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61Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Wed Feb 26 2020, 23:13

Sluffy

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Yes I agree, he just argues for the sake of it.

We all know that by now.

62Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Wed Feb 26 2020, 23:23

boltonbonce

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Well, I'll have to go. The cops are kicking the door in again.

63Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Wed Feb 26 2020, 23:45

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T.R.O.Y wrote:What do you mean why mention it? How else do you explain to readers why the players stopped getting paid?

Are you for real - that is the whole point that is being made!

The CLUB pays the wages NOT Anderson.

Iles states ANDERSON WITHDREW HIS funding for the players wages.

Anderson was never responsible for the wages - the CLUB was!

The players stopped getting paid because the CLUB ran out of money and NOT because Anderson withdrew HIS FUNDING of them.

The clear implication being that the players (and club employees) weren't being paid because Anderson had decided not to pay them anymore even though he had personal wealth to do so.

I'm afraid I despair of it all, Sluffy. These people are not interested in the truth or the facts but only interested in suppressing it and making any feeble excuse they can think of for their conduct.

I hope it will change but I doubt it will. Its gone too far, way too far and there seems to be a collective mendacity every bit as contagious as corona virus.

Times have change Bob.

Wumming (as TROY is doing once again to me right now) and an acceptance from the younger generations to swallow anything on social media without question, together with abusive behaviour towards anyone who disagrees with them is now the norm.

People seem to let others do their thinking for them.

I found this very interesting and revealing of why that seems to be the case and well worth a read if you haven't seen it before -

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It is now us that are the odd bods, the ones who are out of step with the rest.

It's no longer our time.

If people want to live in ignorance and believe fake news, then it's up to them.

I'm happy enough to just say my peace and if people don't want to listen to it, then I won't lose any sleep over it.

I do this for my own amusement and distraction from real life, it seems to me though that real life to many these days is living their lives via their smart phones, tablets and social media - and thus leaving themselves wide-open to being manipulated and led.

The die has been cast and there is no going back.

Maybe Eric Blair had it right after all!

64Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 07:57

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
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Thanks Sluffy. It means a lot to encounter at least one person on social media who is willing to think for themselves. I don't expect we are alone in trying to figure things out but I do suspect that there are lots who gave up the fight long ago.

Yes, Eric Blair was right about a lot of things and I'm pretty sure I'd got that message by the time I was sixteen.

But briefly back to the saviour of the planet. I don't know why I would think that he might have narcissistic tendencies but he does seem to like having his photo taken more often than the Kardashians. Don't you think it interesting, though, that he has avoided putting his personal seal of approval on the Annual Reports and Audited Accounts (AR) of the Ecotricity Group since 2013? It is his company.

Might it have something to do with deflecting attention from himself if it all goes pear-shaped?

''It wasn't me, Gov, I didn't sign any of that stuff off. I relied on others to do that. It was their job"

The short straw went to Asif Rehmanwala this year. He's the COO and the longest serving director after Mr & Mrs Vince but he hasn't signed the AR previously. I can't help wonder if the departed Mr Crowfoot declined. There weren't too many options if the planet saviour didn't fancy it

In 2017 it was Karyn Coombes. She'd been a director for less than three months when she was asked to sign the AR and she'd gone within the year.

Similar thing in 2018. Eric Staples had been with the company for just a year but six months after he'd signed the AR he'd gone.

If interested, take a look at the notes at the bottom of page 35 and top of page 36 then go figure  what the balance sheet would like without the 2013 revaluation. Haven't we learned from Bolton Wanderers that assets that don't yield a profit might not be worth what the books say they are worth?

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Its a shame that Boncey doesn't concentrate enough because if he's interested in Watergate there's a lot more of interest closer to home.

I had a quick look at what a former FD of Ecotricity and FGR was doing now and found him on Linkedin. There's some interesting stuff in what he says he dealt with at Ecotricity e.g.

Spent 6 years working to bring issues with HMRC relating to earlier years to a satisfactory conclusion.

Structured/implemented purchase of company shares from shareholder to clear Director Loan a/c.


