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Unpaid Bolton players eyeing exit in January transfer window as club's financial turmoil continues

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Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Could be utter bollocks (it's in the Daily Fail so is more than possible), but good luck to our shower of shite players looking to find another club after their performances this year

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MartinBWFC

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Frank Worthington
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Who the fuck would want any of them apart from maybe the Pole?

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Who the fuck would want any of them apart from maybe the Pole?
Oh I don't know. Buckley might get a job on the bins. Although keeping up with the lorry might be a problem.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.
You've just described Cecil.

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.
 moan, moan bloody moan

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David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Who the fuck would want any of them apart from maybe the Pole?
Ken would probably be willing to let some go. If Windschutt wants, Ken would probably do 3 laps around the stadium.

Interesting he wasn't at the match.

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Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.
You've just described Cecil.
Excellent retort!

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.
You've just described Cecil.
Excellent retort!
Nat will describe it as bullery. Very Happy
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karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Shit thread title. I prefer short and snappy.
You've just described Cecil.

Laughing

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Disgusting bullery.

Nigelbwfc


David Lee
David Lee
Reckon if the players put transfer requests in, whether  that would force Kens hand into administration?

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reckon if the players put transfer requests in, whether  that would force Kens hand into administration?

I don't understand your point, why would it?

The players are still under contract - transfer request submitted or not.

If they refused to play I guess he would have the right to terminate their contracts and save on their wages.

I don't think many of them would attract any significant bids from other clubs - after all most of them came as out of contract or loans.

Maybe by them refusing to play would make the team weaker - but we are near the bottom of the table already with them in the side anyway!.

Also what is the benefit to Anderson taking the club into Administration, surely the club is worth more to him not being in Administration?

Nigelbwfc


David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reckon if the players put transfer requests in, whether  that would force Kens hand into administration?

I don't understand your point, why would it?

The players are still under contract - transfer request submitted or not.

If they refused to play I guess he would have the right to terminate their contracts and save on their wages.

I don't think many of them would attract any significant bids from other clubs - after all most of them came as out of contract or loans.

Maybe by them refusing to play would make the team weaker - but we are near the bottom of the table already with them in the side anyway!.

Also what is the benefit to Anderson taking the club into Administration, surely the club is worth more to him not being in Administration?
A groundswell of unrest might be too difficult to ignore. If the agents can get other clubs interested, then Ken has to use what little money he'll get from transfers and then he'll be forced to either use youngsters and find other frees.

Parkinson would surely leave and he might find the pressure of trying to hold it together too much.

Logically he can ride it out, but would he be able to with the crowd turning on him and the club in a worse position? Not certain about that.

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reckon if the players put transfer requests in, whether  that would force Kens hand into administration?

I don't understand your point, why would it?

The players are still under contract - transfer request submitted or not.

If they refused to play I guess he would have the right to terminate their contracts and save on their wages.

I don't think many of them would attract any significant bids from other clubs - after all most of them came as out of contract or loans.

Maybe by them refusing to play would make the team weaker - but we are near the bottom of the table already with them in the side anyway!.

Also what is the benefit to Anderson taking the club into Administration, surely the club is worth more to him not being in Administration?
A groundswell of unrest might be too difficult to ignore. If the agents can get other clubs interested, then Ken has to use what little money he'll get from transfers and then he'll be forced to either use youngsters and find other frees.

Parkinson would surely leave and he might find the pressure of trying to hold it together too much.

Logically he can ride it out, but would he be able to with the crowd turning on him and the club in a worse position? Not certain about that.

No, I understand your concern but I believe there is no basis in your fear.

Firstly I don't believe there to be any substance whatsoever in the story - Christ Iles would be all over it if there was.

I also even have my suspicion that the story was 'planted' to create more widespread negative views of the club - the author of this 'exclusive' stated that a 'source' told him of the players allegedly unrest - The author himself does not report on the club - his work is involved in stories on United and City - so his 'source' is more likely to be from someone outside of the playing staff (and agents - not many of our players are likely on their way to the Manchester clubs - or them to us), so for my money the source is more than likely to be someone on the media side.

The story itself (even if it was true) is hardly something of interest to the national press, so it's more likely he's run the story as a favour to someone else rather than he himself looking to become the sports investigative journalist of the year.

So who could this source be?

Well Iles and the author are certainly known to each other - they both follow each other on twitter and the author was a couple of years back the north west football reporter for the paper.

Ok I'm certainly not accusing Iles of anything but it seems to me he has a motive (he clearly has an agenda against Anderson) and an opportunity (there is a factual link between him and the author - and the author himself isn't in the business of writing about BWFC - so why did he bother to act on something he clearly had no direct link or involvement to?

Anyway enough of my conspiracy opinion.

Back on topic, players are guaranteed their wages under the Football Creditors rule and the financial backing of the EFL and their PFA - so financially they are never going to miss out.  Even if all our players found new clubs in January and left, we still would sign relatively better players than those of our academy - Connor Hall isn't even a regular in the Accrington team I believe for instance.  If Blackpool under the Oystens can still field a team of professional footballers, so could we.

