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391General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 01:45

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
A day of total despair. I'd like to think some important lessons have been learned but I don't hold out any great hopes. I get the distinct impression that the NEC has no intention of moving away from it's current hard line left wing policies. Corbyn was a truly embarrassingly awful leader and undoubtedly a major factor in the size of the thumping we took last night but no matter who the leader is no party will ever get voted into power in this country on an ultra left wing ticket. Just will never happen.

392General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 02:24

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
@xmiles wrote:You make some good points lpp but one fundamental problem for Labour is Corbyn. He is the worst leader that Labour has ever had (with the possible exception of Foot). He has no leadership ability; he is a hypocrite; and he simply refuses to admit he is ever wrong.

I know the Tory press and media have never given him a chance but his ability to fuck up is astonishing. Just look at his total failure to deal with anti-semitism within the Labour party or even apologise for it.

It is a tragedy that we now have a serial liar with no morals or principles as prime minister and a large part of the blame for this rests with Corbyn for being so totally useless.
I totally agree Corbyn is a dreadful leader but one thing you can't really call him is a hypocrite. Basically he didn't know what to say about Brexit because his own instinct was for Remain but much of the party and of course the country were Leave voters. I think his main problem was he came into politics at a time when Militant were very strong and the unions still held real power in the country not just the Labour party. He was always on that fringe from his very first day as an MP. In fact you can see his early speeches and TV interviews on Youtube and in all of them he was espousing by and large the same policies he espoused in this campaign. The sad fact is while he's certainly a man of strong principle just as Foot was they're outdated principles that the British public simply don't share and haven't done for at least thirty and more likely fifty years.

But worse than that is his blinkered belief that somehow the clock can be dialled back to the days of Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. The truth is the British people, society and culture as a whole have changed and the economy has changed even more in that time. We're not a manufacturing nation any more and the days of the coal mines, ship yards and steel foundries are long gone but he and some idiots in the leadership think they aren't.

Sadly the extreme right has taken full advantage of Labour's myopia and we're now on course for both economic and social catastrophe in my opinion but the blame for that lies at least as much with the NEC and Corbyn as it does with the Tories, UKIP and Brexit party. I hope and pray we get a moderate in as our new leader but given how the election itself is now run I'm not at all confident that will happen.

393General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 07:59

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@luckyPeterpiper wrote:
@xmiles wrote:You make some good points lpp but one fundamental problem for Labour is Corbyn. He is the worst leader that Labour has ever had (with the possible exception of Foot). He has no leadership ability; he is a hypocrite; and he simply refuses to admit he is ever wrong.

I know the Tory press and media have never given him a chance but his ability to fuck up is astonishing. Just look at his total failure to deal with anti-semitism within the Labour party or even apologise for it.

It is a tragedy that we now have a serial liar with no morals or principles as prime minister and a large part of the blame for this rests with Corbyn for being so totally useless.
I totally agree Corbyn is a dreadful leader but one thing you can't really call him is a hypocrite. Basically he didn't know what to say about Brexit because his own instinct was for Remain but much of the party and of course the country were Leave voters. I think his main problem was he came into politics at a time when Militant were very strong and the unions still held real power in the country not just the Labour party. He was always on that fringe from his very first day as an MP. In fact you can see his early speeches and TV interviews on Youtube and in all of them he was espousing by and large the same policies he espoused in this campaign. The sad fact is while he's certainly a man of strong principle just as Foot was they're outdated principles that the British public simply don't share and haven't done for at least thirty and more likely fifty years.

But worse than that is his blinkered belief that somehow the clock can be dialled back to the days of Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. The truth is the British people, society and culture as a whole have changed and the economy has changed even more in that time. We're not a manufacturing nation any more and the days of the coal mines, ship yards and steel foundries are long gone but he and some idiots in the leadership think they aren't.

Sadly the extreme right has taken full advantage of Labour's myopia and we're now on course for both economic and social catastrophe in my opinion but the blame for that lies at least as much with the NEC and Corbyn as it does with the Tories, UKIP and Brexit party. I hope and pray we get a moderate in as our new leader but given how the election itself is now run I'm not at all confident that will happen.

