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31When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:03

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It would. Mentioned him on here before. Likeable chap, but ruthless.

32When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:08

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
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33When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:13

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:It would. Mentioned him on here before. Likeable chap, but ruthless.
Ruthless? That was Sam Allardyce's mean description of Eddie Davies who was paying him £1.5m to manage BWFC before he walked out, to take a break from football, only to turn up at Newcastle in next to no time on £3m p.a.

Albert Gubay's house in the Isle of Man wasn't very far from Eddie's.

34When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:20

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
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This from IOM Today in 2018. Pretty much how he worked.

The second anniversary of the death of business tycoon and philanthropist Albert Gubay passed on Friday.
But his legacy remains marred by controversy surrounding the Mount Murray development - over which new evidence has only recently come to light.
In October 1991, the editorial department of the Manx Independent received an anonymous letter which contained some startling claims.
The letter, a copy of one sent to Barry Vannan, the then deputy head of the planning office, stated: ’Albert Gubay is making a fool out of your department and the Manx government over Mount Murray.
’The so-called developer is an employee of Albert Gubay in a subsidiary company.
’All letters to do with yourselves are typed in Anglo Int. House, Gubay’s offices, and sent for signature and then posted to yourselves.
’Gubay does not intend to actually develop the site as a leisure village; after initially erecting some of the holiday houses, the scheme will run into "difficulties" and by one means or another it will be turned into a straight-forward housing development.
’The whole thing is being set up so that the gun can be put to your department’s head eventually!
’Act now before it is too late.’

35When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:20

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
If I ever wrote a book about BWFC finances, the Mount Murray Hotel would get a mention. But I won't be writing the book.
Btw I'm aware of no connection between Eddie and Albert Gubay other than the fact that Santon isn't very far away from Balasalla.

36When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:26

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
These financial rabbit holes do my head in. Is it any wonder that my heart soars when the latest Damart slipper catalogue pops through the letter box.
You know where you are with slippers. Or moccasin's at a pinch.

37When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:35

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:These financial rabbit holes do my head in. Is it any wonder that my heart soars when the latest Damart slipper catalogue pops through the letter box.
You know where you are with slippers. Or moccasin's at a pinch.
You learn something every day.

I didn't know Damart was still going. I thought its attempts to save the planet through thermal underwear had fizzled out leaving the road clear for Mr Vince's windmills.



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38When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 09:42

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:These financial rabbit holes do my head in. Is it any wonder that my heart soars when the latest Damart slipper catalogue pops through the letter box.
You know where you are with slippers. Or moccasin's at a pinch.
You learn something every day.

I didn't know Damart was still going. I thought its attempts to save the planet through thermal underwear had fizzled out leaving the road clear for Cousin Vinny's windmills.
Still going strong. I get sacks of ads from them every month. Better than the TV ads aimed at me though.

Get a mobility scooter.
Get a stairlift.
Get a walk in bath.
Make a will.
Plan your funeral. (They need to up the free pen deal. Doesn't work for me).

OK, I'm getting on a bit. No need to rub it in.

39When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 10:12

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Back to Gary Winston Lineker, it was another Winston (surname Churchill) that asserted the right of a man 'so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes enforced by the Crown so far as he can legitimately do so within the law'.

So you could say that that was all that the overpaid 'stars' of the BBC and footie were doing except, when it got before the Court, the Court said that the Ingenious schemes might have been ingenious but weren't 'within the law'.

40When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 10:26

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Back to Gary Winston Lineker, it was another Winston (surname Churchill) that asserted the right of a man 'so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes enforced by the Crown so far as he can legitimately do so within the law'.

So you could say that that was all that the overpaid 'stars' of the BBC and footie were doing except, when it got before the Court, the Court said that the Ingenious schemes might have been ingenious but weren't 'within the law'.
They need to employ accountants who know their job, and don't break the law.

If there are any.

41When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Thu Mar 05 2020, 10:50

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Back to Gary Winston Lineker, it was another Winston (surname Churchill) that asserted the right of a man 'so to arrange his affairs as not to attract taxes enforced by the Crown so far as he can legitimately do so within the law'.

So you could say that that was all that the overpaid 'stars' of the BBC and footie were doing except, when it got before the Court, the Court said that the Ingenious schemes might have been ingenious but weren't 'within the law'.
They need to employ accountants who know their job, and don't break the law.

If there are any.
There are loads of accountants, Boncey, who would have and did advise their clients to steer well clear of these schemes. Sometimes the law isn't absolutely certain but there's usually a risk in stretching it like bubblegum.

42When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Fri Mar 06 2020, 10:44

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:By the way Bob, here's a quote from my penny pinching late boss.

Stupid people do make me lose my temper and most people are stupid, fortunately for me. It's made it easier for me to make a living.


Shocked
Made it easier for Mr Vince to spend £13.5m on FGR from tax-subsidised wind farms
and draw another £9M to pay for his pleasures in life..



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43When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 10:52

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Anyone remember the Dave Clark Five?