The £250K paid to Dean Holdsworth and £150K paid to Quantuma (Sports Shield's liquidator) would have been a directors loan issue with HMRC if Ken Anderson hadn't cleared them only to be damned for doing so. But the directors loan figures in Ecotricity were and are a lot bigger than £400K.

65Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 10:03

boltonbonce

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Er, I don't think I've ever mentioned Watergate on here, but never mind. I'm sorry if my levels of concentration aren't up to scratch, but I have a lot to deal with. Hiding my google search history is almost a full time job.
We're not deliberately pushing all your buttons Bob, we're simply looking for the mute button.

66Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 10:46

Norpig

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Reign in the patronising attitude Ten bob before you upset anyone else on here. And again no one cares about your obsession with Dale Vince.

67Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 10:48

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Er, I don't think I've ever mentioned Watergate on here, but never mind. I'm sorry if my levels of concentration aren't up to scratch, but I have a lot to deal with. Hiding my google search history is almost a full time job.
We're not deliberately pushing all your buttons Bob, we're simply looking for the mute button.
Sorry, Boncey, but I'm not having it that somebody who mentions Woodward and Bernstein has never had any interest in Watergate. My apologies if it wasn't you.

I'm sure we've all been schmucks over something in our lives but this affair has been poisonous schmuckery on a grand scale and I think you can do better than join in with any of the childish bleatings and evasions of those who want to pretend it never happened or should be forgotten.

68Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 11:18

boltonbonce

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I have an interest in politics in general Bob, but watergate hasn't really been mentioned a lot on here. 
As for Ken Anderson, nothing tells me he broke the law. Until anyone proves otherwise I'll go with that.
He was however disqualified from being a company director for 8 years.
Could you enlighten me as to why?

69Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 11:23

Norpig

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Jesus Boncey stop encouraging him!  Very Happy

70Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 11:31

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Jesus Boncey stop encouraging him!  Very Happy
Everyone needs a hobby. Very Happy

71Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 11:55

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I have an interest in politics in general Bob, but watergate hasn't really been mentioned a lot on here. 
As for Ken Anderson, nothing tells me he broke the law. Until anyone proves otherwise I'll go with that.
He was however disqualified from being a company director for 8 years.
Could you enlighten me as to why?
All I know about the case is hearsay but I suspect he got caught bending the rules in his favour and, because he was a professionally qualified individual and wouldn't co-operate with the Official Receiver, they took him to the cleaners.

Lots of folk bend the rules and get away with it but there are now a lot of disqualified directors. 11 pages of them with surnames beginning with A alone.

I expect he was a lot more careful when taking over at BWFC. If I'd seen evidence that he'd been up to no good you can guarantee that I wouldn't have been turning a blind eye.

He was at personal risk in relation to the money he borrowed from ED to keep the club going and took steps to protect his family from those risks in February last year. He's now reversed those steps which tends to indicate to me he's in the clear on all fronts.

The accounts of Boulestin are due out this month. I'll be taking a look when they are published but I'm expecting to see borrowings and little, if any, profit.

72Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 12:47

boltonbonce

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He was found guilty of diverting funds
receivable by a company into personal accounts, VAT discrepancies, and failure
to cooperate with Receivers.

73Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 13:56

karlypants

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:He was found guilty of diverting funds
receivable by a company into personal accounts, VAT discrepancies, and failure
to cooperate with Receivers.
Do you have proof of this Bonce? Very Happy

74Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 14:18

boltonbonce

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:He was found guilty of diverting funds
receivable by a company into personal accounts, VAT discrepancies, and failure
to cooperate with Receivers.
Do you have proof of this Bonce? Very Happy
It's in the records of the Insolvency Service. The reasons for his ban are well known.
He bent the rules, as many do. No sign that he was guilty of this at Bolton so far as I know.

75Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 14:38

boltonbonce

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I should add, when he came to the Wanderers he'd served his ban, and I had no problem with letting him take the helm. 
I'm just glad he's gone, and I wish we could stop talking about him. I certainly won't be mentioning him again.

76Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 14:55

Cajunboy

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Who?

77Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 15:08

boltonbonce

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Who?
Thingy. Wink

78Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 15:10

karlypants

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Very Happy

79Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 15:52

Ten Bobsworth


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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I should add, when he came to the Wanderers he'd served his ban, and I had no problem with letting him take the helm. 
I'm just glad he's gone, and I wish we could stop talking about him. I certainly won't be mentioning him again.
I'd no problem with him appointing Phil Parkinson and challenging some of the inherited contracts that were not in the best interests of the club.

I'd no problem with him negotiating with the EFL to alleviate some of the restrictions that might have prevented the club securing promotion to the Championship or maintaining its position for another year.

I'd no problem with him saving a million quid in Blumarble's interest charges or persuading Cardiff City to part with £6m for Gary Madine.

And I'd no problem with him treating Marc Iles and the ST with the contempt they deserved or telling Dale Vince were to get off when he threatened to liquidate a founder member of the Football League.

Sorry, who were we talking about?



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80Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 16:25

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@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:What do you mean why mention it? How else do you explain to readers why the players stopped getting paid?

Are you for real - that is the whole point that is being made!

The CLUB pays the wages NOT Anderson.

Iles states ANDERSON WITHDREW HIS funding for the players wages.

Anderson was never responsible for the wages - the CLUB was!

The players stopped getting paid because the CLUB ran out of money and NOT because Anderson withdrew HIS FUNDING of them.

The clear implication being that the players (and club employees) weren't being paid because Anderson had decided not to pay them anymore even though he had personal wealth to do so.

I'm afraid I despair of it all, Sluffy. These people are not interested in the truth or the facts but only interested in suppressing it and making any feeble excuse they can think of for their conduct.

I hope it will change but I doubt it will. Its gone too far, way too far and there seems to be a collective mendacity every bit as contagious as corona virus.

Specifically, which part of this statement isn’t true:

Iles states a fact, while Anderson plugged the gap there was enough money in the pot to pay the wages. When he stopped doing that, there wasn’t. 

81Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 16:49

Sluffy

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I'd no problem with him appointing Phil Parkinson and challenging some of the inherited contracts that were not in the best interests of the club.

Someone was telling us, for a long while that Heathcote the caterers had stitched the club up big time with the contract but surprise, surprise, all the 'haters' didn't believe him.

Guess what the first thing the Administrators did once they got their feet under the table?

Answer - they immediately terminated it!

Partner, Andrew Hosking, said: “The priority of the administrators is to ensure the best outcome for stakeholders.

“We will be working with the management team to assist the hotel to return to short term profitability.

“To assist with this exercise the administrators have scrutinised the existing financial commitments of the hotel. It has become apparent that the existing contract for the provision of catering is not aligned to the objectives of the administrators and as such, the decision has been made to bring the provision of high-quality catering in house in the interest of the hotel and the creditors.”

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(Funny that BIG Paul Heathcote buddy, Marc Iles didn't write this article.  

Come to think of it though he's never written anything bad about his other buddies Dean Holdsworth and the ST!)

82Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 17:20

Sluffy

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T.R.O.Y wrote:What do you mean why mention it? How else do you explain to readers why the players stopped getting paid?

Are you for real - that is the whole point that is being made!

The CLUB pays the wages NOT Anderson.

Iles states ANDERSON WITHDREW HIS funding for the players wages.

Anderson was never responsible for the wages - the CLUB was!

The players stopped getting paid because the CLUB ran out of money and NOT because Anderson withdrew HIS FUNDING of them.

The clear implication being that the players (and club employees) weren't being paid because Anderson had decided not to pay them anymore even though he had personal wealth to do so.

I'm afraid I despair of it all, Sluffy. These people are not interested in the truth or the facts but only interested in suppressing it and making any feeble excuse they can think of for their conduct.

I hope it will change but I doubt it will. Its gone too far, way too far and there seems to be a collective mendacity every bit as contagious as corona virus.

Specifically, which part of this statement isn’t true:

Iles states a fact, while Anderson plugged the gap there was enough money in the pot to pay the wages. When he stopped doing that, there wasn’t. 

This bit.

I'll try once again just for you.

