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151CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 09:30

bryan458

bryan458
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly

152CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 14:25

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Labour inexorably moving onto a second referendum. That's Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens ,SNP, Plaid ,Sinn Fein the DUP, the UUP, Change and all the rest heading in that direction. The only ones going in the opposite direction are now the impotent, dysfunctional and utterly bereft Tories.
We're going to have a second referendum and undo the madness of leaving . Hooray!!!
Leavers, get over it -we're staying in the EU

153CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:03

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@rammywhite wrote:Labour inexorably moving onto a second referendum. That's Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens ,SNP, Plaid ,Sinn Fein the DUP, the UUP, Change and all the rest heading in that direction. The only ones going in the opposite direction are now the impotent, dysfunctional and utterly bereft Tories.
We're going to have a second referendum and undo the madness of leaving . Hooray!!!
Leavers, get over it -we're staying in the EU

:clap: :clap: :clap:

154CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:30

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Why would a second poll be any different?

155CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:31

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Oh dear ! Rammy, I had you down as a lot smarter than that  Smile There are many reasons why such a simplistic calculation may well be wrong. Its not just the Tories that have crumbled, but Labour as well. Each side is made up of both leavers and remainers, and the exact amount cannot be calculated enough to say what the outcome will be.
As for getting over it, that's applied to the remainers and their spoiling tactics since the Referendum.

156CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:33

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Why would a second poll be any different?

Because many Leavers have changed their mind to remain.

157CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:35

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Why would a second poll be any different?

Because people would know what they were voting for.

158CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:35

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote:Labour inexorably moving onto a second referendum. That's Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens ,SNP, Plaid ,Sinn Fein the DUP, the UUP, Change and all the rest heading in that direction. The only ones going in the opposite direction are now the impotent, dysfunctional and utterly bereft Tories.
We're going to have a second referendum and undo the madness of leaving . Hooray!!!
Leavers, get over it -we're staying in the EU

Deary, deary me. :facepalm:

159CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:41

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:Oh dear ! Rammy, I had you down as a lot smarter than that  Smile There are many reasons why such a simplistic calculation may well be wrong. Its not just the Tories that have crumbled, but Labour as well. Each side is made up of both leavers and remainers, and the exact amount cannot be calculated enough to say what the outcome will be.
As for getting over it, that's applied to the remainers and their spoiling tactics since the Referendum.

Nothing is certain but a 40.4/34.9 split is indicative of a majority in favour of staying in the EU. How the tory and labour voters would vote is hard to tell but if we do leave the EU I think another referendum on Scottish independence is likely. So Cameron has not only divided the country but also quite possibly broken the UK. Just to humour a few loonies in the tory party. Rolling Eyes

160CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:45

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@gloswhite wrote:Oh dear ! Rammy, I had you down as a lot smarter than that  Smile There are many reasons why such a simplistic calculation may well be wrong. Its not just the Tories that have crumbled, but Labour as well. Each side is made up of both leavers and remainers, and the exact amount cannot be calculated enough to say what the outcome will be.
As for getting over it, that's applied to the remainers and their spoiling tactics since the Referendum.
Glos-it was partly tongue in cheek to stir up the leavers to a state of mild apoplexy!

But a second referendum is  becoming a real possibility given the fact that nothing will get through parliament now ( the session is almost up for the year), because of personal fiefdoms and political party opposition to whatever the others say. 
But above all we can't have a no-deal exit as that looks like the alternative that we are facing now.

161CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:47

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@karlypants wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:Labour inexorably moving onto a second referendum. That's Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens ,SNP, Plaid ,Sinn Fein the DUP, the UUP, Change and all the rest heading in that direction. The only ones going in the opposite direction are now the impotent, dysfunctional and utterly bereft Tories.
We're going to have a second referendum and undo the madness of leaving . Hooray!!!
Leavers, get over it -we're staying in the EU

Deary, deary me. :facepalm:

KP
Please explain deary ,deary me in the context of the EU vote a couple of days ago!

162CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:48

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:Because people would know what they were voting for.

I think Leave would win again, by a bigger margin.

163CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 15:53

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Because people would know what they were voting for.

I think Leave would win again, by a bigger margin.

Vey much doubt it! But what do you and I know when we have brains like Hunt ,Gove, Thornberry.Farage and Kuennsberg telling us what we need to know

164CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 17:05

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Because people would know what they were voting for.

I think Leave would win again, by a bigger margin.

So you should be in favour of a second referendum then.

165CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 17:24

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:So you should be in favour of a second referendum then.

Why? We had vote and Leave won.

Are we now a nation that says best of 3?

Be honest, if Remain had narrowly won and there was talk of another referendum you'd be up in arms.

166CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 17:30

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:So you should be in favour of a second referendum then.

Why? We had vote and Leave won.

Are we now a nation that says best of 3?

Be honest, if Remain had narrowly won and there was talk of another referendum you'd be up in arms.

