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961How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:40

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:I agree with you entrely.
Prior to the referendum I asked “if we are going to tear up the 40 odd trade agreements we have in place, give up our seat at the table of the biggest procurement group in the world and take on a whole raft of new costs, what will leaving the EU give us that will make all that worthwhile?”
The answers I got were vacuous statements about “freedom”, illogical arguments about legislation and something I didn’t understand about hotpot.

Apparently the EU is preventing us from eating hotpot.

Seems that when we eventually leave we‘lol be able to eat as much hotpot as we like but unfortunately won’t be able to afford it.

962How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:49

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@sunlight wrote:I agree with you entrely.
Prior to the referendum I asked “if we are going to tear up the 40 odd trade agreements we have in place, give up our seat at the table of the biggest procurement group in the world and take on a whole raft of new costs, what will leaving the EU give us that will make all that worthwhile?”
The answers I got were vacuous statements about “freedom”, illogical arguments about legislation and something I didn’t understand about hotpot.

Apparently the EU is preventing us from eating hotpot.

You voted FOR Brexit!!!!

You got what you wished for!

Ffs!!!

Your ACTION in putting your 'x' against the box for Brexit speaks louder than all the WORDS you've poured out on here (and who knows where else), since - and my God there's been enough of them!

You've made your bed, now prepare to lie in it.

963How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 15:53

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
One day (fairly soon, I hope), Boris and some of his simple sycophants will wake up from a terrible nightmare, short of breath and in a hot sweat, not from Covid, but from a realisation of just where devotion to Cummings' philosophies has led them. The country will not forgive them.

Best advice Boris could take would be to go home to his fiance and child, leave behind all the stress, accept he's not up to the demands of PM, and see if he can make a better job of being a partner and father this time round.



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964How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 16:11

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
How do countries such as Norway go on, whom arent in the EU go on? What is the script there, in simple terms? And can the UK become the same as Norway?

965How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Sep 10 2020, 23:14

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:How do countries such as Norway go on, whom arent in the EU go on? What is the script there, in simple terms? And can the UK become the same as Norway?
They have a small population and massive natural resources so basically they are a lot richer per capita than the U.K.
Prices and salaries are high eg beer is £10 a pint but they can afford it and because of the strength of their economy, holidays etc in other countries are dirt cheap to them.
And there’s no way we can be like them unless we discover the world’s largest diamond and gold deposits under Bolton town hall

966How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 01:01

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@wanderlust wrote:
They have a small population and massive natural resources so basically they are a lot richer per capita than the U.K.
Prices and salaries are high eg beer is £10 a pint but they can afford it and because of the strength of their economy, holidays etc in other countries are dirt cheap to them.
And there’s no way we can be like them unless we discover the world’s largest diamond and gold deposits under Bolton town hall

What you posted is interesting. Though I was meaning in terms of them trading with the EU whilst not being in the EU. That is what I was asking.

967How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 09:36

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:

What you posted is interesting. Though I was meaning in terms of them trading with the EU whilst not being in the EU. That is what I was asking.
They have an agreement and are in the single market. 
Have a look at EFTA

968How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 11:21

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:How do countries such as Norway go on, whom arent in the EU go on? What is the script there, in simple terms? And can the UK become the same as Norway?
Re the second question:

It’s complex.
We were a founder member of EFTA but later joined the EU and signed up to Schengen (free movement)
As an EFTA member Norway has free trade agreement with the EU (no tariffs either way) And is free to make independent agreements with other countries around the world - but it also voluntarily signed up to Schengen.
Switzerland- another EFTA country - didn’t sign up to Schengen and has a raft of individual agreements with EU countries and others.
Even some EU states are not signed up to Schengen eg Bulgaria but they will have to eventually.
Ireland has signed up to free movement but has retained an opt out clause.

So there are many options and different ways of securing a deal with the EU but if you remember back in 2016 we were in the grip of the fear of terrorist attack. We could have done several things eg chuck a billion or so at our security and intelligence services and enforce the detention powers we already had in the EU rigorously.
But at the height of the xenophobic frenzy we went for a referendum as the Tory owned media especially Murdoch who hates the EU for not bending to his will,  blamed the EU - rather than our own government who were clearly negligent - and were actually cutting departmental expenditure instead of increasing in response to what in the scheme of things was a minor threat and could have been quashed with investment and increased resources.
So when it came round to discussing the “Norway model” (which the leave campaign used to sell the idea that Brexit would be something like that) the concept of free movement was off the table.

So it is a misconception that free trade cannot be achieved without free movement - but it would be a lot easier to achieve if we accept free movement AND massively boost our intelligence and security services which tbh we’ll probably end up doing anyway.
That would make us like Norway.

