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rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@sunlight wrote:I wasnt referencing the book or the character ` Eliza Doolittle`. I was referencing those lines of that particular song. Also all the song, But those lines quoted mainly, as an anthem of the poor if we get a no-deal Tory Brexit, which no-one voted for, and half the Tories are against also.

I know you weren't Sunlight but if you stay on this website you'll soon understand that we behave in idiosyncratic ways and that frequently posts take completely unexpected and random journeys. We don't behave in an utterly linear fashion-  and that's what makes this site so interesting.

sunlight

sunlight
Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
@rammywhite wrote:
@sunlight wrote:I wasnt referencing the book or the character ` Eliza Doolittle`. I was referencing those lines of that particular song. Also all the song, But those lines quoted mainly, as an anthem of the poor if we get a no-deal Tory Brexit, which no-one voted for, and half the Tories are against also.

I know you weren't Sunlight but if you stay on this website you'll soon understand that we behave in idiosyncratic ways and that frequently posts take completely unexpected and random journeys. We don't behave in an utterly linear fashion-  and that's what makes this site so interesting.
Aah right, thank you mr. Rammywhite. Random is good.

sunlight

sunlight
Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Johnson on these talks on telly with Merkel and Macron. Its like he is a Comedy Villain. Merkel, Macron and the rest of us ( who have any sense ) are laughing at his obvious attempts to hide his knowledge that he wont get anywhere. We are amused at his Vaudevillian demeanour. If no deal goes through his first speech will be to tell the working class to start keeping Chickens and Pigs in their gardens or starve.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@sunlight wrote:Johnson on these talks on telly with Merkel and Macron. Its like he is a Comedy Villain. Merkel, Macron and the rest of us ( who have any sense ) are laughing at his obvious attempts to hide his knowledge that he wont get anywhere. We are amused at his Vaudevillian demeanour. If no deal goes through his first speech will be to tell the working class to start keeping Chickens and Pigs in their gardens or starve.
I don't see this at all. I think you are seriously underestimating him, Even if he doesn't come out with what he and we want, at least he's making the effort, whilst Corbyn and the other parties are working out how to reverse a law that they all agreed to not that long ago. He may be the comedy villain in your eyes, but he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be.
(enter TROY and XM, who have been very quiet over the past couple of days).  Very Happy

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
..... "he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be....."

Glos, Try telling that to Nazanin Zeghari Ratcliffe or her husband. 

The blustering showman is a disastrous slip of the tongue/brain just waiting to happen.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:..... "he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be....."

Glos, Try telling that to Nazanin Zeghari Ratcliffe or her husband. 

The blustering showman is a disastrous slip of the tongue/brain just waiting to happen.
I have to agree. He's a typical 'shout loud enough and these foreign jonnies will understand' Brit.

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Well with Maybot i felt constipated and off my grub but with Boris i feel like iv'e had a huge shit and about to murder a vindaloo.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Angry Dad wrote:Well with Maybot i felt constipated and off my grub but with Boris i feel like iv'e had a huge shit and about to murder a vindaloo.
Boris is currently right up my street too although let’s see what really happens!

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@gloswhite wrote:
I don't see this at all. I think you are seriously underestimating him, Even if he doesn't come out with what he and we want. 
Sorry to raise this with you Glos- but there are millions of us who don't want what he wants at all. We want him to fail in leaving the EU without a deal and we still want him to fail in taking us out of the EU at all. . I know you will see us as just a set of moaning remainers- but a very substantial proportion of the population ( and its a growing proportion as well) would rather remain. And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this. And there will be no hiding place. The country may have voted leave but not under the omnishambles that will come from Boris's no deal scenario. When will he listen? 27 countries are saying in unison that the deal has been agreed and its not changing. And it won't.
At some stage he'll need to start listening to them and not expect them to listen just to him.. I'm sorry to say it but he's deluded.

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@okocha wrote:..... "he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be....."

Glos, Try telling that to Nazanin Zeghari Ratcliffe or her husband. 

The blustering showman is a disastrous slip of the tongue/brain just waiting to happen.

Glos won't be replying to this as it is factual evidence contradicting his wild claim. Smile

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
The EU is coming to the end and brexit is speeding up it's demise.

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Angry Dad wrote:The EU is coming to the end and brexit is speeding up it's demise.

Not really based on anything that statement though is it?

