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1Next Labour leader Empty Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 16:26

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Your choice for next Labour leader??

2Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 16:38

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I know he wouldn't win even if he threw his hat in the ring, but I always think Stephen Kinnock is impressive when I hear him talking on the radio.

3Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 16:57

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The whole Kinnock clan are poison. I say it with love though.

4Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 17:20

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sir Keir

5Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 17:31

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'll wait for the list to come out.

6Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 17:35

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ken Anderson.

7Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 17:37

Guest


Guest
Will wait until the debates are underway, that’s when Corbyn swayed me last time.

8Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 19:01

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.

9Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 19:46

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
T.R.O.Y wrote:Will wait until the debates are underway, that’s when Corbyn swayed me last time.
Have to say that even though I thought Corbyn was politically inept, I do think he's a genuinely fair and honest man. I never agreed with his politics but as an individual, he was an ethical man.

10Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 20:48

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I would go with Diane Abbott simply due to how incompetent she is and it will make sure Labour never get into power for quite some time. Very Happy

11Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 22:20

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Will wait until the debates are underway, that’s when Corbyn swayed me last time.
Have to say that even though I thought Corbyn was politically inept, I do think he's a genuinely fair and honest man. I never agreed with his politics but as an individual, he was an ethical man.

Corbyn is probably a very nice individual but he was a disaster for the Labour party. I also think his honesty is somewhat limited. Does he really believe he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party? If he really voted to remain why did he refuse to campaign for remain? Does he not realise how toxic he is to many former Labour voters (and yes I know this is largely down to his vilification in the press)? He seems totally unselfaware and will never admit that he is wrong.

12Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 22:42

Guest


Guest
Refused to campaign for remain? Who’s being dishonest now?

13Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 22:47

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:Refused to campaign for remain? Who’s being dishonest now?

He refused to cooperate with the official Remain campaign and when he did put in a rare appearance it was obvious his heart was not in it. He looked like a hostage being forced to read a ransome demand.

Do you honestly believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU?

Here is a BBC report on this: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=22&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiprf7lxOjmAhV2XRUIHf_3DCUQFjAVegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-politics-36633238&usg=AOvVaw26mOQNF-qROkf98b1MRPOQ

14Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 03 2020, 23:50

Guest


Guest
You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

15Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 11:31

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

I should have said "campaign effectively".

The fact remains that Corbyn was a disaster for the Labour party and until that is addressed the Labour party will never be elected to government.

So, TROY, do you believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU? Or that he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party?

16Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 14:22

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.
That'll be Sir Keir then.

17Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 15:01

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@wanderlust wrote:
@okocha wrote:Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.
That'll be Sir Keir then.

I like Jess Phillips but have to agree that Starmer represents the best chance for Labour to recover.

Unfortunately there are two factors which will be used against him: he represents a London constituency and he is a man.

18Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 15:17

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@wanderlust wrote:
@okocha wrote:Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.
That'll be Sir Keir then.
Sadly though he has the charisma of an empty cardboard box.

19Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 15:21

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Will wait until the debates are underway, that’s when Corbyn swayed me last time.
Have to say that even though I thought Corbyn was politically inept, I do think he's a genuinely fair and honest man. I never agreed with his politics but as an individual, he was an ethical man.

Corbyn is probably a very nice individual but he was a disaster for the Labour party. I also think his honesty is somewhat limited. Does he really believe he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party? If he really voted to remain why did he refuse to campaign for remain? Does he not realise how toxic he is to many former Labour voters (and yes I know this is largely down to his vilification in the press)? He seems totally unselfaware and will never admit that he is wrong.
He is not a very nice individual, he is a sour humourless git!!!

20Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 15:24

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Jess Phillips would sure make Prime Minister's question time very interesting.

21Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 15:53

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@okocha wrote:Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.
That'll be Sir Keir then.

I like Jess Phillips but have to agree that Starmer represents the best chance for Labour to recover.

Unfortunately there are two factors which will be used against him: he represents a London constituency and he is a man.


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1223380/labour-leadership-sir-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn

22Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 17:16

Guest


Guest
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

I should have said "campaign effectively".

The fact remains that Corbyn was a disaster for the Labour party and until that is addressed the Labour party will never be elected to government.

So, TROY, do you believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU? Or that he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party?

I never claimed he did any of those things?

If you’re trying to pin us leaving the EU on Corbyn then I think you’re on another planet though, this is a Tory project and it’s them and their supporters who should have to shoulder the blame in the future.

23Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 17:18

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@boltonbonce wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@okocha wrote:Got to be someone statesman-like, someone who can command respect in terms of his/her oratory and  feasible policies. It was too easy to ridicule the party and its leader last time. Got to be able to keep the media onside, someone that the public can view as decent, genuine and able to hold their own in debate. Of the names touted so far, only one is not too lightweight, but lots of work needs doing to tweak the policies, perhaps by adopting the middle ground.
That'll be Sir Keir then.

I like Jess Phillips but have to agree that Starmer represents the best chance for Labour to recover.

Unfortunately there are two factors which will be used against him: he represents a London constituency and he is a man.


https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1223380/labour-leadership-sir-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn

Yes I saw that earlier today bonce. Do you think it boosts Starmer's chances or damages them? Laughing

24Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 17:28

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

I should have said "campaign effectively".

The fact remains that Corbyn was a disaster for the Labour party and until that is addressed the Labour party will never be elected to government.

So, TROY, do you believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU? Or that he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party?

I never claimed he did any of those things?

If you’re trying to pin us leaving the EU on Corbyn then I think you’re on another planet though, this is a Tory project and it’s them and their supporters who should have to shoulder the blame in the future.

I think you are missing my point. Clearly the blame for brexit starts with Cameron and the rich selfish bastards who led the Leave campaign.

I simply gave the example of Corbyn's failure to campaign effectively as an example of how he may not be as principled as some people like to believe.

25Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:10

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I'd quite like Andy Burnham to get the gig.

26Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:14

Guest


Guest
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

I should have said "campaign effectively".

The fact remains that Corbyn was a disaster for the Labour party and until that is addressed the Labour party will never be elected to government.

So, TROY, do you believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU? Or that he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party?

I never claimed he did any of those things?

If you’re trying to pin us leaving the EU on Corbyn then I think you’re on another planet though, this is a Tory project and it’s them and their supporters who should have to shoulder the blame in the future.

I think you are missing my point. Clearly the blame for brexit starts with Cameron and the rich selfish bastards who led the Leave campaign.

I simply gave the example of Corbyn's failure to campaign effectively as an example of how he may not be as principled as some people like to believe.

No you suggested he failed to campaign to remain - which is a lie.

Your opinion on how effective his campaigning was is subjective, and as such doesn't prove your point. All I’m saying is you should drop that as an example.

He’ll be gone soon, going over old arguments will get us nowhere - we need to come together to get rid of this shameless Tory government that have managed to dupe half the nation.

27Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:24

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:You claimed he refused to campaign for remain - this is a lie.

Your opinion on how genuine or effective he was is a completely separate point - and a subjective one at that.

Drop the lies, move on.

I should have said "campaign effectively".

The fact remains that Corbyn was a disaster for the Labour party and until that is addressed the Labour party will never be elected to government.

So, TROY, do you believe he campaigned effectively or that he really wanted us to stay in the EU given his life long opposition to the EU? Or that he dealt effectively with antisemitism in the Labour party?

I never claimed he did any of those things?

If you’re trying to pin us leaving the EU on Corbyn then I think you’re on another planet though, this is a Tory project and it’s them and their supporters who should have to shoulder the blame in the future.

I think you are missing my point. Clearly the blame for brexit starts with Cameron and the rich selfish bastards who led the Leave campaign.

I simply gave the example of Corbyn's failure to campaign effectively as an example of how he may not be as principled as some people like to believe.

He’ll be gone soon, going over old arguments will get us nowhere - we need to come together to get rid of this shameless Tory government that have managed to dupe half the nation.

If you fail to learn from mistakes you are likely to repeat them. Putting a Corbyn stooge in as Labour leader pretty much guarantees continual electoral failure.

The emphasis on recovering the working class vote is part of the problem. As traditional working class voters make up only 14% of the electorate it will take a lot more than their votes to win a general election.



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28Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:30

Guest


Guest
Don’t know who I’m voting for, never been fully taken by RLB but I’ll hear what she (and the others) have to say and then decide.

One thing that should be pointed out is that left wing policies polled well, so lurching to the right won’t help either.

29Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:36

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
T.R.O.Y wrote:Don’t know who I’m voting for, never been fully taken by RLB but I’ll hear what she (and the others) have to say and then decide.

One thing that should be pointed out is that left wing policies polled well, so lurching to the right won’t help either.

I support most of these policies but if you don't win the election the policies are not worth the paper they are written on. To win an election Labour has to win the middle ground - there simply are not enough people with strongly held left wing views to win a general election by only appealing to them.

30Next Labour leader Empty Re: Next Labour leader on Sat Jan 04 2020, 18:49

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:

Yes I saw that earlier today bonce. Do you think it boosts Starmer's chances or damages them? Laughing  

When I start taking any notice of the Daily Express I'll probably call it a day. Interesting angle though.

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