatface.

I tell you what, stop lecturing us thick bastards about the art of football and get off your arse to actually attend a game. Then come on here and post your condescending bollocks after you've just witnessed Beevers hoof the ball into the Asda car park for the tenth time.

Bellend.

T.R.O.Y


Tony Kelly
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Fair Nat, had I been there I’d be more pissed off - absolutely no doubt that last night wasn’t good enough by anyone’s standards. 

On Martins point that Noone or Karacan would make a difference, you’re clutching at straws. Those players haven’t done anything in the last 3 years of their careers to suggest they could make a difference in this division. It makes no sense.

Parkinson’s performance was poor last night, bad selection and tactics. But over the course of the season to have this squad of shite out of the relegation zone is, at this point, a good performance. He needs to get them in gear again fast though, if we play like we did last night we’re down.



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karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
A bit harsh that Nat...

T.R.O.Y


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
karlypants wrote:A bit harsh that Nat...

Climb out Karly.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
karlypants wrote:A bit harsh that Nat...

Climb out KP.

The head of the site brands the people using his site "headless chickens" and "clueless".

Grow a pair.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Beat me to it. Great minds and all that....

karlypants

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::FU:: ::FU:: ::FU:: ::FU:: ::FU::

Sluffy

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You do realise that you have just said that I was talking rationally whilst you and others were not!

You also back up my point as to how Parkinson (or any other manager) would basically have to set up the team whilst we only have the likes of Beevers and Whater as our senior central defenders.

Of course we are all gutted that we lost and played poorly but we don’t have many quality players in our side these days and are doing well just to be out of the relegation zone which by rights in terms of money spent on the squad, we are ranked bottom of the division.

As for being a better fan than me for going to games then bully for you.  I’ve done my share over the years and seen enough to know how football works, which clearly plenty who go or who are sat in their armchair clearly haven’t got the foggiest of, or otherwise wouldn’t post up such continual stupidity such as sacking the manager at this stage in the season whilst still being outside the relegation zone with our destiny still in our own hands!

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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I'm not saying I'm a better fan, I'm saying you're out of order criticising people for showing a bit of passion. And for having an opinion different to yours.

Parky got it wrong big time last night, I won't be told differently by someone who wasn't there.

wessy

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Andy Walker
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MartinBWFC wrote:
Hip Priest wrote:It's hard to criticise a manager who got us promoted automatically from league 1 on a shoestring budget when we were in crisis, but even last season I got the feeling he was out of his depth and we got promoted despite having him as manager rather than because of it. His one and only tactic seems to be hoofball (something Bradford fans also accused him of despite taking them to a cup final).
 
Exactly, his inability to adapt to Madines sale tells us all we need to know, he's a league 1-2 manager at best, and even if we go down I'd want him gone, I feel there are a lot better managers out there that can have us playing better, hopefully there will be investment in the Summer and we can finally start to move forward, and Parkinson will be nothing but a bad memory.

We are all angry after that shite last night, but your talking without actually taking in the facts.

Since Madine left we have won 13 points the return per game is better than when Madine played. So yes he as adapted and no one brought this up after the Villa game? The one reason that you are searching for is that at this stage the players still believe in the manager, so we will stick with PP.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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wessy wrote:The one reason that you are searching for is that at this stage the players still believe in the manager, so we will stick with PP.

How do you know?

doffcocker

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Ivan Campo
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If we're all being really honest, we've played nearly as bad - if not as bad - as we did last night in numerous matches that we've won.

Our home form has been pretty good, yet how many matches have you actually enjoyed watching? Most of the wins have been dull 1-0 types where we've scored from the one or two chances we've created all match. It's only when we lose that everyone starts picking the bones out of everything Parky does, but when you play as negatively as we do you're basically just relying on scraps of luck.

It's really easy for fans to say we don't have to play ugly to win. Personally I think with the hand Parky's been dealt, a lot of managers would have had us out of sight by now when actually we're still in with a chance of staying up.

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Tony Kelly
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doffcocker wrote:Personally I think with the hand Parky's been dealt, a lot of managers would have had us out of sight by now when actually we're still in with a chance of staying up.

:clap:

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Andy Walker
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Natasha Whittam wrote:I'm not saying I'm a better fan, I'm saying you're out of order criticising people for showing a bit of passion. And for having an opinion different to yours.

Parky got it wrong big time last night, I won't be told differently by someone who wasn't there.

The problem is in the statistics... no shots on target... exactly our problem in the first 11 games.

Bollotom2014

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Tony Kelly
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If we can get those wins. We really are in desperate straits at pres and it wouldn't do any harm to chuck one or two of the U23s scoring youngsters for a couple of games. We could see how they perform in the senior team and if they can score goals. It's proven that none of the present team are scoring except in a haphazard fashion based a lot on luck rather than skill. Barnsley have a game in hand and I can't help thinking that we'll draw with them and they'll draw their game in hand but we'll go down on goal difference, such is our luck. Used to be exciting watching Bolton, but now it's frightening.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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doffcocker wrote:a lot of managers would have had us out of sight by now when actually we're still in with a chance of staying up.

That doesn't even make sense.

wessy

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Andy Walker
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Natasha Whittam wrote:
wessy wrote:The one reason that you are searching for is that at this stage the players still believe in the manager, so we will stick with PP.

