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31CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Thu May 09 2019, 16:21

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@okocha wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
All these parties laying out what they are about. Remind me someone, did we or did we not have a referendum a year or two back, where it was decided, and backed by all the parties, to leave the EU ?
How dishonorable to just ignore the majority of voters in such a way.
What's dishonourable, Glos, are the lies, half-truths and misrepresentations that we were fed.......and we were expected to cast a meaningful vote on that basis! It was not possible to vote with any accuracy or certainty. (Thanks Dave et al !!)

The complete omission of any mention of Ireland's particular problem is, on its own, enough reason to hold a new ballot. May gets several goes at getting it right but the public only gets one, nearly 3 years later??! Be serious!

And the stark realisation about the threat posed by climate change should be at the top of the agenda when considering manifestos and a final vote. It is a scandal that it has taken youngsters and a 93 year-old to bring the truth to our attention.
The future of the world and its inhabitants is at stake, way more important that political posturing.
What bollox, honor the vote you bastards we knew what we wanted OUT spells OUT.

32CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Thu May 09 2019, 17:25

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

33CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 13:59

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I have always been a believer that if something needs to be sorted, make a decision one way or another. If its right, all well and good. If its wrong, then we know where it went wrong and it can be fixed. We now have ourselves in a situation where we are trying to fix Brexit before it has been resolved according to the referendum. The process has been meddled with almost to the point that nothing can be resolved, .... other than follow the referendum as originally offered, and we leave without all the tinkering that so many seem to think is their right. (I'm referring to the MP's, not XM  Smile)

34CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 14:30

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
If you make a decision and then realise it was the wrong decision before it is implemented (buying a used car for example), surely you would revisit your decision if you could (not buy the car once you learned its history) glos.

It is pretty clear most people, and certainly most MPs, think May's deal is a bad deal so logically we should revisit the decision to leave the EU.

35CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 15:08

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I couldn't care less about brexit anymore. But I do wish to send Westminster a message.

36CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 15:13

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:I have always been a believer that if something needs to be sorted, make a decision one way or another. If its right, all well and good. If its wrong, then we know where it went wrong and it can be fixed. We now have ourselves in a situation where we are trying to fix Brexit before it has been resolved according to the referendum. The process has been meddled with almost to the point that nothing can be resolved, .... other than follow the referendum as originally offered, and we leave without all the tinkering that so many seem to think is their right. (I'm referring to the MP's, not XM  Smile)
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

37CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 20:31

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:If you make a decision and then realise it was the wrong decision before it is implemented (buying a used car for example), surely you would revisit your decision if you could (not buy the car once you learned its history) glos.

It is pretty clear most people, and certainly most MPs, think May's deal is a bad deal so logically we should revisit the decision to leave the EU.
Good analogy, and I agree with the principle. However, your second paragraph is dealing only with the deal May 'negotiated'. 
To keep the analogy going, I believe we have made the decision to buy, (i.e. leave), but before handing over the cash, and sorting the the finer point, we make the mistake of listening to bystanders,  and we decide to ask for everyone else's view, on every aspect of the car itself, the dealer, the finances, whether we can afford to buy it, or if we would lose our deposit if we walked away. We would even take advice from people who didn't want the deal in the first place, and would want to do things their own way in making the deal, (and changing the law to do so). We are now stuck with a car that half of us want, half of us don't, some want to pay cash, some want to pay on HP, and others want to walk away. 
The thing is, we agreed to buy the car, and even though it has devalued while all the bartering has taken place, we still have to stand by our word, and pay the price agreed. We are now discussing how we would pay, and not if.

38CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 20:32

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Meant to say, we are all now standing on the forecourt arguing, with nothing happening.

39CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 21:01

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:Meant to say, we are all now standing on the forecourt arguing, with nothing happening.

Time to walk away from it then. Very Happy

Too drunk to deal with your detailed reply to my analogy. Very Happy

40CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 21:26

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm voting for this guy. He even picks up my postal vote.

41CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Fri May 10 2019, 22:54

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:Meant to say, we are all now standing on the forecourt arguing, with nothing happening.

Time to walk away from it then. Very Happy

Too drunk to deal with your detailed reply to my analogy. Very Happy  
No problem. I read it again, and even confused myself  Very Happy

42CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 15:28

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Brexit party now second in a poll of Westminster voting intention.

Laughing Laughing

43CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 16:07

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The Brexit Party to send a message to May and Corbyn to get a deal done so we can get on with the main problems that concern us all.

NHS and Social Care being at the top of my list.

Just doing my postal vote as I write this.

I see Claire Fox is number one  for The Brexit Party in the North West Region, she always talks a lot of sense on the  late night Sky News Review.

44CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 16:48

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I think politics, and politicians, will now need to be more honest and straight-talking than before, especially as shown in the last year. The public have had enough, and party loyalty will mean less now than it ever has, with a more fluid voting public. If you don't give, achieve, or stick to, what you promised, then you can expect to lose votes, and nothing is guaranteed.

45CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 16:52

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Spot on Glos.

46CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:05

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sent my postal vote in today. Voted Green.

47CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:11

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Cajunboy wrote:The Brexit Party to send a message to May and Corbyn to get a deal done so we can get on with the main problems that concern us all.

