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841Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Apr 06 2020, 22:34

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:This thing moves with frightening speed KP.

I read somewhere that this virus can be deceiving where you feel better just before it goes incredibly worse.

It may lift the nation's morale a touch if Boris pulls through.

Hope your mum is keeping her spirits up with all this Boncey. Smile

842Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Apr 06 2020, 22:57

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:This thing moves with frightening speed KP.

I read somewhere that this virus can be deceiving where you feel better just before it goes incredibly worse.

It may lift the nation's morale a touch if Boris pulls through.

Hope your mum is keeping her spirits up with all this Boncey. Smile
Thanks for asking KP. She likes watching Bullseye on youtube, so she's happy enough. She must have watched each episode ten times over.

843Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 09:46

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:
@karlypants wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:This thing moves with frightening speed KP.

I read somewhere that this virus can be deceiving where you feel better just before it goes incredibly worse.

It may lift the nation's morale a touch if Boris pulls through.

Hope your mum is keeping her spirits up with all this Boncey. Smile
Thanks for asking KP. She likes watching Bullseye on youtube, so she's happy enough. She must have watched each episode ten times over.
She’s probably got her eye on that speedboat. Very Happy

844Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 10:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:
@karlypants wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:This thing moves with frightening speed KP.

I read somewhere that this virus can be deceiving where you feel better just before it goes incredibly worse.

It may lift the nation's morale a touch if Boris pulls through.

Hope your mum is keeping her spirits up with all this Boncey. Smile
Thanks for asking KP. She likes watching Bullseye on youtube, so she's happy enough. She must have watched each episode ten times over.
She’s probably got her eye on that speedboat. Very Happy
I think she's getting ideas.

845Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 15:31

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Some good news for a change -

14:31
Formula 1 team begins producing breathing aid

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Mercedes-AMG HPP has begun production of the breathing aid its F1 team developed with engineers at University College London and clinicians at UCLH.

The Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP) device is used to deliver oxygen to a patient's lungs without using a ventilator.

They are already used in UK hospitals but are in short supply.

The company produced nearly 600 CPAP devices on Monday and is hoping to increase that to 1,000 a day.

The government has ordered 10,000 of the breathing aids, which are being made on machines that would normally produce Formula 1 pistons and turbochargers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52193858

846Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 16:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

847Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 16:51

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Here's another Pandumbic hero!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

Right at the bottom of the article it even says this!!!

"There's another major flaw with both these theories. Coronavirus is spreading in UK cities where 5G has yet to be deployed, and in countries like Japan and Iran that have yet to adopt the technology".

Very Happy

848Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Apr 07 2020, 17:00

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:Here's another Pandumbic hero!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

Right at the bottom of the article it even says this!!!

"There's another major flaw with both these theories. Coronavirus is spreading in UK cities where 5G has yet to be deployed, and in countries like Japan and Iran that have yet to adopt the technology".

Very Happy
In 2020 we still have people believing this rubbish. Even the flat earthers are growing in number.

849Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 08:14

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I know people on facebook who follow the likes of Icke and they are constantly reposting this kind of dangerous shit  Shocked

850Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 08:19

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Norpig wrote:I know people on facebook who follow the likes of Icke and they are constantly reposting this kind of dangerous shit  Shocked

Maybe they aren't the kind of people you want to know.

851Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 08:27

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
i do wonder that myself sometimes  Very Happy

I know one fella in particular who is obsessed with American politics and posts stuff from Alex Jones (look him up and no i don't mean the lovely lady from the One Show) who is a crackpot.

He's an anti-vaxxer as well but i did pull him on that one as i work at RMCH and have had to deal with things like measles outbreaks because people don't vaccinate their kids.

852Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:20

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:Here's another Pandumbic hero!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

Right at the bottom of the article it even says this!!!

"There's another major flaw with both these theories. Coronavirus is spreading in UK cities where 5G has yet to be deployed, and in countries like Japan and Iran that have yet to adopt the technology".