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote: And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this.

But when the country begins to prosper outside of the EU will you be thanking us?

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@rammywhite wrote: And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this.

But when the country begins to prosper outside of the EU will you be thanking us?

No -I won't because it will be chaos  and every indicator points exactly to that including the governments own think tanks  proposals. Which the buffoon in charge of us all now has chosen to ignore with his  nonsensical statements. Most of this country doesn't take him seriously - so why should our European counterparts/ partners take him seriously.
There will be nothing to thank you for as it will be a disaster.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote:No -I won't because it will be chaos  and every indicator points exactly to that including the governments own think tanks  proposals. Which the buffoon in charge of us all now has chosen to ignore with his  nonsensical statements. Most of this country doesn't take him seriously - so why should our European counterparts/ partners take him seriously.
There will be nothing to thank you for as it will be a disaster.

There will be a bit of chaos for the first few months, mainly due to the likes of xmiles creating fear.

But once people realise they'll still be able to go about their lives exactly as they did before, things will settle down.

The way some people talk, you'd think the moon was about to crash into the Earth.

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:No -I won't because it will be chaos  and every indicator points exactly to that including the governments own think tanks  proposals. Which the buffoon in charge of us all now has chosen to ignore with his  nonsensical statements. Most of this country doesn't take him seriously - so why should our European counterparts/ partners take him seriously.
There will be nothing to thank you for as it will be a disaster.

There will be a bit of chaos for the first few months, mainly due to the likes of xmiles creating fear.

But once people realise they'll still be able to go about their lives exactly as they did before, things will settle down.

The way some people talk, you'd think the moon was about to crash into the Earth.

Care to elaborate on how it will be my fault when there are shortages of food, fuel and medicine, prices go up and the pound crashes. Or is this just another example of brexiteers blaming everyone but themselves for causing this mess?

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:The EU is coming to the end and brexit is speeding up it's demise.

Not really based on anything that statement though is it?
Yes it is, and you all know it so why you want to stay on board a sinking ship baffles me.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:Care to elaborate on how it will be my fault when there are shortages of food, fuel and medicine, prices go up and the pound crashes. Or is this just another example of brexiteers blaming everyone but themselves for causing this mess?

Most of that is just myth as well you know, Project Fear.





T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Angry Dad wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:The EU is coming to the end and brexit is speeding up it's demise.

Not really based on anything that statement though is it?
Yes it is, and you all know it so why you want to stay on board a sinking ship baffles me.

And if they’re a sinking ship what are we? Our most valuable companies are being bought out by foreign conglomerates because our currency is through the floor. The little manufacturing we did is going (car industry), and the financial services industry is in danger of doing the same.

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
The Hysteria on here is getting embarrassing now. affraid affraid affraid

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:
@okocha wrote:..... "he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be....."

Glos, Try telling that to Nazanin Zeghari Ratcliffe or her husband. 

The blustering showman is a disastrous slip of the tongue/brain just waiting to happen.

Glos won't be replying to this as it is factual evidence contradicting his wild claim. Smile
I accept that he completely messed up the Nazanin situation, and cannot defend him at all. But I still think my original statement is correct, he is a better diplomat than Corbyn or Swinson would be. 
XM, grow up you silly old sod. i',m happy to accept facts but all the comments on what Boris will do, the vast majority of the Armageddon that will be rained upon us, is more speculation than fact.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@rammywhite wrote:
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@rammywhite wrote: And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this.

But when the country begins to prosper outside of the EU will you be thanking us?

No -I won't because it will be chaos  and every indicator points exactly to that including the governments own think tanks  proposals. Which the buffoon in charge of us all now has chosen to ignore with his  nonsensical statements. Most of this country doesn't take him seriously - so why should our European counterparts/ partners take him seriously.
There will be nothing to thank you for as it will be a disaster.
yeah, reminds be a bit of the way people behaved when Y2K was going to end the world as we know it.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@boltonbonce wrote:
@okocha wrote:..... "he's a better diplomat than either Corbyn or Swinson would be....."

Glos, Try telling that to Nazanin Zeghari Ratcliffe or her husband. 

