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1 Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 13:33

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Any preference? I cant decide due to Fury's lay off plus i think if Vlad had let his punches go he would have got fury out of there and wilder never stops throwing bombs so he should be my obvious pick but i have nagging doubts that said i like Fury over AJ easy if it ever happens and Wilder to do the same. Fury couldn't hack the Big Bear camp  because of stamina problems inc breathing so they took him down to start another camp not good i think against an athletic punching machine that does not tire at all and has a good recovery and solid chin. I guess i'm talking myself into a Wilder victory by KO but.......

2 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 14:04

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Fury needed a few more fights before he went in with Wilder but Fury is a very awkward fighter and will cause Wilder some problems. I remember Ortiz should really have finished off Wilder when they fought but Wilder came back to win. I can see the same happening again so will go with Wilder with a late stoppage.

3 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 14:06

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Wilder in three.

4 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 15:15

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I get the impression fury is only after the money as he has said he does not really give a toss about the money which says to me he does, but then he seems to want to stick it to AJ by winning?? a very complicated man. Wilder says he is fighting for his sick daughters future and is only motivated by that which is money again, they both say they want to unify the titles, who want's it more that's the question i think or maybe Wilders punch power makes it irrelevent would not put any money on this fight.

5 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 15:29

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Fury is actually three years younger than Wilder, which makes it quite an unusual contest as such, usually it is an 'older' boxer trying to make some sort of a comeback, in fact the only instance I can think of where a boxer in his prime and at the top of his profession took a career break other than for doping or injury, is Muhammad Ali back in 1960's - and similar to Fury he took a two fight comeback before taking on the then World Champion - Joe Frazier, whom he lost to.

It's logical to think the same will happen again here but Fury somehow seems defy logic!

I guess there is a whiff of possible drug issues with him and clearly it was very odd behaviour of his following the Klitschko fight but he does spice up the heavyweight division with his return.

He certainly surprised Klitschko to beat him and I've got a nagging feeling he's going to do the same here against Wilder.

Clearly Wilder's camp have taken on the fight because they think it is a nailed on win and boxing does end up with some very strange a dubious results, which if Fury wins will probably be seen as such, so I'm going against my own common sense and sticking my neck out and predicting a Tyson Fury win!

6 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Nov 26 2018, 15:40

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@Angry Dad wrote:I get the impression fury is only after the money as he has said he does not really give a toss about the money which says to me he does, but then he seems to want to stick it to AJ by winning?? a very complicated man. Wilder says he is fighting for his sick daughters future and is only motivated by that which is money again, they both say they want to unify the titles, who want's it more that's the question i think or maybe Wilders punch power makes it irrelevent would not put any money on this fight.

Fury has always made it clear he was only in boxing for the money, although as this article states he doesn't care much for it. He is very much a contradiction to himself and the article was written about his battle with his demons long before he fought Klitschko and his subsequent break from boxing -

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/tyson-fury-interview-god-and-the-devil-temptation-money-and-sweets-the-fearsome-world-of-fury-10071077.html#r3z-addoor





7 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Nov 27 2018, 10:26

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I'm sure i heard this morning that Fury was donating all his money from this fight to charity?

8 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Nov 27 2018, 16:02

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It looks to me that Fury still isn't quite right mentally for this fight there is too much going on inside his head. You can't give all that money away after all that training. I do lean a little in favour of a points win for him if pushed but i can see no escape for that large head of his if he gets stunned Wilder will not let him off.This fight could be great for him or an absolute disaster.I think Wilder has more to prove he gets a raw deal from critics for such an exciting finisher.

9 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Nov 27 2018, 19:32

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Wilder will moider him.

10 Re: Wilder v Fury on Thu Nov 29 2018, 15:02

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Maybe a load of bollox but apparently Fury has discussed the possibility of going for a 1st round ko on Wilder seems he's a bit anxious about a long fight his trainer said maybe not a good idea but why not!!

11 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 06:45

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Great fight tif. God knows how Fury got back up in the 12th to hold out for a deserved draw.

12 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 11:17

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Very pleased for Fury - an amazing comeback for him (shades of Lance Armstrong return from cancer - hopefully without the drugs!).

I didn't see the fight it was on about 4.30am over here but I think Fury's promoter summed up the match by saying despite it being a home town jury and despite being knocked down twice - they STILL give him the draw - implying that Fury probably would have been given the win any place else!

For my money Fury is again top dog of the heavyweights and there are now some great match up's to look forward to, including a couple of upcoming British boxers Joe Joyce and Daniel Dubois, plus Dillian Whyte and the erratic Derek Chisora.

Fun times again for boxing!


13 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 12:02

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Never mind the Judges where was the ref when Fury hit the deck very late start to the count Wilder robbed in my view.

14 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 12:07

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@Angry Dad wrote:Never mind the Judges where was the ref when Fury hit the deck very late start to the count Wilder robbed in my view.

The refs don't do the count - a ringside official (timekeeper) starts it when a boxer hits the deck, and he counts the seconds strictly from his stopwatch - the ref just picks up the count from them.

I thought you would have known that?

15 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 12:13

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A good fight  Fury controlled it until the 9th.  How he got up in the 12th was Undertaker like (WWE)



Should have been Fury's victory.  The scorecard from the Rochen was ridiculous  115-111 with Wilder getting the first 4 rounds is laughable.

16 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 17:02

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Great fight and in a weird way a draw was prob fair. Wilder was closet to winning, Fury never looked like KOing him at any stage but was better overall, hence why I think draw fair result.

