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401Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu Jan 06 2022, 14:07

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:The government has now introduced a raft of new documentation to be completed by importers of goods and parts to the UK effective from the 1st of January. This is the next phase of the Brexit hard border that will be phased in over the coming months.

Despite this being the "post-Xmas quiet period" already lorries are being turned back at Calais but to avoid images of queues appearing on the news, freight forwarders are being told to do the documentation in depots before setting off for the border where rigorous checks will be made.

Meanwhile...
The new Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) trade agreement came into force on January 1st covering fifteen member countries – Australia, Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.
The world’s largest free trading bloc is now open for business.
The countries that make up the trade deal account for around 30% of the world’s population (2.2 billion people) and 30% of global GDP ($26.2 trillion), making it the largest trading bloc in history.

I'm not a betting man, but I wouldn't be surprised if the RCEP, the USA and the EU prioritise setting up trade deals with each other.

Of course they’ll want to trade with each other but within the ten years or more it will take the EU bureaucrats to agree a deal we’ll probably have already done our own UK deal and be trading.

402Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Thu Jan 06 2022, 14:46

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:

Of course they’ll want to trade with each other but within the ten years or more it will take the EU bureaucrats to agree a deal we’ll probably have already done our own UK deal and be trading.
Perhaps but because the Americans have already told Boris to get to the back of the queue  I suspect we've painted ourselves into a corner.

Hello India!

403Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 11 2022, 21:00

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

404Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 12 2022, 13:41

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:More Brexit hypocrisy.

Come on Lusty, there hadn’t been a pandemic then and there wasn’t an energy crisis. If we keep cutting taxes, how are we going to afford the bale outs and pay down the debt? If we drop the VAT here they’ll only have to tax somewhere else and there are other ways to tackle the problem for those worst hit. In fact there are better ways period. Stop this insane net zero rush, increase NS Gas production, implement fracking and stop the reliance on foreign imports when we can do it cheaper ourselves and benefit consumers young and old.

405Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 12 2022, 17:02

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:

Come on Lusty, there hadn’t been a pandemic then and there wasn’t an energy crisis. If we keep cutting taxes, how are we going to afford the bale outs and pay down the debt? If we drop the VAT here they’ll only have to tax somewhere else and there are other ways to tackle the problem for those worst hit. In fact there are better ways period. Stop this insane net zero rush, increase NS Gas production, implement fracking and stop the reliance on foreign imports when we can do it cheaper ourselves and benefit consumers young and old.
White - it's not about the excuses for why the Brexit promises have not and will not be delivered - it's not even about promising unicorns to rig the vote - it's about the U turns in strategy to ameliorate the damage.

And exactly how will increasing NS gas production help the UK economy? I can see how it helps global companies like Exxon and INEOS but since Thatcher sold off the NS fossil fuel rights to them and others we have no control over production and we don't own the gas that is produced in our own back yard.

Sure there'd be more gas to buy but the price would be exactly the same as it's fixed globally.

406Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 12 2022, 17:26

Sluffy

Sluffy
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It's a bit of a myth you're pedalling isn't it about Thatcher selling off of the North Sea oil and gas?

As far as I recall at the time the country simply couldn't afford the billions to invest on the technology development to extract and deliver the oil and gas the only way these resources could be obtained was by putting up the fields for sale by auction.

If they hadn't done that it would all still be there under the bottom of the North sea!

And you claim I twist things!!!!

:rofl:

408Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 18 2022, 12:44

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker


Why do you bother only focussing on the negatives Lusty, whilst completely ignoring any positives? Let’s just agree to differ on Brexit and leave it there because it’s utterly pointless looking for and posting alternate views. Brexit happened, why not try getting behind it instead of constantly upsetting yourself by wallowing in negativity?

409Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 18 2022, 13:16

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:
White - it's not about the excuses for why the Brexit promises have not and will not be delivered - it's not even about promising unicorns to rig the vote - it's about the U turns in strategy to ameliorate the damage.

And exactly how will increasing NS gas production help the UK economy? I can see how it helps global companies like Exxon and INEOS but since Thatcher sold off the NS fossil fuel rights to them and others we have no control over production and we don't own the gas that is produced in our own back yard.

Sure there'd be more gas to buy but the price would be exactly the same as it's fixed globally.

