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61Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Sun Feb 02 2020, 02:23

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:This sort of thing does worry me, where have these lies come from and why do they both believe them so vehemently?

https://twitter.com/katarinawbureau/status/1223579044022771715?s=21
What I saw were two ladies who had the gist of one aspect of what is happening but were not articulate enough to voice it. 
Reading some of the arrogant bastards who commented on the interview, below the video, sums up, to me, the view the vast majority of Remainers have of all those who wanted to leave the EU.  Remarkably similar to those views expressed on here, in fact.
What I saw was two ladies who had no idea what the EU does, what our Government does, who decides what or which bits of EU legislation everybody needs, appreciates and takes for granted. Really sad, but the fact is that our role in the EU is/was complex and the video demonstrates the difference between selling a complex argument with pros and cons and selling a catchphrase - a difference that has been fully exploited by populists globally and Cummings in the UK in particular.

62Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Sun Feb 02 2020, 15:49

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:This sort of thing does worry me, where have these lies come from and why do they both believe them so vehemently?

https://twitter.com/katarinawbureau/status/1223579044022771715?s=21
What I saw were two ladies who had the gist of one aspect of what is happening but were not articulate enough to voice it. 
Reading some of the arrogant bastards who commented on the interview, below the video, sums up, to me, the view the vast majority of Remainers have of all those who wanted to leave the EU.  Remarkably similar to those views expressed on here, in fact.
What I saw was two ladies who had no idea what the EU does, what our Government does, who decides what or which bits of EU legislation everybody needs, appreciates and takes for granted. Really sad, but the fact is that our role in the EU is/was complex and the video demonstrates the difference between selling a complex argument with pros and cons and selling a catchphrase - a difference that has been fully exploited by populists globally and Cummings in the UK in particular.
I have no doubt if you had the time and patience to speak to either of these ladies, they would probably know more than they are able to say in a small soundbite, and lets be honest, do all of us know all that's been going on, and if we did, could we tell the world in a couple of minutes or less?

63Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Sun Feb 02 2020, 23:00

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:This sort of thing does worry me, where have these lies come from and why do they both believe them so vehemently?

https://twitter.com/katarinawbureau/status/1223579044022771715?s=21
What I saw were two ladies who had the gist of one aspect of what is happening but were not articulate enough to voice it. 
Reading some of the arrogant bastards who commented on the interview, below the video, sums up, to me, the view the vast majority of Remainers have of all those who wanted to leave the EU.  Remarkably similar to those views expressed on here, in fact.
What I saw was two ladies who had no idea what the EU does, what our Government does, who decides what or which bits of EU legislation everybody needs, appreciates and takes for granted. Really sad, but the fact is that our role in the EU is/was complex and the video demonstrates the difference between selling a complex argument with pros and cons and selling a catchphrase - a difference that has been fully exploited by populists globally and Cummings in the UK in particular.
I have no doubt if you had the time and patience to speak to either of these ladies, they would probably know more than they are able to say in a small soundbite, and lets be honest, do all of us know all that's been going on, and if we did, could we tell the world in a couple of minutes or less?
They misquoted soundbites which were false statements in the first place Glos. How much more misguided could they be?
But they got to vote and that is exactly why we're leaving.

64Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Sun Feb 02 2020, 23:09

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Still a month to go before negotiating a deal with the EU begins and they've fallen out already with Raab saying we won't be meeting the EU (minimum) standards or complying with state aid regulation.

The latter is particularly interesting as the Tories have a track record of throwing public money at their mates in big business and Raab wants to be free of the restrictions put on that by the EU.

65Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 07:27

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Why would we wish to meet low EU standards on anything.

We're out now and can set our own standards.

66Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 10:05

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I can never understand why people think we should negotiate from a position of weakness. The EU have bullied us for over 3 years and will no doubt try to do it again. Barnier has already tried it by saying we should have full alignment when it was agreed previously that we wouldn't. And so it will go on.

67Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 10:10

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would we wish to meet low EU standards on anything.

Were out now and can set our own standards.
Problem is HN, very few, if any, ex Remainers have any faith in this country's ability to run itself.

68Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 10:24

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
We won't let the Yanks bully us of course.

69Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 10:36

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Its looking that way at the moment, but they bully everyone. I think the impeachment process currently playing itself out demonstrates that perfectly.

70Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 11:11

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Its looking that way at the moment, but they bully everyone. I think the impeachment process currently playing itself out demonstrates that perfectly.
Trouble ahead for Trump. His problems are just beginning.

71Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 12:44

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would we wish to meet low EU standards on anything.

We're out now and can set our own standards.
Why would we not wish to meet minimum standards?

Presumably the Tory thinking is if we lower standards there is more profitability for their mates.

72Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 19:40

Guest


Guest
Government tried to block the free press today. Unbelievable that so many people have looked over at the state of Trump’s US and thought - ye we could do with a bit of that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html

73Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 20:17

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Does anyone remember Sajid Javid saying before the election, "No department will be cut next year. Every single department has had its budget for day to day spending increased at least in line with inflation. That's what I mean by the end of austerity."


Is everyone aware that since then he announced a 5% cut in all departments?
Don't believe Tory lies; they only ever win by lying; don't be a mug.

74Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 20:26

Guest


Guest
I don’t think it matters to their voters be honest. The lies are well documented, it’s gone the way of Trump in the US - policies/credibility don’t matter. It’s all about a vague ‘destination’ ie Get Brexit Done - how and you what gain aren’t important anymore just so long as the other side don’t gain control.

Unfortunately that blind support essentially gives this government a blank cheque to behave as they please, so long as the ‘destination’ and the country’s polarisation over that issue is maintained.

75Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 21:05

Guest


Guest
Just read this on Twitter in response to Boris’s speech today, can’t argue with it.

“I am here to warn you that free trade is being choked,” says @BorisJohnson, who has taken his country out of the world’s biggest free trade zone, and put up non tariff barriers for all businesses”

76Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 21:16

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Is this the future, you posting the same material post after post?

77Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Mon Feb 03 2020, 21:27

Guest


Guest
Might be, doesn’t seem to be much going on here. Talking to myself is probably the best we can hope for.

78Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 00:49

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
"Brexit Watch" is like having a thread about personal jet pack traffic - worth discussing when it happens.

79Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 08:07

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would we wish to meet low EU standards on anything.

We're out now and can set our own standards.
Why would we not wish to meet minimum standards?

Presumably the Tory thinking is if we lower standards there is more profitability for their mates.

As Boris laid out yesterday in his wonderful speech.

We already have higher standards in almost every area.

I repeat we will not be forced to accept their low standards.

80Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 08:55

Guest


Guest
@wanderlust wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Why would we wish to meet low EU standards on anything.

We're out now and can set our own standards.
Why would we not wish to meet minimum standards?

Presumably the Tory thinking is if we lower standards there is more profitability for their mates.

Essentially (despite what Hipsters falsely claiming) EU food standards are amongst the highest in the world - as are our own. 

In Feb last year, the US Trade Representative made clear we'd need to ditch these as a condition for a trade deal with them - essentially breaking down a barrier to trade and opening our market up to their manufacturers.

So despite Boris denying it will happen, we have seen him lie a few times in similar circumstances and as a result trust is low.

81Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 10:53

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Woah!! This is a serious and sinister move, threatening democracy and reminiscent of similar moves by countries which are grotesquely state-controlled:

 "Today's "i" newspaper leads on the banning yesterday of its political editor and journalists from a number of other news organisations  from a Downing Street briefing.
[size=13]The paper says shutting out certain publications damages the bedrock of a free media, which exists to help hold the government to account.
The Mirror  - another excluded newspaper - describes the move as tin-pot tyranny.Downing Street must never be allowed to dictate what you read, hear and see, it says, or democracy is undermined."[/size]

82Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:08

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:Woah!! This is a serious and sinister move, threatening democracy and reminiscent of similar moves by countries which are grotesquely state-controlled:

 "Today's "i" newspaper leads on the banning yesterday of its political editor and journalists from a number of other news organisations  from a Downing Street briefing.
[size=13]The paper says shutting out certain publications damages the bedrock of a free media, which exists to help hold the government to account.
The Mirror  - another excluded newspaper - describes the move as tin-pot tyranny.Downing Street must never be allowed to dictate what you read, hear and see, it says, or democracy is undermined."[/size]
Straight out of the Trump/Anderson playbook Smile. 1984-style totalitarianism is the future Smile

83Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:13

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:Woah!! This is a serious and sinister move, threatening democracy and reminiscent of similar moves by countries which are grotesquely state-controlled:

 "Today's "i" newspaper leads on the banning yesterday of its political editor and journalists from a number of other news organisations  from a Downing Street briefing.
[size=13]The paper says shutting out certain publications damages the bedrock of a free media, which exists to help hold the government to account.
The Mirror  - another excluded newspaper - describes the move as tin-pot tyranny.Downing Street must never be allowed to dictate what you read, hear and see, it says, or democracy is undermined."[/size]

Ha ha, your anti-government posts are becoming more desperate by the day.

And by the way, will you please learn to cut and paste.

84Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:26

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@okocha wrote:Woah!! This is a serious and sinister move, threatening democracy and reminiscent of similar moves by countries which are grotesquely state-controlled:

 "Today's "i" newspaper leads on the banning yesterday of its political editor and journalists from a number of other news organisations  from a Downing Street briefing.
[size=13]The paper says shutting out certain publications damages the bedrock of a free media, which exists to help hold the government to account.
The Mirror  - another excluded newspaper - describes the move as tin-pot tyranny.Downing Street must never be allowed to dictate what you read, hear and see, it says, or democracy is undermined."[/size]

Ha ha, your anti-government posts are becoming more desperate by the day.

And by the way, will you please learn to cut copy and paste.

85Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:29

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The mirror would definitely have given a fair and balanced view. 

Shocking and straight out of the grubby trump playbook.

Bleep bleep boop boop

86Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:38

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@okocha wrote:Woah!! This is a serious and sinister move, threatening democracy and reminiscent of similar moves by countries which are grotesquely state-controlled:

 "Today's "i" newspaper leads on the banning yesterday of its political editor and journalists from a number of other news organisations  from a Downing Street briefing.
[size=13]The paper says shutting out certain publications damages the bedrock of a free media, which exists to help hold the government to account.
The Mirror  - another excluded newspaper - describes the move as tin-pot tyranny.Downing Street must never be allowed to dictate what you read, hear and see, it says, or democracy is undermined."[/size]

Ha ha, your anti-government posts are becoming more desperate by the day.

And by the way, will you please learn to cut and paste.
I wouldn't be anti-government if they would act in ways which are beneficial to our country and to you yourself, Nat, but to ban the i and the Independent, for example, is seriously worrying.
 I presume that your unpleasant rants suggest you believe in freedom of speech? 

What I wrote is cut and pasted exactly as it is written in the BBC online summary of today's news headlines, but I'll learn to adapt the way it translates onto the Nuts pages if you will learn to be a bit more discerning and sensiblly grown-up about threats to our way of life, rather than play to the crowd so inanely.

87Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 11:42

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:The mirror would definitely have given a fair and balanced view. 

Shocking and straight out of the grubby trump playbook.

Bleep bleep boop boop
The Mirror was another of the papers that was thrown out of the press briefing by the Tories

88Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 15:47

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Not trying to annoy you further, Nat, but:-

Quiz:.......

 You are Boris Johnson facing tricky questions. Do you:
a. refuse to do the interview
b. ban the journalists
c. shut down parliament
d. jet off on holiday
e. hide in a fridge
f. all of the above

89Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 16:43

Guest


Guest
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:The mirror would definitely have given a fair and balanced view. 

Shocking and straight out of the grubby trump playbook.

Bleep bleep boop boop

Are the mirror any more biased than the Mail are the other way?

The issue is the government choosing which bias they want to give access to, not the fact that bias exists.

The only way to address that is non selective briefings, but you know that. What would it take for you to disagree with the governments actions?

90Brexit Watch - Page 3 Empty Re: Brexit Watch on Tue Feb 04 2020, 16:47

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:
 You are Boris Johnson facing tricky questions. Do you:
a. refuse to do the interview
b. ban the journalists
c. shut down parliament
d. jet off on holiday
e. hide in a fridge
f. all of the above

A & B.

Do I win a prize?

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