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271Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Mon Mar 11 2019, 23:53

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What are we going to argue about when the Brexit, Bolton, and Wander/Sluffy issues are resolved, although I very much doubt the latter will happen very soon ?
I have no problem with Sluffy other than he has consistently slagged me off for being suspicious of and questioning the ability of Ken Anderson as a fit and proper owner of BWFC.

Now if you think Anderson is a fit and proper owner of  BWFC then fair enough, but as it's a forum I feel I have the right to express my view that he isn't without receiving abuse for expressing it.

Forums are about expressing opinions and I've made mine clear from the start - unlike Sluffy who has tempered his as it became increasingly obvious that Anderson is not - and has abused his power as an administrator to delete threads that prove me right.

You've really lost the plot now.

I've deleted no threads or have ever abused my powers on this forum and this can easily be proved by Karly (who you clearly have issues with also) and BTID simply looking through the sites audit record of admin and mod actions.

I doubt very much if you even would be allowed to continue to post on any other forum after stating on several occasions that the site founder has mental health issues and severe personality defects!

I find you obnoxious and unpalatable at times but still allow you to have your say.

Not many others would ever be that tolerant of you.

272Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 00:15

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What are we going to argue about when the Brexit, Bolton, and Wander/Sluffy issues are resolved, although I very much doubt the latter will happen very soon ?
I have no problem with Sluffy other than he has consistently slagged me off for being suspicious of and questioning the ability of Ken Anderson as a fit and proper owner of BWFC.

Now if you think Anderson is a fit and proper owner of  BWFC then fair enough, but as it's a forum I feel I have the right to express my view that he isn't without receiving abuse for expressing it.

Forums are about expressing opinions and I've made mine clear from the start - unlike Sluffy who has tempered his as it became increasingly obvious that Anderson is not - and has abused his power as an administrator to delete threads that prove me right.

You've really lost the plot now.

I've deleted no threads or have ever abused my powers on this forum and this can easily be proved by Karly (who you clearly have issues with also) and BTID simply looking through the sites audit record of admin and mod actions.

I doubt very much if you even would be allowed to continue to post on any other forum after stating on several occasions that the site founder has mental health issues and severe personality defects!

I find you obnoxious and unpalatable at times but still allow you to have your say.

Not many others would ever be that tolerant of you.
You keep banging on about this bit where according to you I said you had mental health issues and severe personality defects so you obviously have a problem with it. Sorry to have touched a nerve but you've mentioned it on 8 or 9 occasions to try to give the impression that I am unreasonable whereas you are the voice of sanity and get the sympathy of those who have a neutral opinion on these matters.

Show us the EXACT text again then and let us all make our own minds up about whether I actually said you have mental health issues and severe personality defects or merely made a humourous remark (in the same way you call me a moonman and question my concerns as if I had expressed them as fact on a regular basis)

Because you know you are lying and that I never said that.

Or have you deleted that too?

Now grow up and man up or shut up.

273Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 00:41

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:What are we going to argue about when the Brexit, Bolton, and Wander/Sluffy issues are resolved, although I very much doubt the latter will happen very soon ?
I have no problem with Sluffy other than he has consistently slagged me off for being suspicious of and questioning the ability of Ken Anderson as a fit and proper owner of BWFC.

Now if you think Anderson is a fit and proper owner of  BWFC then fair enough, but as it's a forum I feel I have the right to express my view that he isn't without receiving abuse for expressing it.

Forums are about expressing opinions and I've made mine clear from the start - unlike Sluffy who has tempered his as it became increasingly obvious that Anderson is not - and has abused his power as an administrator to delete threads that prove me right.

You've really lost the plot now.

I've deleted no threads or have ever abused my powers on this forum and this can easily be proved by Karly (who you clearly have issues with also) and BTID simply looking through the sites audit record of admin and mod actions.

I doubt very much if you even would be allowed to continue to post on any other forum after stating on several occasions that the site founder has mental health issues and severe personality defects!

I find you obnoxious and unpalatable at times but still allow you to have your say.