Obviously the most effective way of getting the best trade deals, negotiating new ones and ensuring national security would have been to stay in the EU, boost security spending and work with our partners for continuous improvement but we’ve flushed that away now.

969How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 11:45

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Had to laugh this morning. Liz Truss has signed a trade deal with Japan that is almost identical to the one we had in the EU but one bloke wrote:

“Great news about the trade deal with Japan, but I give it a month before the Department for Trade announces that they didn’t read it properly and have no idea who wrote it, so now need to change it to allow Japan to hunt people from Wales.”

970How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 12:19

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Laughing

971How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 12:22

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
On a far more serious note, this article  summarises exactly what I believe is going on with the government’s strategy, shows exactly where it comes from and exactly where it’s going to take us.
Ok it’s been published in the Gurniad but if you can get past any latent tendencies to discount it purely on the basis of the publisher it does bring to light some surprising economic facts and explodes some economic myths.
I knew Germany manufactures 3 times as much as the U.K. but what I hadn’t realised is that they already export twice as much to Canada, Australia and New Zealand than we do.

A must read for anyone interested in what our future holds and why we are being taken there.
Also provides a clear picture of who is pulling the strings.

972How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 12:34

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@wanderlust wrote:On a far more serious note, this article  summarises exactly what I believe is going on with the government’s strategy, shows exactly where it comes from and exactly where it’s going to take us.
Ok it’s been published in the Gurniad but if you can get past any latent tendencies to discount it purely on the basis of the publisher it does bring to light some surprising economic facts and explodes some economic myths.
I knew Germany manufactures 3 times as much as the U.K. but what I hadn’t realised is that they already export twice as much to Canada, Australia and New Zealand than we do.

A must read for anyone interested in what our future holds and why we are being taken there.
Also provides a clear picture of who is pulling the strings.

Again an informative article but how many brexit fans on this site will read it? Facts are toxic to brexiteers. Brexit fans on here don't even bother trying to dispute the facts. They prefer to close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and pretend all those lies Boris fed them are really going to happen - just like his ludicrous and impossible moon shot.

973How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Sep 11 2020, 13:12

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:

Again an informative article but how many brexit fans on this site will read it? Facts are toxic to brexiteers. Brexit fans on here don't even bother trying to dispute the facts. They prefer to close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears and pretend all those lies Boris fed them are really going to happen - just like his ludicrous and impossible moon shot.
In the USA today’s voting intentions study shows that voters are already locked in to their candidates regardless of the facts or the news. Same here I suspect. We are already too far down the road to ruin to change now unfortunately.

974How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 17:01

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The government’s plan to reopen theatres in time for Christmas apparently has the code name “Operation Sleeping Beauty” - an odd choice given that the fairytale’s plot is about how one careless prick can lead to th whole place being shut down for a century.

975How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 17:41

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:The government’s plan to reopen theatres in time for Christmas apparently has the code name “Operation Sleeping Beauty” - an odd choice given that the fairytale’s plot is about how one careless prick can lead to th whole place being shut down for a century.

Give it a fucking rest.

976How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 17:46

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Cheltenham's Everyman Theatre have cancelled the pantomime already.

977How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 18:02

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@gloswhite wrote:Cheltenham's Everyman Theatre have cancelled the pantomime already.

Oh no it's not.

978How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 19:30

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Very Happy

979How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 21:24

finlaymcdanger

finlaymcdanger
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@wanderlust wrote:The government’s plan to reopen theatres in time for Christmas apparently has the code name “Operation Sleeping Beauty” - an odd choice given that the fairytale’s plot is about how one careless prick can lead to th whole place being shut down for a century.
cheers

980How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 21:32

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:

Give it a fucking rest.
Sense of humour failure kp?
Lighten up ffs.

981How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 22:02

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@karlypants wrote:

Give it a fucking rest.
Sense of humour failure kp?
Lighten up ffs.

Karly's only said what we all think.

You're the consistently negative fucker on here.

Everything's always doom and gloom with you.

As for this...

@wanderlust wrote:I’m really starting to have second thoughts about returning to the pox-ridden U.K. 

...don't bother, we certainly won't miss you...

...or your attitude.

982How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 22:13

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Multiple quotes again. It seems there is one rule for Sluffy and one for the rest of us.

983How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 22:17

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I personally thought Wander was just posting a joke...

984How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 22:26

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@BoltonTillIDie wrote:I personally thought Wander was just posting a joke...
Of course.....and quite a clever joke too, but its subtlety seems to have gone right over the heads of one or two posters sadly.

