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241How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 26 2020, 22:09

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:I think I must be suffering from cabin fever, that's both TROY and yourself that I've agreed on something now.  Very Happy

Smile

242How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 09:11

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Well, the site seems to be struggling for contributions. Little to read except for Nat's love-life and editing advice, along with one or two amusing snippets from Bonce, as usual. Otherwise it's pretty quiet despite the importance of the major dilemmas facing the country and Cummings' extraordinary exploits. The message that Nutters were fed up of politics and Boris-bashing has been made clear. 

However, I find this bit of news fascinating and may provoke some response:

 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52808059

243How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 09:26

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
What can you expect from a man who claims he drives 60 miles to test his eyesight?

I recommend having a look at the front page of the Daily Star if you can - it is like a classic Private Eye cover.

SPOILER ALERT



If you can't find it or can't be bothered it features a cut out cut out Cummings mask and new advice from the police to not drive if you are blind.

244How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 09:33

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Prescription windscreens are the future.

245How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 15:17

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Even if you don't like the content, you've got to admit this is a briliant piece of writing from Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him

246How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 15:31

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:Even if you don't like the content, you've got to admit this is a briliant piece of writing from Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him
It's a great piece. Went out and got the papers for the first time in 3 months, after having given them up. Living without them was fine until the lock down, when I started to miss them.

247How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 16:11

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@okocha wrote:Even if you don't like the content, you've got to admit this is a briliant piece of writing from Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him

Brilliant!

I wonder how many posters will read it though.

248How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 16:50

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:I wonder how many posters will read it though.

I got as far as paragraph 4. Do I win a prize?

249How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 27 2020, 17:57

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Well at least you tried. Smile

250How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu May 28 2020, 15:08

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I read it all, and though I don't particularly like her style of throwing in long or strange words now and then, to make it sound as though its well thought out, she makes some good points. I believe Boris has made an important decision, only this time, its the wrong one, and as the article says, has shown him to be most intent on the Boris bandwagon.
Makes me wonder what we can expect from Brexit, but I have the feeling it could well come to 'nothing'.

251How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 15:57

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I can't defend Boris's behaviour in the last few days, he has lost a wheel off his wagon and the other three look rather unstable.

Yesterday's performance at the Downing Street lectern was pathetic . His treatment of questions from the Lovely Laura and Professor Peston about that arrogant git Cummins was woeful.

252How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:03

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Cajunboy wrote:His treatment of questions from the Lovely Laura and Professor Peston about that arrogant git Cummins was woeful.

I thought the exact opposite.

253How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:09

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
What I will say is this easing of the lockdown is way too early.

It's just gone 4pm and already the locals are breaking out the BBQs, and it looks like there's enough food to feed every tosser in Preston. And it probably will.

I read yesterday we were still getting 7000-9000 new cases a day. I reckon there'll be 9000 new cases on my street by midnight.

How on earth can you ease lockdown when potentially 9,000 people are still getting it every day? I can see nothing but a second wave within a matter of weeks.

This is weak leadership in my opinion. The people don't need to be asked, they need to be told to fucking stay at home or go to prison.

254How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:26

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Agree with all of that Nat. Have to say, I'm getting quite disappointed with the government as a whole. Seem to be ineffective and unable to make decisions, or change them, quickly.

255How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:27

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Natasha Whittam wrote:What I will say is this easing of the lockdown is way too early.

It's just gone 4pm and already the locals are breaking out the BBQs, and it looks like there's enough food to feed every tosser in Preston. And it probably will.

I read yesterday we were still getting 7000-9000 new cases a day. I reckon there'll be 9000 new cases on my street by midnight.

How on earth can you ease lockdown when potentially 9,000 people are still getting it every day? I can see nothing but a second wave within a matter of weeks.

This is weak leadership in my opinion. The people don't need to be asked, they need to be told to fucking stay at home or go to prison.
I voted for Brexit and for Boris at the General Election.  I know he doesn't do detail but he had the charisma and tactics to win an 80 seat majority.  

I know he has been very ill, but he now looks totally out of his depth.   His Trumpesque behaviour in shaking hands with everybody in the hospital months ago now, was the first sign that he doesn't do reality.

He worries me.

I completely agree with your views on the easing of the lockdown and the potential for a second wave of the virus.

256How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:50

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Cajunboy wrote:I voted for Brexit and for Boris at the General Election.  I know he doesn't do detail but he had the charisma and tactics to win an 80 seat majority.  

I know he has been very ill, but he now looks totally out of his depth.   His Trumpesque behaviour in shaking hands with everybody in the hospital months ago now, was the first sign that he doesn't do reality.

He worries me.

I completely agree with your views on the easing of the lockdown and the potential for a second wave of the virus.

There's little doubt the government have been poor. I don't blame them for the slow response at the start of the outbreak, but once the virus was established and it was clear what needed to be done, the government have been way too soft.

Sometimes leaders need to lead. Forget about peoples feelings and rights, and do what is best for the country in the long term. Right from the start it should have been an order to lockdown, not a request with a paltry fine if you're found to be where you shouldn't.