Not many others would ever be that tolerant of you.
You keep banging on about this bit where according to you I said you had mental health issues and severe personality defects so you obviously have a problem with it. Sorry to have touched a nerve but you've mentioned it on 8 or 9 occasions to try to give the impression that I am unreasonable whereas you are the voice of sanity and get the sympathy of those who have a neutral opinion on these matters.

Show us the EXACT text again then and let us all make our own minds up about whether I actually said you have mental health issues and severe personality defects or merely made a humourous remark (in the same way you call me a moonman and question my concerns as if I had expressed them as fact on a regular basis)

Because you know you are lying and that I never said that.

Or have you deleted that too?

Now grow up and man up or shut up.

Really!

I'm not wasting my time trawling through all of your posts to prove to you what you have said!

Others have read them and they know they exist and more importantly what you clearly meant or inferred.

I've not deleted anything, your posts are all still there if anybody including yourself want to go and look for them.

You are now openly calling me a liar and of abusing my position on this site.

I've no need to take your abuse so feel free to have a day off tomorrow and I think we both know were this is going to end if you persist in such infantile behaviour for much longer.

274Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 01:07

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The bloody club is falling apart and we should be focusing on the problem of the ownership and the managerial lack of results.  It doesn't behoove anyone to continue this rhetoric since no one here cares who said what to who while the club is in flames.  Let's pay attention to the real problem, not the slights some of us feel from others.  We may or may not have a match tomorrow night and let's get back to the club, not clubbing each other.  Parky out!  Anderson out!  Nat hasn't said a bad word in way too long and I would certainly entertain a BEL from her.  Let's get focused folks and try to get the club to stay up.

275Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 07:05

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
So Anderson told the players on Friday that he would pay the wages on Monday whether he sold the club or not, around comes Monday and he doesn't pay the wages.What a piece of shit Anderson is, its impossible to believe anything he comes out with although some of his fans used to hang on his every word.

276Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 08:43

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Many moons ago, on this very site, I described Anderson as a crook. Can't say I've changed my mind.

277Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 09:14

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

278Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 09:54

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

With Chorley?

279Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 10:26

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

With Chorley?

More likely Horwich RMI if they still exist

280Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 10:52

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:With Chorley?

In your dreams. Bolton couldn't even fill Victory Park.

281Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 10:56

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

With Chorley?

More likely Horwich RMI if they still exist

Horwich RMI moved to Leigh and changed their name to Leigh Genesis.

Things went bad for them and from being in the Conference as recently as ten years ago are now playing as an amateur team in a pub league based in Atherton!

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282Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Tue Mar 12 2019, 11:28

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

With Chorley?

More likely Horwich RMI if they still exist

Horwich RMI moved to Leigh and changed their name to Leigh Genesis.

Things went bad for them and from being in the Conference as recently as ten years ago are now playing as an amateur team in a pub league based in Atherton!

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How many years before we join them?

283Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 10:51

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: tid bit this morning new owners have been sounded out about a ground share. Strange one.

With Chorley?

More likely Horwich RMI if they still exist

Horwich RMI moved to Leigh and changed their name to Leigh Genesis.

Things went bad for them and from being in the Conference as recently as ten years ago are now playing as an amateur team in a pub league based in Atherton!

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Thanks Sluffy- you must have time on your hands! Any good at decorating? We'll pay good rates.

284Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 18:03

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Christ this is dragging on now.

Will it be finalised before the weekend?

285Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 18:29

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Christ this is dragging on now.

Will it be finalised before the weekend?
Iles saying it could now go on until next week, which could be perilous as the HMRC winding up order is next week.

286Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 18:54

Growler


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Hopefully Basran gave Ken some of his own medicine and reduced their offer today after the midweek results made relegation more nailed on.It will be a shitter for Ken if it drags on long enough for him to have to pay the wages again.

287Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 18:55

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Oh Martin you’re such a naive fool.

The club is in no danger of admin or liquidation, you fell for this last time when ken took over.. we were no where near admin or liquidation.

288Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 19:45

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
NIXON: strange one, barsan has been talking to Owen coyle about a potential return to Bolton if he takes over. Fancies him as a sporting director. Wants to get the fans on side early

289Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:06

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: strange one, barsan has been talking to Owen coyle about a potential return to Bolton if he takes over. Fancies him as a sporting director. Wants to get the fans on side early

Now that's the sort of post that won you "Bolton Banter Poster of the Year 2006".

290Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:11

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Coyle will drive more fans away than Parkinson

291Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:18

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Deary me

292Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:38

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
If that isa the case, I hope his financial decisions are better than footballing ones.

293Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:40

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: strange one, barsan has been talking to Owen coyle about a potential return to Bolton if he takes over. Fancies him as a sporting director. Wants to get the fans on side early

Now that's the sort of post that won you "Bolton Banter Poster of the Year 2006".

I haven't lost it nat.

294Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:45

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I never doubted it for a minute.

295Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Thu Mar 14 2019, 20:51

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:NIXON: strange one, barsan has been talking to Owen coyle about a potential return to Bolton if he takes over. Fancies him as a sporting director. Wants to get the fans on side early

Now that's the sort of post that won you "Bolton Banter Poster of the Year 2006".

Agreed!

It certainly made me laugh!

Very Happy

296Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Fri Mar 15 2019, 00:22

Sluffy

Sluffy
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So, as far as I can understand what is happening, it is -

KA can't sell without lien taken off shares.

Davies executer allowing KA to talk to Basran.

Deal close but Basran hasn't got all the money.

KA needs around £10 million minimum - to pay off the lien on the shares and around £2 million for himself.

HMRC winder next Wednesday.

No transfer of ownership whilst winder exists.

Only Burnden Leisure can pay off winder.

Even if Burnden Leisure can pay off HMRC, the winder still goes to court and any other outstanding creditor can be included on it even at this late stage (?).

Basran therefore needs to come to some agreement with all creditors to ensure no one asks for liquidation.

James aboard with Basran, Moonshift/Davies should not be a problem but KA (Inner Circle Investments) is also a creditor and could push for liquidation (in other words KA's leverage).

Winder could possibly be deferred to a later date (probably will if it came to it if both Basran and KA tell it that a deal is close) but seems on the face of it no money in the club to continue trading - so leverage for Team Basran.

It seems with creditors in agreement Basran could in effect lead a pre-pack Administration to take ownership of the club but if so needs to do it before the end of March 28th(?) for Administration points deduction to fall this season - otherwise we would start next season on minus 12 points.

The longer KA can keep going the stronger his hand gets nearer the end of March (assuming the points deduction falling into next season is a big issue to the new owners).

Seems KA holding out for someone (Basran, Davies, Other?) to give(?) him money to settle HMRC.

I guess this would be compounded if others add their claims to the winder also?

KA needs to balance between trading insolvently (in which case he becomes personally liable for debts) and holding on long enough to get paid what he considers acceptable to him.

Basran, Davies, others need to balance between paying KA what he will settle for, or inadvertently letting the club fall into liquidation.

Other possible solutions include Davies estate cutting Anderson out of the loop and claim back the shares ownership due to default - but time and possible legal challenges against this.

Another being a third party swoop in at last moment as liquidation is imminent (a bit like KA himself did) however James (in his position as a creditor) seems to be all in with Basran, so counting out any late new bids from others.

Clock ticking.

297Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Fri Mar 15 2019, 07:23

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Coyle will drive more fans away than Parkinson

Oh god

298Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Fri Mar 15 2019, 13:42

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
So the club is sold "in principle" subject to 500 ducks forming an orderly queue.

299Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Fri Mar 15 2019, 14:26

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Its worse than buying a house with a long chain !

300Club Future - Administration or bust? - Page 10 Empty Re: Club Future - Administration or bust? on Fri Mar 15 2019, 15:58

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Thanks for that summary Sluffy.

Some serious work and time spent on that.

We seem to be in a bit of a flux!!

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