Lusty, you need to drop this silly argument about North Sea Oil. Yes Thatcher sold off the rights to developing the North Sea but only because we didn’t have the money to invest, which private enterprise did. Thatcher wasn’t daft and taxed the companies heavily to bring in billions to the governments coffers. 

You’re right about production now being sold at market prices but again, tax levels are within the governments gift and could be applied as necessary. It would also help if Boris amended his ridiculous green agenda against fracking in the North. This country sits on enough oil, gas and coal to more than satisfy our needs and keep costs down so instead of importing these items whilst virtue signalling as an eco warrior, Boris should think more about his voters here and accept that fossil fuels will be with us for decades to come. Renewables will come but not yet.

410Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 18 2022, 13:37

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Ws63. Please could you list all the positive things that you  claim Boris and co have achieved.

 The government found the money for the vaccine roll-out (well done!), but the work was undertaken by the brilliant scientists and dedicated NHS staff. 
Action by the government was too slow and inadequate: resulting in the fact that we have one of the highest death-rates in Europe, so nothing to crow about there.

Please don't give me: "We got Brexit done", as that is proving a disaster, based on lies.

411Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 18 2022, 14:13

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:

Why do you bother only focussing on the negatives Lusty, whilst completely ignoring any positives? Let’s just agree to differ on Brexit and leave it there because it’s utterly pointless looking for and posting alternate views. Brexit happened, why not try getting behind it instead of constantly upsetting yourself by wallowing in negativity?
That was just yesterday's news White - I'm sure there will be lot's of positives today Smile


Will The Conservatives Get Borisexit Done for example?

412Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Tue Jan 18 2022, 17:20

Guest


Guest

Whitesince63 wrote:

Why do you bother only focussing on the negatives Lusty, whilst completely ignoring any positives? Let’s just agree to differ on Brexit and leave it there because it’s utterly pointless looking for and posting alternate views. Brexit happened, why not try getting behind it instead of constantly upsetting yourself by wallowing in negativity?

If you can't tell us any positives why would anybody else be able to?

413Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 10:25

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Well you obviously only focus on negatives in the news Troy, so why should I bother adding anything positive. Maybe unemployment falling, more people in work, more jobs available, wages rising, people moving into better paid jobs and the fall out from hospitality jobs moving to distribution and warehousing jobs, more new companies being created in high growth areas than France and Germany combined might justify some positivity but it’s clearly not important to you so why should I bother? 😉

414Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 11:43

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:Well you obviously only focus on negatives in the news Troy, so why should I bother adding anything positive. Maybe unemployment falling, more people in work, more jobs available, wages rising, people moving into better paid jobs and the fall out from hospitality jobs moving to distribution and warehousing jobs, more new companies being created in high growth areas than France and Germany combined might justify some positivity but it’s clearly not important to you so why should I bother? 😉
I can see it now..Smile

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415Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 12:45

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

They're panicking in the EU. Apparently inflation has reached 3.30% - and may go as high as 4.5% before 2022 is out - way above the 2% they were predicting.

416Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 13:49

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:They're panicking in the EU. Apparently inflation has reached 3.30% - and may go as high as 4.5% before 2022 is out - way above the 2% they were predicting.

Yes and the difference now is that whilst individual countries can’t do anything about it, however badly it affects their economy, we can thanks to Brexit. Another good reason we’re out. 🥳

Also, be careful that pie doesn’t drop on your face Lusty!!

417Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 14:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:

Yes and the difference now is that whilst individual countries can’t do anything about it, however badly it affects their economy, we can thanks to Brexit.
True. We've managed to get our inflation up to 5.4% so take that Europe! We win!

418Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 14:46

Guest


Guest

Whitesince63 wrote:

Yes and the difference now is that whilst individual countries can’t do anything about it, however badly it affects their economy, we can thanks to Brexit. Another good reason we’re out. 🥳

Also, be careful that pie doesn’t drop on your face Lusty!!

The EU never had control of our fiscal policy, we have the Bank of England - what controls have we won back?

419Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 16:22

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:
True. We've managed to get our inflation up to 5.4% so take that Europe! We win!

Our economy’s growing faster too Lusty and so are wages.

420Brexit Watch - Page 21 Empty Re: Brexit Watch Wed Jan 19 2022, 16:24

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

T.R.O.Y. wrote:

The EU never had control of our fiscal policy, we have the Bank of England - what controls have we won back?

Taxation and VAT? D’er..

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