And now we know a damn sight more than we did then. Its not like choosing whether you want your eggs fried or scrambled. Its a major decision affecting this country for  decades to come and also future generations. So its not the best out of 3 - its a confirmatory vote. Lets see if the citizenship, now with a much clearer idea if what is involved still wants to go ahead to leave. Its called democracy- finding out the will of the people.
If Remain had won and there was talk about another referendum I wouldn't be up in arms, I'd accept it.
The reason leavers are so petrified of going back to the people is because they have a real and justified fear that the leave decision will be overturned.

167CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 17:44

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:So you should be in favour of a second referendum then.

Why? We had vote and Leave won.

Are we now a nation that says best of 3?

Be honest, if Remain had narrowly won and there was talk of another referendum you'd be up in arms.

In the first referendum we voted by a big margin to remain in the EU (67.2% in favour with a turnout of 64.0%) yet you have no problem with a second referendum reversing this decision. So what is the problem now? Your hero Farage certainly believed that a 52/48 decision was "unfinished business by a long way".

168CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 17:52

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:In the first referendum we voted by a big margin to remain in the EU (67.2% in favour with a turnout of 64.0%) yet you have no problem with a second referendum reversing this decision.

Oh dear, did you really just claim something people voted for 40-odd years ago should be set in stone?

That is your most desperate argument yet.

Why don't you just answer my original question.

169CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 18:04

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote:So its not the best out of 3 - its a confirmatory vote.

When, in the history of British politics, have we ever had a "confirmatory" vote?

170CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 18:10

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Img_2017

Hmmmm

171CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 18:34

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@rammywhite wrote:
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Why would a second poll be any different?

Because many Leavers have changed their mind to remain.
Many Remainers respect the result of the referendum.

172CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:05

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:In the first referendum we voted by a big margin to remain in the EU (67.2% in favour with a turnout of 64.0%) yet you have no problem with a second referendum reversing this decision.

Oh dear, did you really just claim something people voted for 40-odd years ago should be set in stone?

That is your most desperate argument yet.

Why don't you just answer my original question.

What is the difference between calling for another referendum now and calling for one in 2016?

Apparently the 2016 one is set in stone according to you despite Farage's view on a 52/48 result.



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173CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:07

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Img_2017

Hmmmm

So you think all conservative voters are brexit fans and no labour voters want to remain in the EU?

174CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:28

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:What is the difference between calling for another referendum now and calling for one in 2016?

Apparently the 2016 one is set in stone according to you despite Farage's view on a 52/48 result.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing for any more.

The simple fact is, in UK history we've never had a public vote to ratify a vote already taken.

Most people who believe in democracy would agree it's daft to even consider it.

If we have a second referendum, every time we have a close election in future years the losing side will be banging on for years about having a second vote.

It's utter nonsense. You lost, accept it and move on. Life's too short to be worrying about shit like this.

175CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:41

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:What is the difference between calling for another referendum now and calling for one in 2016?

Apparently the 2016 one is set in stone according to you despite Farage's view on a 52/48 result.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing for any more.

The simple fact is, in UK history we've never had a public vote to ratify a vote already taken.

Most people who believe in democracy would agree it's daft to even consider it.

If we have a second referendum, every time we have a close election in future years the losing side will be banging on for years about having a second vote.

It's utter nonsense. You lost, accept it and move on. Life's too short to be worrying about shit like this.

As usual you don't deal with the point. For you the 2016 referendum result is set in stone although the first referendum on the EU is not for some reason.

I do believe in democracy which is why I think the refusal of a "second" referendum when we actually know what the terms of leaving the EU are (no magical £350m for the NHS, no lies about Turkey joining the EU, etc) is a denial of democracy. Since when has giving people a vote been anti-democratic?

176CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:45

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Img_2017

Hmmmm

So you think all conservative voters are brexit fans and no labour voters want to remain in the EU?

Labour aren't on that list. 

But assuming everyone thinks the same because they have voted a certain way is very stupid.

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okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Priorities are all wrong here: UK political parties are more concerned with saving themselves than saving the planet or even the country and its citizens.

 The media stir up a frenzy about our insular leadership battles rather than looking at the bigger picture and at election results across the rest of Europe to report strongly enough how the environment has become the major concern for most of the population now....and how our two main parties ignore the stark reality for our future existence.

It should not take a 93year-old man and myriad youngsters across the globe to have to try to convince our ostriches to lift their heads out of the sand. Are Attenborough's devastating conclusions and schoolchildren's passionate pleadings to fall on deaf ears?
 Tragic reactions ultimately from most of our politicians and newspapers.

178CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 19:55

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Img_2017

Hmmmm

So you think all conservative voters are brexit fans and no labour voters want to remain in the EU?

Labour aren't on that list. 

But assuming everyone thinks the same because they have voted a certain way is very stupid.

But by putting all the tory votes in the leave column you are doing just that.

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okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
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180CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 6 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Tue May 28 2019, 20:17

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:As usual you don't deal with the point. For you the 2016 referendum result is set in stone although the first referendum on the EU is not for some reason.


The first referendum was taken in the 1970s, half the current population weren't even born at the time.

I'm sure you'll agree the world has changed dramatically since then.

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