NHS and Social Care being at the top of my list.

Just doing my postal vote as I write this.

I see Claire Fox is number one  for The Brexit Party in the North West Region, she always talks a lot of sense on the  late night Sky News Review.

Claire Fox is "a former revolutionary communist who once supported Irish republicanism and opposed the Good Friday peace deal". Doesn't sound like talking a lot of sense to me.

48CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:12

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@boltonbonce wrote:Sent my postal vote in today. Voted Green.
If you are turning green, please see your doctor.

It's probably some kind of vitamin deficiency.

49CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:13

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Cajunboy wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Sent my postal vote in today. Voted Green.
If you are turning green, please see your doctor.

It's probably some kind of vitamin deficiency.
It’s affected his brain too where he should have selected the Brexit Party! Very Happy

50CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:14

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:I think politics, and politicians, will now need to be more honest and straight-talking than before, especially as shown in the last year. The public have had enough, and party loyalty will mean less now than it ever has, with a more fluid voting public. If you don't give, achieve, or stick to, what you promised, then you can expect to lose votes, and nothing is guaranteed.

So you think Farage is "honest and straight-talking"?

51CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:14

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@xmiles wrote:
@Cajunboy wrote:The Brexit Party to send a message to May and Corbyn to get a deal done so we can get on with the main problems that concern us all.

NHS and Social Care being at the top of my list.

Just doing my postal vote as I write this.

I see Claire Fox is number one  for The Brexit Party in the North West Region, she always talks a lot of sense on the  late night Sky News Review.

Claire Fox is "a former revolutionary communist who once supported Irish republicanism and opposed the Good Friday peace deal". Doesn't sound like talking a lot of sense to me.
She's moved on.

52CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:15

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I think politics, and politicians, will now need to be more honest and straight-talking than before, especially as shown in the last year. The public have had enough, and party loyalty will mean less now than it ever has, with a more fluid voting public. If you don't give, achieve, or stick to, what you promised, then you can expect to lose votes, and nothing is guaranteed.

So you think Farage is "honest and straight-talking"?
:facepalm:   :flog:

53CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:17

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Cajunboy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Cajunboy wrote:The Brexit Party to send a message to May and Corbyn to get a deal done so we can get on with the main problems that concern us all.

NHS and Social Care being at the top of my list.

Just doing my postal vote as I write this.

I see Claire Fox is number one  for The Brexit Party in the North West Region, she always talks a lot of sense on the  late night Sky News Review.

Claire Fox is "a former revolutionary communist who once supported Irish republicanism and opposed the Good Friday peace deal". Doesn't sound like talking a lot of sense to me.
She's moved on.

I can't see any evidence of that. Look at this for example:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiLqvThsZbiAhVRqHEKHQIfA50QFjAMegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fbrexit-party-candidate-claire-fox-told-to-disavow-ira-bombing-comments-11707877&usg=AOvVaw2HbSUiqcFRi8_KJwjjMA63

54CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 17:32

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@Cajunboy wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Sent my postal vote in today. Voted Green.
If you are turning green, please see your doctor.

It's probably some kind of vitamin deficiency.
It’s affected his brain too where he should have selected the Brexit Party! Very HappyCAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 A610fe2ab58741d0e9d2477f0b5dbd9c

55CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 18:02

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@gloswhite wrote:I think politics, and politicians, will now need to be more honest and straight-talking than before, especially as shown in the last year. The public have had enough, and party loyalty will mean less now than it ever has, with a more fluid voting public. If you don't give, achieve, or stick to, what you promised, then you can expect to lose votes, and nothing is guaranteed.

Honest and straight talking are two things Farage is not.



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56CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 18:03

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Says it all that voters are willing to vote for a party with one serious policy. Time for everyone to take a breath and look at what they’re doing, anger over Brexit has got out of hand on all sides.

57CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 20:02

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I think politics, and politicians, will now need to be more honest and straight-talking than before, especially as shown in the last year. The public have had enough, and party loyalty will mean less now than it ever has, with a more fluid voting public. If you don't give, achieve, or stick to, what you promised, then you can expect to lose votes, and nothing is guaranteed.

So you think Farage is "honest and straight-talking"?
No idea why you picked on a Brexit advocate, rather than say, a Labour or Conservative member of Parliament, but on the whole, I would say 'yes'. Personally, I don't understand the animosity towards Farage. I realise its easier for him to be more open and honest in his views, as, stated above, he only has one main topic to argue, and one which the majority of referendum voters agree with.
I would say though, I'm not the only person to think the way I do, as he is forecast to win the European elections by some margin. its not that he is any more honest than the others, more that he is not as duplicitous or dishonest as those currently in situ.

58CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 20:21

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Farage has been caught lying on so many occasions, i almost think you must be joking to claim he’s less duplicitous than other politicians. There’s no substance to that argument.

59CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 20:22

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'll be voting for Nigel. Protest vote.

60CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON.  - Page 2 Empty Re: CAPITULATION: EU ELECTIONS ARE ON. on Sun May 12 2019, 20:34

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I'll be voting for Nigel. Protest vote.
In the words of George Orwell 'He is simply a hole in the air'.

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