I think Corbyn is a hypocrite over brexit. Corbyn was never a remainer. He has consistently opposed EU membership and he did nothing to support the Remain campaign. In fact he actively sabotaged it by refusing to cooperate with the campaign. The one time he gave a speech about it he obviously had no enthusiasm for it and looked like a hostage reading a message out aloud. He has never wanted a second referendum and again refused to work with other parties on this. I actually doubt whether he even voted remain.

Another example of him being a hypocrite is his failure to deal with or even apologise for the anti-semitism in the Labour party. I don't believe he personally is anti-semitic but to pretend that he has dealt with it when he so clearly has not is either dishonesty or hypocrisy.

394General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 10:51

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Some really good posts on here in the last few hours. It's hard to come to terms with the fact that we are now living in a right-wing country, with the ERG poised to revitalise after their enforced hiatus.

One thing that strikes me as significant is how little the parties made of the recent groundswell of concern about the planet and the environment. It became the Brexit Election (or the anti-Corbyn Election, as the right wing press chose to make it). Green issues only really featured in Brighton Pavilion....and just look at what happened there in stark contrast to the rest of the country!


The Green Party's Caroline Lucas has been re-elected to her Brighton Pavilion seat with a greater majority.
The former party leader, who is its sole MP, defeated her closest Labour rival by almost 20,000 votes, increasing her majority by nearly 5%.
She gained 33,151 votes compared with 13,211 to Labour's candidate Adam Imanpour.
Ms Lucas said she was "incredibly proud" of the result but also "deeply angry" at a "broken" political system.
She said: "I feel incredibly proud that my majority has increased because it demonstrates that Brighton Pavilion continues to believe in compassion, justice and a bigger future."


Did the parties miss a trick by not taking advantage of the way Attenborough and Thornburg brought this issue into the consciousness of the general public and especially that of young people with massive voting potential? 


The GE should have been about much more than Corbyn versus Johnson.

395General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 11:00

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
A few fast food outlets have banned straws. The planet is saved!
Until the climate crisis is confronted head on, we'll continue to sleepwalk into oblivion.
General Election - Page 14 Planet-apes-ending

396General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 11:06

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@boltonbonce wrote:A few fast food outlets have banned straws. The planet is saved!
Until the climate crisis is confronted head on, we'll continue to sleepwalk into oblivion.
General Election - Page 14 Planet-apes-ending
...and there'll come a time when there won't be a planet on which to promulgate conventional politican rhetoric, no matter whether left or right wing, so all the hot air, hatred and division will count for absolutely nothing!

397General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 11:40

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Crikey! Grown up analysis on nuts - whatever next?

398General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 11:40

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I cant see Labour getting an electable leader for two terms unless Borat really f**** it up - but there’s every possibility of that when reality bites.

399General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 11:51

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:I cant see Labour getting an electable leader for two terms unless Borat really f**** it up - but there’s every possibility of that when reality bites.
Depends on who puts up. 
The fact is, the party membership are pretty much left leaning, and will probably vote along those lines.
Rebecca Long-Bailey will be getting my vote. If she's on the ballot.

400General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 14:47

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:I cant see Labour getting an electable leader for two terms unless Borat really f**** it up - but there’s every possibility of that when reality bites.
Depends on who puts up. 
The fact is, the party membership are pretty much left leaning, and will probably vote along those lines.
Rebecca Long-Bailey will be getting my vote. If she's on the ballot.

To my way of thinking there is a big difference between idealism and reality.

Corbyn was unelectable to a great many traditional voters.

His stance on Brexit was ambiguous to say the least.  He didn't seem to want to lead the party on a Remain ticket, whilst at the same time didn't want to get behind the 'get it done' philosophy that won the election for Johnson, as most people had got heartily sick of Brexit by now.

Leadership is about leading - he didn't lead.

His ideology about achieving a social utopia was all well and good but only the first time voter generation and dyed in the wool left wing socialist believed that to be attainable - how would it be founded - and probably more pertinent, who would fund it and how could it ever be paid back?

The first time voter generation and the 'dyed in the wools' seem to live in their own 'bubble' and their views and opinions are reinforced by others inhabiting the same bubble they are in.  They can't accept/understand/relate to any views not consistent with their own and reject them out of hand as people being to dumb/stupid/vacuous to 'do the right thing'.