If Anderson put anything into the club he did so as a creditor - BWFC are liable for the wages - and more to the point the tax also on them.  It would be a criminal offence if Anderson paid the wages directly (and thus avoid tax) as the players aren't contracted to him.

When the Administrators looked at the books the only thing Anderson was claiming as a creditor was £7.5m made up of two payments of £2.5 initially then £5m given to him by Davies, the £5m specifically to settle Holdsworth BM loan.

The Administrator ruled out £6m of this claim and in the end he settled for £237k.

Anderson therefore never risked any of his money to fund the club - the Administrator clearly believed he wasn't a creditor to BWFC for this money and neither was Davies and thus struck it out - in which case how could, as Iles states, Anderson stop funding the club to pay the wages???

Have you got it yet?

83Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 17:25

karlypants

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I don’t know why we are putting up with this obtuse arrogant little shithouse in all honesty.

84Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 17:33

boltonbonce

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I don’t know why we are putting up with this obtuse arrogant little shithouse in all honesty.
Bob's not bad.

85Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 17:35

Sluffy

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I'm not as bad as all that Karly!

Joking aside he just gets his jollies from arguing until the other person gets sick of replying.

I don't know if he feels like he needs to be proven right all the time but more than likely it is all about him getting his gratification in trying to wind people up.

Don't let him get to you mate!

86Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 17:40

BoltonTillIDie

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He just has an opinion like everyone else.

87Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 18:40

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@Sluffy wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:What do you mean why mention it? How else do you explain to readers why the players stopped getting paid?

Are you for real - that is the whole point that is being made!

The CLUB pays the wages NOT Anderson.

Iles states ANDERSON WITHDREW HIS funding for the players wages.

Anderson was never responsible for the wages - the CLUB was!

The players stopped getting paid because the CLUB ran out of money and NOT because Anderson withdrew HIS FUNDING of them.

The clear implication being that the players (and club employees) weren't being paid because Anderson had decided not to pay them anymore even though he had personal wealth to do so.

I'm afraid I despair of it all, Sluffy. These people are not interested in the truth or the facts but only interested in suppressing it and making any feeble excuse they can think of for their conduct.

I hope it will change but I doubt it will. Its gone too far, way too far and there seems to be a collective mendacity every bit as contagious as corona virus.

Specifically, which part of this statement isn’t true:

Iles states a fact, while Anderson plugged the gap there was enough money in the pot to pay the wages. When he stopped doing that, there wasn’t. 

This bit.

I'll try once again just for you.

If Anderson put anything into the club he did so as a creditor - BWFC are liable for the wages - and more to the point the tax also on them.  It would be a criminal offence if Anderson paid the wages directly (and thus avoid tax) as the players aren't contracted to him.

When the Administrators looked at the books the only thing Anderson was claiming as a creditor was £7.5m made up of two payments of £2.5 initially then £5m given to him by Davies, the £5m specifically to settle Holdsworth BM loan.

The Administrator ruled out £6m of this claim and in the end he settled for £237k.

Anderson therefore never risked any of his money to fund the club - the Administrator clearly believed he wasn't a creditor to BWFC for this money and neither was Davies and thus struck it out - in which case how could, as Iles states, Anderson stop funding the club to pay the wages???

Have you got it yet?

You miss the point. It’s not about where the money came from, who decided to divert the money away from the salaries and elsewhere? You want to twist Iles statement into something it isn’t. 

Time to move on with all this shit Sluffy, I thought you’d have held your hands up and moved on months ago.

88Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 18:49

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And by the way - don’t blame Anderson for the club running out of money. It’s a business decision.

89Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 22:39

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I don’t know why we are putting up with this obtuse arrogant little shithouse in all honesty.
Bob's not bad.
Kind of you to say so, Bonsey. Much appreciated.
Can I ask you a question?
Did you pay income tax when you were  working? If so, how would you feel about somebody drawing a million quid a year and not paying income tax on it?

90Beware the Ides of March - Page 3 Empty Re: Beware the Ides of March on Thu Feb 27 2020, 22:53

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Are you talking about someone who's 'bending the rules'?

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