985How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 23:08

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Last time I checked, this thread was about people's opinions on how this Tory Government was doing.
Wander, like most of us, is obviously of the opinion that that they aren't doing very well and he says so, very eloquently and cleverly I might add.
Got nothing to do with with being a doom monger or negative fucker.
The other thing is that every time Sluffy gets into an argument with someone and comes out with line "Karly (or someone else) is only saying what we all think", I find myself thinking "No we aren't. How the fuck have you managed to come to that conclusion"

986How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 23:11

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Hip Priest wrote:Last time I checked, this thread was about people's opinions on how this Tory Government was doing.
Wander, like most of us, is obviously of the opinion that that they aren't doing very well and he says so, very eloquently and cleverly I might add.
Got nothing to do with with being a doom monger or negative fucker.
The other thing is that every time Sluffy gets into an argument with someone and comes out with line "Karly (or someone else) is only saying what we all think", I find myself thinking "No we aren't. How the fuck have you managed to come to that conclusion"

:agree:

987How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 23:21

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:
Of course.....and quite a clever joke too, but its subtlety seems to have gone right over the heads of one or two posters sadly.
Stay out of it guys. He’s just trying yet again to have another snidey dig.
Anyway it’s kinda funny how he thinks he speaks for everyone.

988How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Sep 12 2020, 23:35

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Hip Priest wrote:Last time I checked, this thread was about people's opinions on how this Tory Government was doing.
Wander, like most of us, is obviously of the opinion that that they aren't doing very well and he says so, very eloquently and cleverly I might add.
Got nothing to do with with being a doom monger or negative fucker.
The other thing is that every time Sluffy gets into an argument with someone and comes out with line "Karly (or someone else) is only saying what we all think", I find myself thinking "No we aren't. How the fuck have you managed to come to that conclusion"

1 - Yes you are correct that is the thread title
2 - Fwiw, I don't think they are doing very well either - but I doubt any government would under the circumstance of a world pandemic which we weren't prepared for.
3 - I was referring to his attitude across everything he posts, not just exclusively this thread - Trump, the BBC, Ken Anderson, Brexit, BWFC - anything and everything at all in fact.
4 - Finally I'd be interested for you to quote me any other time I used that phrase - because I don't recall ever doing so before, at least not anytime recently, if ever?
5 - And I came to that conclusion because he IS a negative fucker, as evidenced by his avalanche of constant negative comments on a daily basis.  Forgive me for assuming everyone had picked upon on that long before now, as clearly you haven't.

989How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 13 2020, 00:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
My views on the danger that this government is putting my children’s and my country’s future in are heartfelt. I wouldn’t consider warning people not to put their head in a blender as “being negative” and equally neither is expressing my opinion on this matter.
If you feel it’s ok to stumble blindly into a catastrophe you are welcome to say so but at least allow me and others disagree without resorting pathetic carping and drivelling rhetoric.

990How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Sep 13 2020, 01:02

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:My views on the danger that this government is putting my children’s and my country’s future in are heartfelt. I wouldn’t consider warning people not to put their head in a blender as “being negative” and equally neither is expressing my opinion on this matter.
If you feel it’s ok to stumble blindly into a catastrophe you are welcome to say so but at least allow me and others disagree without resorting pathetic carping and drivelling rhetoric.

This government was democratically elected.

It's leader, democratically elected.

It's leader AND the party even going once more to the country to be democratically elected - BY A LANDSLIDE.

It's one and only priority (at least until the pandemic struck) was to deliver Brexit - which was democratically voted on and which YOU EVEN VOTED IN FAVOUR OF!!!

Now you might not like the party, its leader or its politics, indeed I may not like the party, its leader, or their politics BUT they WON in not one but several free and open democratically held elections.

The country had spoken - repeatedly!!!

Now what are you going to do about it if you don't like it that much because bitching about it on a small BWFC forum isn't going to achieve anything is it???

You act like you are a spoilt petulant child who can't have his own way, moaning and whining continually - what good will that achieve?

If you've got any balls you'd go out and do something about it especially if you were even half as fired up as you like to make out you are on here - but you're not that type - it's always somebody else's fault, you know best, you are never wrong, they should have listened to you.

Well you know mate when it comes to Brexit, they did - you voted for it and you've got a party and a Prime Minister who is going to deliver it for you - YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU VOTED FOR.

Clever you - the only tangible thing you've probably done in the last decade and it's turned out to be your own personal worst nightmare!  If it indeed does turns out to be a "catastrophe" that YOU are the one who VOTED FOR IT ffs - not me!

That's how smart and astute you actually are.

You are simply no more than just another champagne socialist who loves to talk about equality and fairness but when it comes down to it all you really are concerned about is how things will effect yourself and personally and more importantly still - how they will effect your wealth!

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