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391How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jun 24 2020, 12:01

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
More details of just how corrupt the Tory party is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53158002

392How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jun 24 2020, 12:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:More details of just how corrupt the Tory party is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53158002
I don't think the "if you've got nothing to hide then you won't mind publishing the documents" line works in this day and age, just as it didn't in Yeltsin's Russia when Dominic Cummings was there learning his trade. Or Trump's America when they wanted to check his tax returns. Or Johnson's Britain burying the report on Russia's involvement in Brexit.

In all cases you'd think it was in the public interest to see the evidence so that we can decide for ourselves but apparently "let's move on" is an acceptable legal argument in 2020.

393How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jun 25 2020, 18:47

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Don't suppose anyone is surprised at this piece of news on the BBC website:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53184674

394How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jun 25 2020, 21:52

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Boris telling lies again. Do even his supporters believe him?

395How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jun 25 2020, 22:49

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
When you start regarding Lammy as a balanced source, then you really are grabbing at straws.

396How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 07:56

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
It is a simple factual matter. Either 16 recommendations have been implemented or they haven't.

Boris is a serial liar who believes the truth is what he wants it to be not what it exists in reality. It seems to be official Tory policy to lie and keep lying because there is research that shows the more often a lie is told the more likely it is to be believed.

397How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 07:58

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
@gloswhite wrote:When you start regarding Lammy as a balanced source, then you really are grabbing at straws.

The man who wrote the report? Surely there’s nobody more qualified to comment on it?

398How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 09:11

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
I've always thought Lammy comes across as a dignified, reasoned politician, certainly on Question Time, Newsnight, Sky and Marr. Anyway, Boris' grotesque denials, lies, avoidance of scrutiny and wild blustering make Lammy look like a paragon of serenity and honesty. 

Glos, are you sure you're not getting him mixed up with tory Cleverley?

399How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 10:52

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 EbX-H0NXsAACKvY?format=jpg&name=360x360
Suspected spoof, but made me laugh!

Boris' photo opp with Richard Desmond in 2014

Boris in 2020: I have never met Richard Desmond and he has no more access to ministers than any other Tory billionaire donors.

400How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 12:05

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
The photo is genuine but Boris has refused permission for the BBC to use it. So much for open government.

401How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 12:28

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Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Unreal that the BBC have asked for permission, the Tory attack on them seems to be having its desired affect.

402How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jun 26 2020, 17:19

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@okocha wrote:I've always thought Lammy comes across as a dignified, reasoned politician, certainly on Question Time, Newsnight, Sky and Marr. Anyway, Boris' grotesque denials, lies, avoidance of scrutiny and wild blustering make Lammy look like a paragon of serenity and honesty. 

Glos, are you sure you're not getting him mixed up with tory Cleverley?
NO! he's talking about that twat Lammy!

403How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 15:33

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I'm back! Smile

And here is the latest example of this government wasting money:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/26/satellite-experts-oneweb-investment-uk-galileo-brexit

404How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 15:44

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:

The man who wrote the report? Surely there’s nobody more qualified to comment on it?
Wrong there TROY. Whoever writes a report is the one who can emphasise, add, or omit, and even slant the final report to whatever they want it to be.

405How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 15:46

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@Cajunboy wrote:
NO! he's talking about that twat Lammy!
Certainly not. Cleverley is a far better politician than Lammy. I'm with Cajun on this  Very Happy

406How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 16:07

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Who let xmiles back?

:trust:

407How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 16:09

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Who let xmiles back?

:trust:
The mods are yesterday's men. We're in charge now.

408How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 16:47

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Who let xmiles back?

:trust:
Bullery ! 
We know he's a shy and retiring left wing radical, and this could upset him  Very Happy

409How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 18:52

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Crying or Very sad

410How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 19:09

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
@gloswhite wrote:
Wrong there TROY. Whoever writes a report is the one who can emphasise, add, or omit, and even slant the final report to whatever they want it to be.

He’s commenting on which of his recommendations have been implemented. There’s not really a slant to take, they either are implemented or they’re not.

411How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 20:13

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:

He’s commenting on which of his recommendations have been implemented. There’s not really a slant to take, they either are implemented or they’re not.
Oops !  I wonder what I was thinking of.
There again, he was only commenting on his own views of previously  (I'm squirming here) Very Happy

412How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 20:46

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Nothing to be ashamed of glos. Smile

413How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jun 27 2020, 21:30

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Very Happy

414How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 17:45

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka


What a bunch of pisstakers.

415How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 18:05

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:

What a bunch of pisstakers.
He doesn't really need to know anything about national security seeing as Cummings will be telling him what to do and say, but it's very refreshing to see the former PM asking pertinent questions of her own Government.

416How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 19:37

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
An interesting development re the loveable Mr, Cummings:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53212434

417How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 20:49

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Lets hope she gets her funding, but I can't help but feel this attempt will be quietly pushed into the long grass. There's a lot of powerful people out there who will put every obstacle in her way. 

Regarding the appointment of a politician with no Security experience as a Head of National Security is ludicrous. Knowledge and understanding of the subject is built up over many years. 
I believe this is another maneuver by Cummings to trim or shape the Civil Service, but this time he's got it very wrong, and whats disappointing is that Boris has rubber stamped it. 
No wonder the polls are showing Keir Starmer is more popular than the PM at the moment.

418How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 22:26

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I agree glos.

419How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 22:35

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Will xmiles, okocha & TROY be digging deep?

420How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jun 30 2020, 22:42

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
It's all about control: Deliberately put in place a cabinet made up of entirely Brexit-supporting ministers; attempt to control and vilify sections of the press, whilst Boris sways the Telegraph through his regular column; threaten and blacken the name of the BBC; pick and choose who can interview ministers (no Piers or Ch4 or Andrew Neil); attempt to (illegally) prorogue parliament; favour Tory donors; smear the judiciary; pressurise the police; reform the civil service, ousting the top man who happens to be a remainer and replacing him with a man Cummings can manipulate....etc

More like a dictatorship every day with lying, evasion, denials, cover-ups, witholding reports, disortion of facts. They think we have forgotten or will forget "little" things like counting items of protective gloves as two separate items....which shows how low they are prepared to sink to put a favourable gloss on reality and con the gullible.

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