This recent nonsense about only seeing 6 people is bollocks, it's a green light to pass the virus to every person in the country.

257How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 16:53

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Agree with all of that Nat. Have to say, I'm getting quite disappointed with the government as a whole. Seem to be ineffective and unable to make decisions, or change them, quickly.

You expect the people that make up the cabinet to be of above average intelligence. Unfortunately too many of them have been the opposite.

258How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 17:19

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Looking on the bright side the easing of the lockdown does distract attention away from Cummings though. Smile

259How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri May 29 2020, 22:55

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The BBQ is still going strong. Social distancing has been replaced by hugging and wrestling.

260How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat May 30 2020, 16:36

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

There's little doubt the government have been poor. I don't blame them for the slow response at the start of the outbreak, but once the virus was established and it was clear what needed to be done, the government have been way too soft.

Sometimes leaders need to lead. Forget about peoples feelings and rights, and do what is best for the country in the long term. Right from the start it should have been an order to lockdown, not a request with a paltry fine if you're found to be where you shouldn't.

This recent nonsense about only seeing 6 people is bollocks, it's a green light to pass the virus to every person in the country.
I totally agree.

261How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat May 30 2020, 17:48

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Wish this didn’t come across as ‘told you so’, impossible unfortunately. Boris has never displayed the leadership qualities that would suggest he was up to leading the country through normal times, never mind a crisis like this. He was elected because of partisan political views and nothing more.

What’s surprised me is just how incompetent his cabinet are, and the fact they are so desperate to retain the favour of the leadership they have made complete fools of themselves.

262How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat May 30 2020, 19:15

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
I'm genuinely struggling to recall anything the government has done right in response to this crisis.

I remember when some were saying not to politicise the situation...It's a health crisis but it IS also a political crisis, and Boris/Cummings have made it more so.

263How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun May 31 2020, 15:50

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Wish this didn’t come across as ‘told you so’, impossible unfortunately. Boris has never displayed the leadership qualities that would suggest he was up to leading the country through normal times, never mind a crisis like this. He was elected because of partisan political views and nothing more.

What’s surprised me is just how incompetent his cabinet are, and the fact they are so desperate to retain the favour of the leadership they have made complete fools of themselves.
Gove's defence of Cummins was unbelievable. The rest of the cabinet seem like frightened rabbits.

264How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun May 31 2020, 16:27

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

You expect the people that make up the cabinet to be of above average intelligence. Unfortunately too many of them have been the opposite.
Fully agree with this. Where have all the characters, and those able to make decisions, gone?

265How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 13:40

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It still seems crazy that with 100's still dying each day the Government still think this is the time to be relaxing the lockdown. Mark my words we will get a second wave coming and it will be all our fault and not the governments when it does happen.

266How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 15:09

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Actually, they way some people have been behaving, there's a bit of truth in what you say about the apportioning of blame.

267How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 16:03

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
We can't stay in lockdown forever and who knows how long it will be before we are certain that it is safe to resume normal life. So I think it is reasonable to proceed gradually. If there is a second spike we can return to more restrictive measures. As I understand it there is little evidence of an increase in other countries that have relaxed their controls.

What does bother me is that we have a government that keeps lying to us. Track and trace here is a joke. The testing target of 100,000 is only being met on some days by double counting and including tests sent out and not returned. On other days it is not even being met.

268How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 17:06

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Natasha Whittam wrote:What I will say is this easing of the lockdown is way too early.

It's just gone 4pm and already the locals are breaking out the BBQs, and it looks like there's enough food to feed every tosser in Preston. And it probably will.

I read yesterday we were still getting 7000-9000 new cases a day. I reckon there'll be 9000 new cases on my street by midnight.

How on earth can you ease lockdown when potentially 9,000 people are still getting it every day? I can see nothing but a second wave within a matter of weeks.

This is weak leadership in my opinion. The people don't need to be asked, they need to be told to fucking stay at home or go to prison.
Bloody hell it's happened i agree with Nat.!!!

One thing Prime Ministers all have is an eye for detail, they are usually one step ahead and look in control even if they are in a fix, step up Boris Johnson a chancer who everyone knows he doesn't do detail. That's why when the going gets tough he disappears, and that is why we are up shit creek.

269How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 17:51

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wessy wrote:
Bloody hell it's happened i agree with Nat.!!!

One thing Prime Ministers all have is an eye for detail, they are usually one step ahead and look in control even if they are in a fix, step up Boris Johnson a chancer who everyone knows he doesn't do detail. That's why when the going gets tough he disappears, and that is why we are up shit creek.
We should be playing chess with this virus. Boris is playing poker.

270How is the Tory government doing? - Page 9 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jun 01 2020, 18:50

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Piers Morgan is an annoying loudmouth who rudely shouts others down, and I have rarely given him the time of day or agreed with him about anything.... but he is right about Cummings and Johnson, which puts him in line with the vast majority of the public in his condemnation of the pair of them.....  

 A bit of a shock to find myself nodding as he tore them apart this morning!!

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