The blustering showman is a disastrous slip of the tongue/brain just waiting to happen.
I have to agree. He's a typical 'shout loud enough and these foreign jonnies will understand' Brit.
Attending his very first top level European meeting as PM under such circumstances must be difficult, but you see it in a different context. I've seen no evidence of any 'Johny Foreigner' approach, so I think your comments are misplaced.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@rammywhite wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
I don't see this at all. I think you are seriously underestimating him, Even if he doesn't come out with what he and we want. 
Sorry to raise this with you Glos- but there are millions of us who don't want what he wants at all. We want him to fail in leaving the EU without a deal and we still want him to fail in taking us out of the EU at all. . I know you will see us as just a set of moaning remainers- but a very substantial proportion of the population ( and its a growing proportion as well) would rather remain. And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this. And there will be no hiding place. The country may have voted leave but not under the omnishambles that will come from Boris's no deal scenario. When will he listen? 27 countries are saying in unison that the deal has been agreed and its not changing. And it won't.
At some stage he'll need to start listening to them and not expect them to listen just to him.. I'm sorry to say it but he's deluded.
I am aware there are millions who don't agree, even without your emotive phraseology, but who is to say the change is all in one direction, and as much as those desperate to remain actually state?  No polls will give a true story of the current situation especially not when taken from a few thousand in selected areas. 
I would make one point though, and that I'm surprised that none of the people who have campaigned to remain are aware of their input to the shambles that now faces us. With their constant attacking of the referendum and subsequent manipulation of Paliamentary rules, even having a constitutionally neutral Speaker manipulate Parliamentary rules in their favour  These people have contributed to the damage caused to the integrity of the government, and Parliament. We are now the laughing stock of Europe, and to some extent, the world. I'm sure when you translate that into hard cash, the Remainers have helped the country to lose a lot of badly needed investment, and future trade especially when supported by an obviously disingenuous group of  politicians. We even have a political party who are actively campaigning to ignore the referendum result, when they actually voted for article 50. 
Laying the current situation solely at the feet of those wishing to leave the EU is, to me, yet another outpouring of hypocrisy from people who prefer to accept their lives to be managed by the EU, rather than make their own way. Lets not forget, we joined the EU for trade, not to become part of a federal state run by Germany and France.
I know we will have problems, but I believe that in 3-5 years we will be stronger for it. If we can outlast the Fanny Mae financial crash, I genuinely feel that what is to come will not be the end of the world as some seem to think. 
As I have stated before, I also want a deal of some sort, its only common sense, but if we give in to the EU again, I think our long-term prospects as a sovereign country, will at best be in name only.

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
I don't see this at all. I think you are seriously underestimating him, Even if he doesn't come out with what he and we want. 
Sorry to raise this with you Glos- but there are millions of us who don't want what he wants at all. We want him to fail in leaving the EU without a deal and we still want him to fail in taking us out of the EU at all. . I know you will see us as just a set of moaning remainers- but a very substantial proportion of the population ( and its a growing proportion as well) would rather remain. And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this. And there will be no hiding place. The country may have voted leave but not under the omnishambles that will come from Boris's no deal scenario. When will he listen? 27 countries are saying in unison that the deal has been agreed and its not changing. And it won't.
At some stage he'll need to start listening to them and not expect them to listen just to him.. I'm sorry to say it but he's deluded.
I am aware there are millions who don't agree, even without your emotive phraseology, but who is to say the change is all in one direction, and as much as those desperate to remain actually state?  No polls will give a true story of the current situation especially not when taken from a few thousand in selected areas. 
I would make one point though, and that I'm surprised that none of the people who have campaigned to remain are aware of their input to the shambles that now faces us. With their constant attacking of the referendum and subsequent manipulation of Paliamentary rules, even having a constitutionally neutral Speaker manipulate Parliamentary rules in their favour  These people have contributed to the damage caused to the integrity of the government, and Parliament. We are now the laughing stock of Europe, and to some extent, the world. I'm sure when you translate that into hard cash, the Remainers have helped the country to lose a lot of badly needed investment, and future trade especially when supported by an obviously disingenuous group of  politicians. We even have a political party who are actively campaigning to ignore the referendum result, when they actually voted for article 50. 
Laying the current situation solely at the feet of those wishing to leave the EU is, to me, yet another outpouring of hypocrisy from people who prefer to accept their lives to be managed by the EU, rather than make their own way. Lets not forget, we joined the EU for trade, not to become part of a federal state run by Germany and France.
I know we will have problems, but I believe that in 3-5 years we will be stronger for it. If we can outlast the Fanny Mae financial crash, I genuinely feel that what is to come will not be the end of the world as some seem to think. 
As I have stated before, I also want a deal of some sort, its only common sense, but if we give in to the EU again, I think our long-term prospects as a sovereign country, will at best be in name only.