The reality is though that hard left socialism as propagated under the Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum banner is not palatable to the large majority as can be evidenced long before this election with the waves of scores of moderate Labour MP's giving up and walking away rather than be part of the parliamentary party under the current regime.  Is it any wonder then that moderate Labour voters rejected the party at the election too?

It's been clear from many Labour canvassers for some considerable time that 'Corbyn' as been an issue on the door steps of many - yet nothing was done about it.

It was clear to that Brexit 'burn out' was an issue and people wanted it to be resolved - and fast - yet no clear message came from Labour - nor it's leader!

There was a clear and obvious disconnect from the party to those who are natural supporters of it.  The ideological cabal which had taken leadership of the party went along the 'Longest suicide note in history' route by rejecting the feedback they were receiving (and which was contrary to their rhetoric) and again ended up with the same outcome as before.  It wasn't rocket science to see what was coming on the day - apparently they saw it themselves towards the end but even their own worst predictions were surpassed with the scale of defeat.

Brexit isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as the multitude of social media nutjobs predict.  The reality is life will go on pretty much as now for many years to come and the changes that will probably result in us being worse off than had we stayed, will come gradually and accepted by most as 'normal' at the time.

It's not in anyone's interest (the EU, the ruling party, the population as a whole) for things to turn out significantly bad for going down the Brexit road, trade will continue, movement of people to and from the country will still happen, life won't be any different that what is normal now.

For what it is worth I write this as someone who is a naturally leaning Labour voter and would have much preferred to have remained in the EU.

Labour/Corbyn should have led a strong and clear Remain campaign at the time of the referendum but were conspicuous by the absence of such - they probably thought as many did that Brexit wouldn't happen anyway.  Corbyn should have put country before party under May's administration, instead they went along the route of wanting Brexit to happen, then winning an election of the back of peoples dissatisfaction resulting from it, and finally when it had dragged on for so long and May was forced out, should have bit the bullet and accepted Brexit was going to happen and not wimped out of taking a lead - had they done they wouldn't have lost so many of their heartland seats.

To vote in Corbynistas like Rebecca Long-Bailey won't heal the divide and could well continue the toxicity that Brexit has caused and it's time for the party to become more in tune with the electorate again by moving more to the centre ground as the Conservatives have seemingly moved more to the political right.

Conservatives have won, Brexit will happen, we have to accept it and move on and not live in the past and cling to ideology that was rejected under Foot by the electorate in 1983 and again now in 2019.

Momentum/Corbyn is the Militant/Foot of this age and has produced exactly the same result as it did.

Do we never learn?

Power to the People eh?

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401General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 15:47

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Pretty much agree with sluffy's analysis of this and like him think Rebecca Long-Bailey is not the answer. There are far better candidates available. I would be happy with any of the other main contenders but think Angela Rayner would be most likely to unite the Labour party and give them a chance to recover lost ground. My biggest worry is that the useless twat Corbyn will hang on until his sycophants have stitched up a deal to get Rebecca Long-Bailey into position.

402General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 16:31

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@karlypants wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:Welcome to the one-nation Conservative-run UK  Very Happy

Hopefully, the abuse will now stop.
I will be celebrating tonight mate!  cheers
Its nice having a break from all the biased reporting

403General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 16:44

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@Sluffy wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:I cant see Labour getting an electable leader for two terms unless Borat really f**** it up - but there’s every possibility of that when reality bites.
Depends on who puts up. 
The fact is, the party membership are pretty much left leaning, and will probably vote along those lines.
Rebecca Long-Bailey will be getting my vote. If she's on the ballot.

To my way of thinking there is a big difference between idealism and reality.

Corbyn was unelectable to a great many traditional voters.

His stance on Brexit was ambiguous to say the least.  He didn't seem to want to lead the party on a Remain ticket, whilst at the same time didn't want to get behind the 'get it done' philosophy that won the election for Johnson, as most people had got heartily sick of Brexit by now.

Leadership is about leading - he didn't lead.

His ideology about achieving a social utopia was all well and good but only the first time voter generation and dyed in the wool left wing socialist believed that to be attainable - how would it be founded - and probably more pertinent, who would fund it and how could it ever be paid back?