I think if Parkinson had wanted to leave he would have done so by now.

The real concern is the shit stirring of Iles and the ST turning the crowd against him.

I've posted up KA's reply to Iles today and as usual he's come out fighting although I read between the lines that he's getting a bit sick of it all now.

I think if he can get to a point where he can sell the club for an amount that will satisfy him he will do - so all of these stories about unreasonable demands are clearly bollocks (Anderson pisses off bloke who has £3.2 billion over valuing the club by a few hundred thousand/million more than he wants to pay - laughable - like saying I wouldn't sell £10 million Sluffy Towers because I wanted a further fiver more than they were prepared to offer!).

I'm certain despite Iles and the lynch mob, that the players wages will be paid tomorrow, than the club is financially sound to get into January and by then anything could have happened for the best.

No need to panic (or do a lynching) just yet.

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The fans need to get off Parky's back.

Anderson is the problem

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The fans need to get off Parky's back.

Anderson is the problem
 Spoken like a man who hasn't actually seen us play for years. Try having a season ticket and watching the shite we serve up every game and come back and tell me it's nothing to do with Parky.

Welcome back by the way  Very Happy

Ten Bobsworth


David Lee
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Reckon if the players put transfer requests in, whether  that would force Kens hand into administration?

I don't understand your point, why would it?

The players are still under contract - transfer request submitted or not.

If they refused to play I guess he would have the right to terminate their contracts and save on their wages.

I don't think many of them would attract any significant bids from other clubs - after all most of them came as out of contract or loans.

Maybe by them refusing to play would make the team weaker - but we are near the bottom of the table already with them in the side anyway!.

Also what is the benefit to Anderson taking the club into Administration, surely the club is worth more to him not being in Administration?
A groundswell of unrest might be too difficult to ignore. If the agents can get other clubs interested, then Ken has to use what little money he'll get from transfers and then he'll be forced to either use youngsters and find other frees.

Parkinson would surely leave and he might find the pressure of trying to hold it together too much.

Logically he can ride it out, but would he be able to with the crowd turning on him and the club in a worse position? Not certain about that.

No, I understand your concern but I believe there is no basis in your fear.

Firstly I don't believe there to be any substance whatsoever in the story - Christ Iles would be all over it if there was.

I also even have my suspicion that the story was 'planted' to create more widespread negative views of the club - the author of this 'exclusive' stated that a 'source' told him of the players allegedly unrest - The author himself does not report on the club - his work is involved in stories on United and City - so his 'source' is more likely to be from someone outside of the playing staff (and agents - not many of our players are likely on their way to the Manchester clubs - or them to us), so for my money the source is more than likely to be someone on the media side.

The story itself (even if it was true) is hardly something of interest to the national press, so it's more likely he's run the story as a favour to someone else rather than he himself looking to become the sports investigative journalist of the year.

So who could this source be?

Well Iles and the author are certainly known to each other - they both follow each other on twitter and the author was a couple of years back the north west football reporter for the paper.

Ok I'm certainly not accusing Iles of anything but it seems to me he has a motive (he clearly has an agenda against Anderson) and an opportunity (there is a factual link between him and the author - and the author himself isn't in the business of writing about BWFC - so why did he bother to act on something he clearly had no direct link or involvement to?

Anyway enough of my conspiracy opinion.

Back on topic, players are guaranteed their wages under the Football Creditors rule and the financial backing of the EFL and their PFA - so financially they are never going to miss out.  Even if all our players found new clubs in January and left, we still would sign relatively better players than those of our academy - Connor Hall isn't even a regular in the Accrington team I believe for instance.  If Blackpool under the Oystens can still field a team of professional footballers, so could we.

I think if Parkinson had wanted to leave he would have done so by now.

The real concern is the shit stirring of Iles and the ST turning the crowd against him.

I've posted up KA's reply to Iles today and as usual he's come out fighting although I read between the lines that he's getting a bit sick of it all now.

I think if he can get to a point where he can sell the club for an amount that will satisfy him he will do - so all of these stories about unreasonable demands are clearly bollocks (Anderson pisses off bloke who has £3.2 billion over valuing the club by a few hundred thousand/million more than he wants to pay - laughable - like saying I wouldn't sell £10 million Sluffy Towers because I wanted a further fiver more than they were prepared to offer!).

I'm certain despite Iles and the lynch mob, that the players wages will be paid tomorrow, than the club is financially sound to get into January and by then anything could have happened for the best.

No need to panic (or do a lynching) just yet.
I agree Sluffy. This story reeks and we know where most of the foul-smelling stuff comes from. Its totally irresponsible but Ken Anderson can no more stop it than ED could.

Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:The fans need to get off Parky's back.

Anderson is the problem
 Spoken like a man who hasn't actually seen us play for years. Try having a season ticket and watching the shite we serve up every game and come back and tell me it's nothing to do with Parky.

Welcome back by the way  Very Happy

Thanks.

I wouldn't go and watch the shite served up by Ken Anderson even if I was paid a handsome sum.