Very Happy
In 2020 we still have people believing this rubbish. Even the flat earthers are growing in number.
In 2020 we still have a majority of people who believe Marc Iles did a brilliant job in reporting on BWFC's financial difficulties. Folk believe what they want to believe irrespective of the facts and there's nothing they hate quite so much as folk who understand or try to explain facts that conflict with their beliefs.

As Orwell put it ''Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

And

''Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”

853Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:49

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Oh God. :facepalm:

854Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 09:59

T.R.O.Y.


David Lee
David Lee
Laughing unbelievable.

855Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:11

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:Oh God. :facepalm:
Just in case you had got the wrong idea, Boncey, which I suspect you had, I was commenting on people who swallow tripe who can never accept or admit that they have been swallowing tripe.

Of course,you wouldn't be one of them. Heaven forbid!

856Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 10:50

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Oh God. :facepalm:
Just in case you had got the wrong idea, Boncey, which I suspect you had, I was commenting on people who swallow tripe who can never accept or admit that they have been swallowing tripe.

Of course,you wouldn't be one of them. Heaven forbid!
I'm always on my guard. Our window cleaner is Elvis Presley, and I was talking to him last month about the various outlandish theories concerning his supposed death that seem to pop up everywhere.
He faked his own death in order to move to morecambe, where he had a caravan, but moved to Warrington when it was destroyed after his chip pan caught fire and razed it to the ground.
He's lived quietly, earning money collecting for the St. Rocco's Hospice Lottery, and making a great success of his window cleaning round.
He looks very different now, being bald and six inches shorter, and his voice has all but gone, but now and again he'll break into 'Blue Suede Shoes' and give his customers a treat.
A nice bloke, but he's never been the same since Marc Iles ran off with his wife.

857Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:30

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
What happened to his job down the chip shop ?  Very Happy

858Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 11:49

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:What happened to his job down the chip shop ?  Very Happy
His chip pan problem is a moveable feast. Very Happy

859Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 12:49

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Oh God. :facepalm:
Just in case you had got the wrong idea, Boncey, which I suspect you had, I was commenting on people who swallow tripe who can never accept or admit that they have been swallowing tripe.

Of course,you wouldn't be one of them. Heaven forbid!
I'm always on my guard. Our window cleaner is Elvis Presley, and I was talking to him last month about the various outlandish theories concerning his supposed death that seem to pop up everywhere.
He faked his own death in order to move to morecambe, where he had a caravan, but moved to Warrington when it was destroyed after his chip pan caught fire and razed it to the ground.
He's lived quietly, earning money collecting for the St. Rocco's Hospice Lottery, and making a great success of his window cleaning round.
He looks very different now, being bald and six inches shorter, and his voice has all but gone, but now and again he'll break into 'Blue Suede Shoes' and give his customers a treat.
A nice bloke, but he's never been the same since Marc Iles ran off with his wife.
I don't know why you didn't volunteer for the Board of the ST, Boncey, but I hope you've got some evidence to support your claim that Elvis's wife was nothing but a no good golddigger who ran off with a tripe tycoon.

Btw wasn't Elvis the Carl Perkins impersonator that nicked Carl's Blue Suede Shoes?

860Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 13:04

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Fin lives in New York so hope you are keeping well over there mate!

861Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 13:16

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Fin lives in New York so hope you are keeping well over there mate!

I thought he moved back to London a good while back?

862Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 13:17

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
He did but went back a few months ago to work with the XFL American football company.

863Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 14:49

Sluffy

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The truth about coronavirus: Manchester scientist on everything we do and don't know about COVID-19

Dr Thomas House is a mathematical epidemiologist and one of the scientists advising the government during the current coronavirus crisis.
He works at the University of Manchester and is a member of a national committee which specialises in mathematical modelling.
We asked Dr House about all we know - and what we don't - about the pandemic.

What is COVID-19 and how do you see it?

It's a viral pathogen which colonises your respiratory tract and lungs. It's spread from person to person.
It's one of the big challenges that our generation of humans has got to deal with.

What do you think started the pandemic?