Dave was in Bits and Pieces at having to pay 83% income tax on his back catalogue so spent a year in the USA to try to avoid it. I don't blame him but it puts it into perspective when multi-millionaire football players and BBC employees try to get away with paying little more than half of that and some cases a quarter.

Dave btw won his case when the Inland Revenue  pursued him through the courts.

44When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 10:54

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Anyone remember the Dave Clark Five?

Dave was in Bits and Pieces at having to pay 83% income tax on his back catalogue so spent a year in the USA to try to avoid it. I don't blame him but it puts it into perspective when multi-millionaire football players and BBC employees try to get away with paying little more than half of that and some cases a quarter.

Dave btw won his case when the Inland Revenue  pursued him through the courts.

I expect he was Glad All Over.

45When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 11:40

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Hqdefault

46When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 12:19

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@xmiles wrote:
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Anyone remember the Dave Clark Five?

Dave was in Bits and Pieces at having to pay 83% income tax on his back catalogue so spent a year in the USA to try to avoid it. I don't blame him but it puts it into perspective when multi-millionaire football players and BBC employees try to get away with paying little more than half of that and some cases a quarter.

Dave btw won his case when the Inland Revenue  pursued him through the courts.

I expect he was Glad All Over.
I expect he was.



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47When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 12:29

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Anyone remember the Dave Clark Five?

Dave was in Bits and Pieces at having to pay 83% income tax on his back catalogue so spent a year in the USA to try to avoid it. I don't blame him but it puts it into perspective when multi-millionaire football players and BBC employees try to get away with paying little more than half of that and some cases a quarter.

Dave btw won his case when the Inland Revenue  pursued him through the courts.

I expect he was Glad All Over.
I expect he was. I'll be Glad All Over when Dale Tuppence gets his comeuppance.
OK Bob, the fightback starts here. May your God go with you.

48When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 13:17

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Oh God no, Brucey's back. I hope you are happy Ten Bob  Shocked

49When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 13:20

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Oh God no, Brucey's back. I hope you are happy Ten Bob  Shocked

When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Bruce_11

50When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 14:21

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Norpig wrote:Oh God no, Brucey's back. I hope you are happy Ten Bob  Shocked
Don't blame me, I never mentioned Brucey.

But since Boncey brought him up I thought I'd check to see if he was one of the 'Ingenious' film lovers caught out by HMRC. Couldn't find him in the Fs but couldn't help spotting Douglas Alan Freedman, formerly of this parish, and Sir Alexander Chapman Ferguson.

Have to take my small consolations where I can

51When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 14:26

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
..dunno..

52When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 15:41

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Norpig wrote:When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Hqdefault
Laughing

53When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 15:55

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Here's an interview with Dave Clark in 2017. Not a grey hair in sight?

54When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 16:35

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Fuck off with your non BWFC football shit 10 bob, custard or any other names you go by. there's other places to post your absolute shite.



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55When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 17:29

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@MartinBWFC wrote:Fuck off with your non BWFC football shit 10 bob, there's other places to post your absolute shite.
Here for instance.

http://forum.fgrfc.net/

56When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 17:35

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Very Happy

57When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 21:38

Sluffy

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@MartinBWFC wrote:Fuck off with your non BWFC football shit 10 bob, custard or any other names you go by. there's other places to post your absolute shite.

No need for the abuse Martin.

Just for you I've moved the thread to where Bob (and anyone else) are allowed to post about whatever he/they want.

If you don't like Bob or what he posts then don't read it.

Simple as that really.

58When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Mon Mar 09 2020, 23:56

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:
@MartinBWFC wrote:Fuck off with your non BWFC football shit 10 bob, custard or any other names you go by. there's other places to post your absolute shite.

No need for the abuse Martin.

Just for you I've moved the thread to where Bob (and anyone else) are allowed to post about whatever he/they want.

If you don't like Bob or what he posts then don't read it.

Simple as that really.
Good advice, if somewhat ironic.

59When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Tue Mar 10 2020, 00:24

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Very Happy

60When tax is too taxing. - Page 2 Empty Re: When tax is too taxing. on Tue Mar 10 2020, 01:02

Sluffy

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@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@MartinBWFC wrote:Fuck off with your non BWFC football shit 10 bob, custard or any other names you go by. there's other places to post your absolute shite.

No need for the abuse Martin.

Just for you I've moved the thread to where Bob (and anyone else) are allowed to post about whatever he/they want.

If you don't like Bob or what he posts then don't read it.

Simple as that really.
Good advice, if somewhat ironic.

Obviously that remark is aimed at me, so I'll reply.

First, you're the one who is the one who is constantly and personally abusive, not me - the worst I've ever called you is a nutjob - which considering you telling us how at football you run rings about blokes fifty years younger than you and that you voted for Brexit then spent the next three years continually moaning about how shit it will be that we are leaving the EU - seems fair, reasonable and above all rational comment to me!

Second, I've never had any problem with you posting however I have had with your abuse and also when I KNOW you are wrong, I've got every right to say so (as TROY keeps telling us) - no matter how much you don't like to hear it (as you clearly can't ever admit to being wrong - even on the internet!).

Have a nice day.

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