The EU is not a federal state and it is completely untrue to state that we are "managed by the EU". What examples can you provide of the UK being forced to accept laws that are not in our own interest?

The only hypocrisy is brexiteers blaming everybody but themselves for the mess we are in.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
@rammywhite wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
I don't see this at all. I think you are seriously underestimating him, Even if he doesn't come out with what he and we want. 
Sorry to raise this with you Glos- but there are millions of us who don't want what he wants at all. We want him to fail in leaving the EU without a deal and we still want him to fail in taking us out of the EU at all. . I know you will see us as just a set of moaning remainers- but a very substantial proportion of the population ( and its a growing proportion as well) would rather remain. And if he succeeds and the whole country turns to shit on November 1st and then for months after that, we'll point the finger at you and others who were hellbent on leave under any circumstances and say that you caused this. And there will be no hiding place. The country may have voted leave but not under the omnishambles that will come from Boris's no deal scenario. When will he listen? 27 countries are saying in unison that the deal has been agreed and its not changing. And it won't.
At some stage he'll need to start listening to them and not expect them to listen just to him.. I'm sorry to say it but he's deluded.
I am aware there are millions who don't agree, even without your emotive phraseology, but who is to say the change is all in one direction, and as much as those desperate to remain actually state?  No polls will give a true story of the current situation especially not when taken from a few thousand in selected areas. 
I would make one point though, and that I'm surprised that none of the people who have campaigned to remain are aware of their input to the shambles that now faces us. With their constant attacking of the referendum and subsequent manipulation of Paliamentary rules, even having a constitutionally neutral Speaker manipulate Parliamentary rules in their favour  These people have contributed to the damage caused to the integrity of the government, and Parliament. We are now the laughing stock of Europe, and to some extent, the world. I'm sure when you translate that into hard cash, the Remainers have helped the country to lose a lot of badly needed investment, and future trade especially when supported by an obviously disingenuous group of  politicians. We even have a political party who are actively campaigning to ignore the referendum result, when they actually voted for article 50. 
Laying the current situation solely at the feet of those wishing to leave the EU is, to me, yet another outpouring of hypocrisy from people who prefer to accept their lives to be managed by the EU, rather than make their own way. Lets not forget, we joined the EU for trade, not to become part of a federal state run by Germany and France.
I know we will have problems, but I believe that in 3-5 years we will be stronger for it. If we can outlast the Fanny Mae financial crash, I genuinely feel that what is to come will not be the end of the world as some seem to think. 
As I have stated before, I also want a deal of some sort, its only common sense, but if we give in to the EU again, I think our long-term prospects as a sovereign country, will at best be in name only.

The EU is not a federal state and it is completely untrue to state that we are "managed by the EU". What examples can you provide of the UK being forced to accept laws that are not in our own interest?

The only hypocrisy is brexiteers blaming everybody but themselves for the mess we are in.
The thing is XM, were not blaming anyone for anything. We want out, and its people like you who whinge and moan at everything that has muddied the water.
We may not be directly managed by the EU, but we're certainly expected to toe the line, which I suppose is being managed indirectly, but I doubt you will see that.
Also, even this thick Brexiteer is aware that the EU is not a Federal state, but it is something the likes of Macron wants, an example being a European army.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Just in case you think I'm ignoring you, especially my mate XM, I'm off to Tenerife for a couple of weeks as of tomorrow, so may not respond to your amusing and enlightened comments immediately, especially if they are factual  Very Happy

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
If we crash out of the EU the UK will run out of oxygen  affraid

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@gloswhite wrote:Just in case you think I'm ignoring you, especially my mate XM, I'm off to Tenerife for a couple of weeks as of tomorrow, so may not respond to your amusing and enlightened comments immediately, especially if they are factual  Very Happy

Enjoy your holiday glos. While you are basking in the sun maybe you can think of an example of the UK being forced to accept laws that are not in our own interest. Smile

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
As an example of unrealistic optimism (or just plain lying) the headline in today's Sunday Express takes some beating:

"UK-US Trade Deal Is Done"

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