We don't know. We have to wait for the genetics and science to come in.
The theory about it starting in a lab doesn't seem terribly likely.
But the idea it emerged somewhere other than Wuhan and that's just where it got going in the human population is plausible. We just don't know where.
You can do calculations with genetics and try and work it out. The fact we first saw a case in Wuhan doesn't mean that's the starting point.

Why do we need to social distance?

Because we know it's spread directly from person to person and we don't have a medical intervention. For flu we have a vaccination but we don't have anything that works for coronavirus.
Should we have started the lockdown sooner?
There was a lot of clamouring to do it really early. But there was no point because there weren't enough cases for all the trouble it would have caused.
By the time it was in lots of countries there was no chance of driving it to extinction like we did with SARS so you have to time it right so you're actually keeping people away from others who are infectious.
Maybe it should have been a little earlier or a little later - but that's the kind of thing we can look back on. The strategy of not jumping straight away is correct.
However the 'take it on the chin' idea was not right and was never what scientists were saying. Lockdown was necessary.

How long do you think this lockdown will last and is it working?

We have to look at the figures in the coming days.
We are going to have to come up with strategies for measuring the trade-off between the lockdown and the human cost and the economy. People are already finding it hard just a few weeks in.
In a week's time we will have better knowledge of how much of an effect the current lockdown has had. We'll be able to look at hospital capacity.

What about these daily infection and death toll figures?

The fact they are shooting up doesn't mean social distancing isn't working, there's just a delay.
It's the infections we are stopping now that will stop the future deaths
It should start to decrease in the next week or two.

How many people are currently infected in the UK and Greater Manchester?

That's the big unknown. What I've heard from the rest of Europe is that it's a few per cent at least. So it will have already infected a significant percentage.
We're not near herd immunity but there are many more cases than those confirmed. There could already have been hundreds of thousands of infections.

Are you surprised by how many people are affected?

No, because the numbers of deaths that came out of China were never zero and we think there have been a lot of infections so that is going to happen.

Do you expect to get coronavirus?

Yes. I had to self-isolate last week with mild symptoms but like many people I don't know if I had it or not.

Every death is a tragedy. But there is quite a lot of talk about 'excess deaths' - those which would have happened anyway. How many more deaths do you think are happening than if the pandemic didn't exist?

Every year in the UK about 600,000 people die. If we just let the epidemic sweep through we might be thinking about doubling that.
If we socially distance and ensure all the people who need treatment get treatment and don't overwhelm the NHS we can get that down.
But I think even in the best case scenario, excess deaths will still be in the high tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands this year as a result of coronavirus - and there's the general disruption it's caused to medical care.

A lot of people feel angry that Governments - including the UK Government - weren't as prepared for a pandemic as they could have been. Do you think that's justified?

The scientific community has been saying 'get ready for this' for years. It's not just our Government - I've got lots of friends around Europe saying 'why weren't we more ready?'
It think it's a problem that emergency preparedness seems like a natural thing to cut when you need to make savings.
It costs money but it's worth it.

Do you think in the future we'll be more prepared?

I hope so - lots of these things are predictable. We don't know when but we know there will be other diseases.

How worried should we be?

It's so difficult because as scientists it's our duty to tell people the inconvenient truth. This is something we are in for the long-haul.
Coronavirus will be one of the main things humans die of this year. But we live in a safe society where most people don't die in a given year.
Worry is never helpful but people should care about it enough to modify their behaviour.
Car accidents are another big cause of death in this country. When you get in a car worry isn't helpful. But you should recognise the risks and put on a seatbelt and not drive recklessly. In the same way people should obey self-distancing and be hygienic.
It's a real thing and people should modify their behaviour to address that.
But don't despair because this is something we can do something about.
It's not like this scary thing happening that we can't control. We can all pull together and get through it.
For example, a thousand scientists have volunteered to help with coronavirus research in this country.

What's the best case scenario?

A vaccine that comes very quickly.

And if not?

Second best is we manage the epidemic well, the NHS doesn't get overwhelmed, and it spreads in the way coronavirus viruses usually do.
In films the virus always evolves to be more scary, actually evolution works the other way. It tends to make them less deadly.

We've seen very young people are not in as much in danger. If there's something circulating the whole time, the immune system gets better at dealing with it.