I'm a bit out of touch with boxing, and so I may be stating the obvious, but I think these 2 would both batter AJ.

17 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 17:53

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Fury goes down at 45 and gets up at 57 do the math.

18 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 18:33

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@Angry Dad wrote:Fury goes down at 45 and gets up at 57 do the math.

I don't need to do the maths.

The referee does not keep the count - the official timekeeper does.

It's basic stuff that if you really follow boxing you would know.


19 Re: Wilder v Fury on Sun Dec 02 2018, 18:54

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I got up early to watch the fight, and was sorry I had.

After seeing quite a few of the greats in my time, this pair of planks simply don't cut it.

20 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Dec 03 2018, 16:53

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I’m with BTID and Rusty on this. Fury basically stopped Wilder from doing anything until the 9th and the two knockdowns were far too late to turnover the scorecard
However Bonce has a fair point inasmuch that it was all too buddy buddy compared to the classic battles.
And with another payday to come for both I just hope that someone does something to restore a bit of competitiveness for the heavyweight division.

21 Re: Wilder v Fury on Mon Dec 03 2018, 20:38

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I take my hat off to Fury because I thought Wilder would be too quick and strong for him but I was wrong. Credit where it is due for getting up from that brutal knockdown in the 12th because he was clearly out cold for a few seconds. A rematch and another tasty payday will no doubt be on the cards for both fighters and the winner can then take on AJ so he can win all the belts.

22 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 11:01

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@Sluffy wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Fury goes down at 45 and gets up at 57 do the math.

I don't need to do the maths.

The referee does not keep the count - the official timekeeper does.

It's basic stuff that if you really follow boxing you would know
If i really follow boxing?? you sanctimonious prat, i used to box and i don't need you to tell me anything, that count was dodgy at best it took that ref time to get down and start a late count is what i am saying and from the time fury hit the deck and got up it was well over 10 seconds he got a lucky break.

23 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 11:52

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@Angry Dad wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:Fury goes down at 45 and gets up at 57 do the math.

I don't need to do the maths.

The referee does not keep the count - the official timekeeper does.

It's basic stuff that if you really follow boxing you would know
If i really follow boxing?? you sanctimonious prat, i used to box and i don't need you to tell me anything, that count was dodgy at best it took that ref time to get down and start a late count is what i am saying and from the time fury hit the deck and got up it was well over 10 seconds he got a lucky break.

I know what you are saying but the ref could have gone for a cup of tea and a cigarette whilst the count was on because he's not the one that matters - it's the timekeeper that officiates on this.

Similarly the referee has no say in the marking of the fight, three 'independent' judges are agreed to score the fight by both boxers sides prior to the fight.

Both these things are done to prevent the referee having a direct influence on the fight as did happen in the past.

It's school boy stuff this and something everybody who follows boxing would know.

24 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 11:59

boltonbonce

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From the time he went down, to the fight continuing took 22 seconds.

25 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 14:19

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But if the ref had started the count on the exact moment he hit the canvas there wouldn’t be another rematch/ payday for either of them or their backers so obviously they weren’t going to let that happen.

26 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 14:52

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@wanderlust wrote:But if the ref had started the count on the exact moment he hit the canvas there wouldn’t be another rematch/ payday for either of them or their backers so obviously they weren’t going to let that happen.

The ref doesn't do the count you nutjob!

He relays it from the official timekeeper.

How difficult is that to understand?

And if even if Fury was counted out, the whole of the boxing world would have been clamouring for a rematch, knowing that Fury was winning the fight up to the time!

27 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 15:08

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@Sluffy wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:But if the ref had started the count on the exact moment he hit the canvas there wouldn’t be another rematch/ payday for either of them or their backers so obviously they weren’t going to let that happen.

The ref doesn't do the count you nutjob!

He relays it from the official timekeeper.

How difficult is that to understand?

And if even if Fury was counted out, the whole of the boxing world would have been clamouring for a rematch, knowing that Fury was winning the fight up to the time!
Sorreeeeeeeeeee. 

If the ref had started to relay the count then.

Who gives a shit? The point is the same dickhead.

28 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 15:24

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@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:But if the ref had started the count on the exact moment he hit the canvas there wouldn’t be another rematch/ payday for either of them or their backers so obviously they weren’t going to let that happen.

The ref doesn't do the count you nutjob!

He relays it from the official timekeeper.

How difficult is that to understand?

And if even if Fury was counted out, the whole of the boxing world would have been clamouring for a rematch, knowing that Fury was winning the fight up to the time!
Sorreeeeeeeeeee. 

If the ref had started to relay the count then.

Who gives a shit? The point is the same dickhead.

It's not the same though is it!

A Wilder KO and Fury's winning performance to that point would have created a HUGE demand for a rematch - but now Wilder is more than likely going to avoid Fury knowing that he was a beaten man until that one punch - and he's also seen now that Fury can take his best shot and still get up off the canvass.

In fact NOT being KO-ed makes a rematch very much more unlikely now in the near future, whilst a KO would created a huge public demand for one - the exact opposite of what you were saying!

29 Re: Wilder v Fury on Tue Dec 04 2018, 15:53

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Did I say dickhead? Sorry I meant to say cockwomble.

30 Re: Wilder v Fury on Wed Dec 05 2018, 16:40

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Well they have just shown the timekeepers clock and Fury did not beat the count Wilder ko'd him,on the 10 secs mark Fury is still on the deck.

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