Sluffy

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I see the bloke who wrote the above article and mate of Iles - Mike Keegan - as tweeted this totally impartial and highly professionally journalistic comment just an hour or so ago -

So the PFA are now helping Bolton pay the wages. Last year, the club’s owner paid himself £525,000. Outrageous.

Rolling Eyes

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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Not sure a nobody from Twitter’s opinion is what matters here.

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The PFA will speak to senior players at Bolton Wanderers this morning to see if they will be required to provide financial assistance towards wages during the current turmoil.

Frustration in the Whites’ camp is high after players and coaching staff have been left waiting for their November salary by under-fire club owner Ken Anderson.

A pledge to pay by Thursday was not honoured and the players’ union could now organise loans to help bail the club out.

The Wanderers squad will travel by coach to an away fixture at Norwich City this morning, stopping for a training session en route.

Reports suggesting members of staff could go on strike have been vehemently denied within the camp and preparations will continue for the match at Carrow Road as normal, despite another unwanted distraction.

Anderson has come in for heavy criticism for his handling of the situation and penned a lengthy response on the club’s official website on Wednesday, blaming local media ‘negativity’ and a shortfall of 2,000 supporters for the plummet in cash-flow which has contributed to the problem.

Once the club pay a salary run they will also be obliged to pay tax and national insurance – and some sources suggest the due date of this payment could be linked to the delay.

Phil Parkinson tried hard to play down the problems at his weekly press conference yesterday but admitted the wage issues were “hardly ideal”.

“We are in regular dialogue with Ken and Paul Aldridge, and I had a good chat with him the other night to talk us through what is going on,” he said.

“I think there will be a positive resolution.

“I had a brief chat with the lads this morning to explain the situation but I have touched base with Ken and he is looking to sort it.”

Anderson claimed earlier this week that this was the first time the “majority” of players – many of whom were signed in the summer – had experienced pay problems at Bolton.

But while senior stars have been able to draw on savings, the hardest-hit are understood to be first year professionals, who have not had the same earning power.

A source told The Bolton News yesterday: “It’s not nice for any of us but the younger lads don’t have money saved up so it’s a big problem to them.”

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Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don't think any of the players will be on the breadline because of this but it doesn't help team morale does it?

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Tony Kelly
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Our players showed in summer that they want their money paying on time by going on strike.It's crazy that Ken told them he'd pay their November wages on Thursday but then didn't pay them.That is asking for trouble

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Not sure a nobody from Twitter’s opinion is what matters here.

He's Daily Mail's football news reporter.


Hipster_Nebula

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Millionaires getting "financial assistance" christ.

finlaymcdanger

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El Hadji Diouf
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Surely the club is in breach of contract and the players can walk if they haven't been paid? They'll no doubt all be on the lookout for new clubs in the January window but will need to receive offers before heading out, which I'm sure the majority will find difficult - especially in the Championship. Most of them will be better off sitting tight especially if they have been given guarantees of a quick resolution. It's all far from ideal but I don't think we can start blaming the performances on this situation. They're shit at this level and have ended up at Bolton, in it's current plight, for a reason. No one else wants them.

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Tony Kelly
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Surely the club is in breach of contract and the players can walk if they haven't been paid? They'll no doubt all be on the lookout for new clubs in the January window but will need to receive offers before heading out, which I'm sure the majority will find difficult - especially in the Championship. Most of them will be better off sitting tight especially if they have been given guarantees of a quick resolution. It's all far from ideal but I don't think we can start blaming the performances on this situation. They're shit at this level and have ended up at Bolton, in it's current plight, for a reason. No one else wants them.
Ken will pay good 3rd tier wages (thanks to the  revenue we generate) and we have got some decent 3rd tier players.We could do with the likes of Oztumer and Doidge staying next season because they should be good at the level below.

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Not sure a nobody from Twitter’s opinion is what matters here.

He's Daily Mail's football news reporter.



Why should he be impartial then? Journalists are paid to write their opinions.

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
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Players' union to provide partial wage bail out at Bolton

The PFA has stepped in with an emergency loan to ease the pay crisis at Wanderers.


It is understood around half of the outstanding money – £400,000 – will be paid into players’ accounts this morning.

The rest must be supplied by under-fire Bolton Wanderers owner Ken Anderson but should that payment not be made by December 14, this Friday, then playing contracts would become null and void and players could walk away for nothing.

Anderson, who has come in for heavy criticism of his handling of the situation, last week blamed a drop in attendances for the current cashflow problems, which meant he could not pay November salaries to players and coaching staff.

He has refused to comment on whether December’s salary could also be affected.

Under such circumstances, Parkinson was proud of his players’ performance at Norwich, despite an injury-time goal from Teemu Pukki meaning they left Carrow Road empty-handed.

“The perfect answer would have been a result,” he said. “Really, when you take the emotion out of it, in the cold light of day, Sammy got sent off and there’s 30 seconds to go, the ball goes into the box and we didn’t react quickly enough to the second ball.

“That’s what hurts more than anything. I should be stood here applauding the lads for the way they played against the top of the league.”

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