How do you know?

Because it's obvious due to the results since September perhaps.

boltonbonce

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The last time we scored more than one goal in a game was December. It's a worry.

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Tony Kelly
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boltonbonce wrote:The last time we scored more than one goal in a game was December. It's a worry.

Jesus, that is poor. Fin’s concern over goal scorers coming to fruition.

Sluffy

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People still don’t seem to grasp it, we have to set the side up to protect the likes of Wheater, Bevers, Dervite and the young West Ham lad because most of them have been found wanting at Championship level.

This in turn as meant two defensive midfielders playing to protect the space in front of them and restrict the opposition directly attacking our goal through the centre. The idea being that the opponents will instead attack down the wings and throw crosses in that Wheater, Beevers, etc can cope better with.

Non of the centrebacks we have possibly apart from Burke have the skill to play the ball out of defence which in turn means the escape ball is often the hoof up field, irrespective of if it goes to one of our players or not.

We therefore have seven players basically committed to defensive duties (keeper, back four, two defensive mids) whether we want to or not (and whether  Parkinson is the manager or someone else is).

So we are left with just four players to provide any sort of attacking mid field and our striker force.

We don’t have a playmaker of any description to drive us forward from midfield with killer passes so  we have to attack down the wings and/or making the best of winning and controlling the hoofs from the defence.

That’s why a big target man who could hold up play until one or two of the midfielders could get up to support them was/is crucial to how we have to play.

Hence why Madine worked for us and Wilbraham is thrown on so often as sub because that’s all we have in the squad in that mold and why playing Alf or Clough there simply doesn’t work so well.

If we have one of the kids who can play that role then I’ve no doubt he would have been given a try by now but I strongly suspect we don’t and that is why they haven’t.  Do people seriously think Wheater with his lack of mobility and the touch of a cart horse could do the job because I don’t.

What I’m saying is we could have Messi playing up front for us but we would still struggle to score if the rest of the team can’t deliver the ball to him in such a way as he can use it effectively and get up the pitch to support him and give him options.

We are stuck with the players we have, if you forgive me for stating the obvious.

Yes we could play a more attacking side with say Morais, Vela, Karacan and Noone playing midfield and Ameobi and Alf (or Clough) up front but we did more or less that for our first nine games at the start of the season and managed just two points because Wheater and Beevers simply were not good enough to cope in defence without having protected cover in front of them.

It’s not really difficult to grasp why we play like we do with the lack of quality of players that we have, which in turn leads to our lack of creating goal scoring opportunities, and consequently the reason we don’t have the flexibility to shift our tactics about much.

It seems to me having Pratley fit and alongside Henry in the team gives us more energy and movement to the side when we attack is a big thing for us that we have missed in our last two games.  Possibly swap Noone on the left wing instead of Buckley and maybe tinker about to bring Morais in and that is about as good as it gets for us.

Perhaps Parkinson might go back to having a back three for away matches to fit Morais as the right wing back and maybe have Robinson as the left one but we will still need to have the bulk of the side concentrating on defence because Beevers, Wheater, Burke etc can’t hack it without two defensive mids shielding them.

It’s all fairly easy to see and understand really.

wanderlust

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Stuffy wrote:
It’s jaw dropping that we have moonmen posting about the psychie of the team and being overconfident based on what Iles posts in the local rag, I can only think someone has been playing too much Football Manager on his computer.
Moonmen (plural)/his (singular) - am I now being used as justification for this idiots illogical condescending bollocks?

That'll teach me to express concerns, regardless of whether or not they turn out to be true. 

Clearly there's no place for speculation and opinion on Stuffy's site unless it is in full agreement with Der Fuhrer.

finlaymcdanger

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T.R.O.Y wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:The last time we scored more than one goal in a game was December. It's a worry.

Jesus, that is poor. Fin’s concern over goal scorers coming to fruition.

Sluffy set me straight on that though and he's assured me that we'll be ok without scoring any goals.

My concern about Gary Monk taking over at Birmingham was dismissed too so nothing to worry about there either.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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finlaymcdanger wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:The last time we scored more than one goal in a game was December. It's a worry.

Jesus, that is poor. Fin’s concern over goal scorers coming to fruition.

Sluffy set me straight on that though and he's assured me that we'll be ok without scoring any goals.

My concern about Gary Monk taking over at Birmingham was dismissed too so nothing to worry about there either.
...or Barnsley's upturn in form. Still at least we're all back "on message".
TBH none of this will be relevant after we thrash Derby and neither Brum nor Burton get the points when they play each other on Saturday.
Stroll in the park.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
finlaymcdanger wrote:Sluffy set me straight on that though and he's assured me that we'll be ok without scoring any goals.

My concern about Gary Monk taking over at Birmingham was dismissed too so nothing to worry about there either.

lol!

MartinBWFC

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El Hadji Diouf
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wanderlust wrote:Moonmen (plural)/his (singular) - am I now being used as justification for this idiots illogical condescending bollocks?

That'll teach me to express concerns, regardless of whether or not they turn out to be true. 

Clearly there's no place for speculation and opinion on Stuffy's site unless it is in full agreement with Der Fuhrer.
Don't you get it yet? anybody disagreeing with sluffy is clearly a moonman. Very Happy

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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I'm not getting involved.

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