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31Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 12 2020, 14:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I don't believe Meghan fully understood that in marrying the 6th in line for the throne she was accepting a job.
It can be argued that if she wants to quit the job she needs to hand back the company jewellery, houses, cars etc that have been "loaned" to her and her husband by the country - i.e. the tools of the trade they no longer wishes to pursue.

With Andrew publicly humiliating himself on television, these last few months have not been good for the Windsors and the press have smelled blood.
Add to that the Duke of Windsor being on his way out - personally I reckon he'll die in the near future - and the Queen not having much longer left either - we seem to be reaching a watershed as far as the monarchy goes.

Perhaps the media will one day regret demonising Camilla - who really didn't do much wrong.

32Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 12 2020, 14:48

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
T.R.O.Y wrote:Look, this has escalated - but what I’m trying to do is get you to think about the fact you haven’t got a clue what’s going on behind closed doors (and neither do the Tabloids) so claiming she’s pulling the strings is unfair of you, to pull out of royal duties and become self sufficient sounds like a reasonable decision of them to me.

On an aside, watching the Mail and particularly Piers Morgan meltdown over this has been particularly enjoyable.
No disrespect TROY, but once you've been married for a while you become aware of certain unwritten rules in a partnership. These become obvious to others over time, by nuances in behavior, which can result in quite dramatic changes fairly quickly. I agree with KP in that the Sussex's are showing behaviors that would imply that she, if not the direct instigator, is a major reason for his behavior. So, directly, or indirectly, she is pulling the strings. 
Also, take into account his 'angry young man' persona that he now wears. He didn't have that before he got married.
If they want to strike out on their own, I believe they should be allowed to, but as its been stated earlier, don't expect the trappings of royalty to be handed over as though he is entitled. I do believe he should be afforded protection though.

33Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 12 2020, 18:07

Guest


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It’s an absolutely valid theory, and totally plausible.

That’s all it is though, and I’m not buying that being married brings mild psychic skills as evidence I’m afraid.

34Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 12 2020, 18:20

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
fair enough  Very Happy

35Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 13 2020, 13:01

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s an absolutely valid theory, and totally plausible.

That’s all it is though, and I’m not buying that being married brings mild psychic skills as evidence I’m afraid.
Did your girlfriend tell you to say that TROY? Wink

36Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 13 2020, 20:09

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
As you'd expect from the Queen, a sound, sober judgement on the situation delivering a reasoned, wise solution......in stark contrast to the hysterical, nasty reactions of Piers Morgan and much of the Press. The dignified joint statement from Harry and William also puts the media to shame.

37Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 13 2020, 20:25

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:As you'd expect from the Queen, a sound, sober judgement on the situation delivering a reasoned, wise solution......in stark contrast to the hysterical, nasty reactions of Piers Morgan and much of the Press. The dignified joint statement from Harry and William also puts the media to shame.
I'm not a Royalist, but they seem a nice, well matched couple. I remember not long ago, Meghan got it in the neck for having the temerity to close her own car door.
She must have wondered what she'd signed up to.

38Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 12:37

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255

39Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 12:38

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255
This guy needs to get a life.

40Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 13:01

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:
@karlypants wrote:Intellectual property lawyer 'trademarks Sussex Royal brand in US'


https://mol.im/a/7885255
This guy needs to get a life.
He's obviously busy making money.

41Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 13:07

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The thing is, he failed. They got in before him, so he's wasted his time.

42Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 20:42

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I'll wait for the next series of 'The Crown' for all the inside info.  Very Happy

43Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 22:09

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
One of my old friends works at Wilton House where "The Crown" is filmed. He reckons Olivia Colman spends much of her time playing with the children on site and seems very natural and unaffected despite her recent successes on screen. Others are much more stand-offish.
 Helena Bonham Carter smiled at him and paid him a compliment about his Christmas pullover with the result that he went weak at the knees and tongue-tied. One of the very few women he'd describe as genuinely beautiful.
 He's been rubbing shoulders with royalty over the past few months but that little perk of the job has lost its gloss in the last few weeks and months for obvious reasons.....

44Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Tue Jan 14 2020, 22:25

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:One of my old friends works at Wilton House where "The Crown" is filmed. He reckons Olivia Colman spends much of her time playing with the children on site and seems very natural and unaffected despite her recent successes on screen. Others are much more stand-offish.
 Helena Bonham Carter smiled at him and paid him a compliment about his Christmas pullover with the result that he went weak at the knees and tongue-tied. One of the very few women he'd describe as genuinely beautiful.
 He's been rubbing shoulders with royalty over the past few months but that little perk of the job has lost its gloss in the last few weeks and months for obvious reasons.....
I like Bonham Carter, but why is part of her morning routine looking for a hedge through which to be dragged? Very Happy

45Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Wed Jan 15 2020, 16:51

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
She likes to be noticed, presumably.  Very Happy

46Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Wed Jan 15 2020, 17:00

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:I like Bonham Carter, but why is part of her morning routine looking for a hedge through which to be dragged? Very Happy

Yes, she looks like your type.