The first time voter generation and the 'dyed in the wools' seem to live in their own 'bubble' and their views and opinions are reinforced by others inhabiting the same bubble they are in.  They can't accept/understand/relate to any views not consistent with their own and reject them out of hand as people being to dumb/stupid/vacuous to 'do the right thing'.

The reality is though that hard left socialism as propagated under the Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum banner is not palatable to the large majority as can be evidenced long before this election with the waves of scores of moderate Labour MP's giving up and walking away rather than be part of the parliamentary party under the current regime.  Is it any wonder then that moderate Labour voters rejected the party at the election too?

It's been clear from many Labour canvassers for some considerable time that 'Corbyn' as been an issue on the door steps of many - yet nothing was done about it.

It was clear to that Brexit 'burn out' was an issue and people wanted it to be resolved - and fast - yet no clear message came from Labour - nor it's leader!

There was a clear and obvious disconnect from the party to those who are natural supporters of it.  The ideological cabal which had taken leadership of the party went along the 'Longest suicide note in history' route by rejecting the feedback they were receiving (and which was contrary to their rhetoric) and again ended up with the same outcome as before.  It wasn't rocket science to see what was coming on the day - apparently they saw it themselves towards the end but even their own worst predictions were surpassed with the scale of defeat.

Brexit isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as the multitude of social media nutjobs predict.  The reality is life will go on pretty much as now for many years to come and the changes that will probably result in us being worse off than had we stayed, will come gradually and accepted by most as 'normal' at the time.

It's not in anyone's interest (the EU, the ruling party, the population as a whole) for things to turn out significantly bad for going down the Brexit road, trade will continue, movement of people to and from the country will still happen, life won't be any different that what is normal now.

For what it is worth I write this as someone who is a naturally leaning Labour voter and would have much preferred to have remained in the EU.

Labour/Corbyn should have led a strong and clear Remain campaign at the time of the referendum but were conspicuous by the absence of such - they probably thought as many did that Brexit wouldn't happen anyway.  Corbyn should have put country before party under May's administration, instead they went along the route of wanting Brexit to happen, then winning an election of the back of peoples dissatisfaction resulting from it, and finally when it had dragged on for so long and May was forced out, should have bit the bullet and accepted Brexit was going to happen and not wimped out of taking a lead - had they done they wouldn't have lost so many of their heartland seats.

To vote in Corbynistas like Rebecca Long-Bailey won't heal the divide and could well continue the toxicity that Brexit has caused and it's time for the party to become more in tune with the electorate again by moving more to the centre ground as the Conservatives have seemingly moved more to the political right.

Conservatives have won, Brexit will happen, we have to accept it and move on and not live in the past and cling to ideology that was rejected under Foot by the electorate in 1983 and again now in 2019.

Momentum/Corbyn is the Militant/Foot of this age and has produced exactly the same result as it did.

Do we never learn?

Power to the People eh?

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An excellent summary Sluffy. However, I think the Labour Party, and the country would benefit from a less aggressive leader, at this time, than Rayner. There is a runner mentioned , but her name escapes me at the moment, but she is a very sensible, fairly quiet, person, and her name has been mentioned in the press a couple of times.
As I've said before, all governments need a good opposition, and this one is no different.

404General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 17:19

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I'm thinking of Lisa Nandy

405General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 17:27

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:I'm thinking of Lisa Nandy

Definitely better than Rebecca Long-Bailey.

406General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sat Dec 14 2019, 23:27

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
My reasoning re the Labour leadership issue is that many voters do have a social conscience and would agree with some of the policies that Corbyn has espoused were it not for politics currently being largely driven by uncertainty and fear as fleeing the EU has shown and increasingly by personality over substance. The voting behaviour drivers have shifted, but there is an enormous middle ground to be won back and it would take someone With statesmanlike qualities like Sir Keir To have a chance of doing that.
Centrist voters who used to determine elections have been pushed off the middle ground by emotive rhetoric and fear mongering lies and have jumped one way or the other - but they’ve not gone far so the opportunity is there for someone to reclaim that position 
With the nec currently running Labour into the ground I can’t see that leader getting elected for At least 2 terms. Moreover if Scotland gets independence that may be the final nail in Labour’s coffin as there won’t be enough ‘traditional” seats to win back. 
Lib Dem’s could seek to gain the middle ground but they have a huge amounts of ground to claw back so again at least 2 terms imo.
All this could be accelerated if things go really bad for Brexit though.
Now that the election is over will the Russia investigation be published in full?