The antibody test will give crucial information on how many people just get a mild cold.
Humans have been through big pandemics before right through history.
The worst was 1918. There were a few in the 19th century, three in the 20th century. We were lucky with SARS and Ebola and MERS that they were contained.

How long will we feel the impact of coronavirus on our lives?

If we don't get an effective vaccine there are probably going to have to be a lot of infections with this disease.
Herd immunity shouldn't have been the main strategy. But we have to manage the acquisition of that while giving as much time as possible.
Once we get the antibody tests we'll know more about how close to herd immunity we are.
I think some people may think just stay home for a few weeks and that's that - but it's longer haul than that.

How long-haul?

There will be consequences for the rest of 2020. But we'll get better at managing social distancing and work out which activities cause the least disruption for most benefit.
The sort of thing that might change is if we see evidence that it's not good at spreading outdoors then we might have a policy of people being able to go outdoors.
There might be less worry about parks, for example. Hopefully we will get better at managing activities and which ones are safe and which aren't.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/scientist-coronavirus-pandemic-lockdown-end-18059107?fbclid=IwAR0SYnUQr-nY6XRkfELuUB8zO6XsltaidzYHl_1gDVKOS-I0ccwV4EOwQmU

864Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 16:02

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Anyone seen Contagion?

865Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 20:26

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Anyone seen Contagion?

Literally just finished watching it/listening to it (whilst pinting walls) - very true to this epidemic, even bats were involved!

866Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 21:27

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The Mrs is watching this right now on Netflix funnily enough.

I would rather be doing something else though as we are living through the same fucking nightmare. Smile

867Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Apr 08 2020, 21:32

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:The Mrs is watching this right now on Netflix funnily enough.

I would rather be doing something else though as we are living through the same fucking nightmare. Smile

868Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Apr 09 2020, 04:37

finlaymcdanger

finlaymcdanger
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Alive and kicking (for now) thanks, Norpig! Still working despite our launch season being cancelled after 5 weeks which obviously wasn't ideal. Bigger things going on to worry about than work though. Just keeping my family out or harms way, educated and entertained like everyone else. We're not going anywhere near other people - too crazy in NYC at the moment - so getting groceries online is a challenge but we're making it work. Don't underestimate how precious Heintz Baked Beans are... we can't get 'em for love nor money right now.

7-8 months working for a new American football league and I'm 100% into the game. I always QUITE liked it but this time I'm totally sold on it. I guess the Bolton scenario this past few years finally allowed me a little room to entertain another sport and its happened.

Hope youNutters are all well in Bolton and wherever else you all are. Stay indoors!

COYW!

869Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Apr 09 2020, 08:54

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Dr Catherine Calderwood, recently disgraced and sacked Chief Medical Officer for Scotland  was an 'expert' member of the Kirkup Inquiry panel into mother and baby deaths at Furness General Hospital. She was later appointed as a member of NHS England's National Maternity Review Team along with Kirkup and James Titcombe, the father whose campaigning resulted in the Kirkup Inquiry.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/mat-transformation/implementing-better-births/mat-review/review-conducted/members/

The Kirkup Inquiry did what some believe it was set up to do. i.e. throw a handful of midwifes to the wolves whilst local and regional senior management, that had consistently failed to address issues and did everything possible to thwart Titcombe, escaped largely scot-free. Needless to say some of the midwifes weren't happy with Kirkup or Titcombe, who was provided with a well-paid job with the CQC and an OBE.

Furness General Hospital is part of the University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust. It was granted the coveted foundation trust status in 2010 when it had the highest hospital related mortality rates in the whole of England. Subsequently millions were spent on management consultancy and 'governance reviews' in Morecambe Bay.

Dr Peter Duffy would later make the mistake of raising his concerns and losing his career as  a consequence.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/16/nhs-trust-calls-police-probe-deaths/

870Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 29 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Apr 09 2020, 22:04

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I will ask again...Has anyone on here started to wash their groceries? The meat that comes in the plastic trays, packets of biscuits etc?

I'm curious...

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