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47Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Wed Jan 15 2020, 17:50

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Not really my type Nat. I've still got the hots for Louise Brooks.
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48Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Wed Jan 15 2020, 18:55

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Surely the answer is that she tried to fit in with her partner, the eccentric Tim Burton....never good enough for her.....I see they're separated now and she has a new toyboy

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49Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sat Jan 18 2020, 09:33

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

50Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sat Jan 18 2020, 19:38

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

51Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 19 2020, 13:26

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I would be very surprised if they have actually given up very much in the longer term. I also think th decision was taken away from them, rather than tehm deciding what they wanted.
In effect they have abdicated, and I can't help but wonder what is this strange effect that American divorcees have on our royalty  Very Happy

52Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 19 2020, 16:11

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Completely wrong, Glos! Try reading a newspaper or TV analysis  that has no axe to grind. Start with this enlightening article......it's lengthy but well worth the time if you want the truth rather than a deliberate, nasty, unwarranted character assassination from the tabloids that have most to lose.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/19/there-is-a-reason-why-royals-demonised-but-wont-read-all-about-it-prince-harry-meghan-markle

53Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 19 2020, 19:01

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@okocha wrote:Completely wrong, Glos! Try reading a newspaper or TV analysis  that has no axe to grind. Start with this enlightening article......it's lengthy but well worth the time if you want the truth rather than a deliberate, nasty, unwarranted character assassination from the tabloids that have most to lose.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/19/there-is-a-reason-why-royals-demonised-but-wont-read-all-about-it-prince-harry-meghan-markle
Interesting article, (and I read it all) Very Happy
I'm aware the press are on their backs all the time. In truth I have no respect for the press, they are biased, cruel, and often disgraceful, in their pursuit of a 'story'.
My comments were about the financial side of things. Although they are supposedly giving back £2.4 million for the cottage,  they are retaining it with a 'commercial' rent, (his dad will pay it),. They will still be living on their celebrity, even though they are not allowed to use the 'Royal Highness' title. 
My comment about the decision being taken away from them was that there were two 'breakaway' royals telling the establishment what they wanted to do, which was quite clearly ignored behind the scenes, and seemingly supported by HM. The removal of any military ties shows how badly the 'firm' took it.
In summary, I have no problem with them leaving the royal circle, its their decision to make, but I feel the wake-up they received when their demands were refused should go some way to them realising that the British public does not owe them anything, nor will they pay just because they are titled, rather than entitled. Having said that, I hope they do well in the future.

54Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Sun Jan 19 2020, 22:01

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Glos, isn't what you believe above still based on the slant the rabid newspapers with vested financial interests choose to assert? These snippets usually come from "a source" or "an insider"......never named.
Always fun to compare the headlines of each of the daily papers to see how different their interpretations of news can be, depending on whether they want to be fair or not.

55Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 18:57

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Guest
An actor/singer called Lawrence Fox is the latest to tell us all the press coverage isn’t racist, and in fact Britain is the most lovely country in Europe and these things don’t really exist here.

Question is, how would he know? Should we not leave it to the people who are likely to experience racism to decide whether or not it exists?

56Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 19:55

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Fantastic performance by lozza on QT.

Wound up all the right people.

57Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 20:10

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Have seen Laurence on Celebrity Gogglebox with his cousin, Emilia Fox. He comes across as a rather dim, foul-mouthed, crude, sneering yob. She, by contrast, is refined and delightful. 

I couldn't comment on whether the press are any more racist than Boris or Farage.....but the majority are indisputably heartless and vicious. 

You'd think that what the press did to Harry's mother would make them more sensitive to his concerns about his wife being treated in the same unfeeling way as Diana was. He has every right to be protective of Meghan and their baby son and to try to escape some of the media invective. 

Canada's press and society are a lot more fair-minded, respectful and sensitive. Most of us would lose our equilibrium and even our sanity, if hounded as grotesquely as Harry and Meghan have been by a sensation-seeking press that ignores all the wonderful charity work and good causes that the loving couple support.

58Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 20:20

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Fantastic performance by lozza on QT.

Wound up all the right people.
Fox's dream dinner guest would, he says, be Jordan Peterson. How anyone would want to spend an evening listening to that pompous prick is beyond me. 
He'd be in good company mind. Two people who can eat, and talk out of their arse at the same time.

59Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 20:35

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@okocha wrote:Glos, isn't what you believe above still based on the slant the rabid newspapers with vested financial interests choose to assert? These snippets usually come from "a source" or "an insider"......never named.
Always fun to compare the headlines of each of the daily papers to see how different their interpretations of news can be, depending on whether they want to be fair or not.
I don't actually read the papers per se. I read a variety of topics from the news on line. I know they are basically the same, but I tend to get them from all over the place. As you say, its interesting to see what theories are expounded by some, and what others deem as the truth.  Its very hard to keep an open mind when someone is strongly agreeing with what you think though. 
I even read articles about Labour and the four stooges, (I don't count Lisa Nandy in that lot as she hasn't done anything wrong yet)  Very Happy

60Press vs Royals - Page 2 Empty Re: Press vs Royals on Mon Jan 20 2020, 20:46

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Two people who can eat, and talk out of their arse at the same time.

Just like when you met Breadman for lunch.

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