407General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sun Dec 15 2019, 00:05

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin




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London Mayor Sadiq Khan has blamed Labour's "catastrophic" defeat on Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and the "repeated failure to tackle anti-Semitism".

The Mayor of London said his party's election performance, which left them with 203 MPs nationwide, had "failed ... the sick, the poorest and the vulnerable".

Writing  on Facebook, the former MP for Tooting said: "If we are truly honest with ourselves, we knew in our hearts that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership was deeply unpopular with the British people and that we were extremely unlikely to form a Labour government last night.

"Labour's shocking and repeated failure to tackle anti-Semitism, and our inability to put forward a credible and believable set of priorities for governing have made a major contribution to the scale of this defeat."

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2019-12-13/sadiq-khan-blames-labour-defeat-on-corbyn-and-failure-to-tackle-anti-semitism/

408General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sun Dec 15 2019, 11:17

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Nandy is considering it. Will be an interesting choice when it comes.

409General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sun Dec 15 2019, 18:59

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

410General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sun Dec 15 2019, 20:07

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

411General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Sun Dec 15 2019, 22:17

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

Imagine the reaction if Corbyn had made similar threats. Somehow I don't see the Tory press objecting to this at all. That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.

412General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 09:16

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@xmiles wrote:

Imagine the reaction if Corbyn had made similar threats. Somehow I don't see the Tory press objecting to this at all. That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.
Personally, I think its about time the BBC was financed in some other way. All this guff about honesty and integrity just doesn't wash anymore. It doesn't need to be paid for by everyone. Its bloated and costing a fortune with no real management, and its coverage of the Brexit and election issues was biased quite badly.

413General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 09:17

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Were having a Brexit Christmas dinner this year, no Brussels  Very Happy

414General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 09:20

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Wander,  I think you're right about the two terms that Labour will miss out, (on current standings). A point was made on TV yesterday that the ones pulling the strings , i.e. Momentum, will try to keep their infrastructure in place, which points to another Corbynista, and the closest to their views is Long-Bailey. 
I don't like her myself, as she's nothing more than a Corbyn without a beard.

415General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 10:11

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:
@xmiles wrote:

Imagine the reaction if Corbyn had made similar threats. Somehow I don't see the Tory press objecting to this at all. That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.
Personally, I think its about time the BBC was financed in some other way. All this guff about honesty and integrity just doesn't wash anymore. It doesn't need to be paid for by everyone. Its bloated and costing a fortune with no real management, and its coverage of the Brexit and election issues was biased quite badly.

Yes I think the BBC coverage of the election was biased. They were clearly frightened of Boris and it showed. Glad we agree on that glos.

416General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 10:48

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@xmiles wrote:

Imagine the reaction if Corbyn had made similar threats. Somehow I don't see the Tory press objecting to this at all. That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.
You are one offensive fucker.

417General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 11:30

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Speaking of the BBC, did anyone watch SPOTY last night. Apart from Gary jug ears telling us the winner early (two hours before the phone lines closed, thus stealing even more money) the whole show was a bloated mess. The finale was laughable.

418General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 15:19

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Angry Dad wrote:
@xmiles wrote:

Imagine the reaction if Corbyn had made similar threats. Somehow I don't see the Tory press objecting to this at all. That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.
You are one offensive fucker.
Thanks for that reply AD.

I couldn't have put it better if I'd tried.

It's the sheer arrogance of remainers that winds me up.

419General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 16:58

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.

Which party did intelligent people vote for xmiles?

420General Election - Page 14 Empty Re: General Election on Mon Dec 16 2019, 17:05

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:That is just a sign of the future that we can look forward to thanks to the people stupid enough to vote for Boris.

Which party did intelligent people vote for xmiles?
Obviously Labour Nat Laughing

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