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121Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 17:38

Sluffy

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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:There has to be a change in attitudes supported by the state, a start would be to make sure every child is given a proper history of the British Empire its impacts and damage across the world.

Posted at 17:30
Children should learn 'good and bad' from British history

Next up is a question on whether children should be taught more about Britain's involvement in slavery when in school, in light of the Black Lives Matters protests.

Gavin Williamson says the national curriculum covers the British Empire, and it is "vitally important that when children are learning... they learn all aspects, both the good and bad".

But he says we should be "incredibly proud" of Britain's "rich history", adding: "Time and time and time again, this country has made a difference and changed things for the better right around the world."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-53103438

122Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 17:46

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Ye just about the level of ignorance I’d expect from that prick.

123Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 17:46

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka

Cheers Bonce.

124Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 18:08

Sluffy

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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Ye just about the level of ignorance I’d expect from that prick.

Seems fair comment to me.

We are after all judging behaviour from generations ago with current day (and vastly evolved) knowledge, values and attitudes.

Human rights abuses are going on in many country's right now in this day and age, Saudi Arabia and China being just two that carry them out, maybe we should be working to sort the problems of the world has here and now and help the people who are suffering from as we speak than get too het up over something that happened over 150 years ago that can't be changed.

Seems people have their priorities in the wrong order to my way of thinking?

Just a thought.

125Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 18:13

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Ok, if it’s a fair comment - which ‘bad parts’ of UK history are currently taught as part of the curriculum Sluffy?

126Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 18:15

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Just to throw into the mix, I heard on the box the other day about the amount of slavery that has been going on for a very very long time, and that the UK was a latecomer, and a relatively small dealer (surprisingly), to the trading of people. It seems that the Middle/Far East, and particularly Africa,
As to the validity of the statement, I don't know, I was only have listening having been at it for a lot longer, and on a much bigger scale, allegedly.
As to the validity of the comment I cannot say, I was only half listening whilst doing something else.

127Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 18:16

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
It seems that the Middle/Far East, and particularly Africa, were the worst offenders.

129Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 20:09

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
So much history is hidden. For instance, I was completely ignorant of the life of Katherine Johnson, whose orbital calculations were vital to NASA's early space exploits. Totally clueless until I saw the movie, Hidden Figures. She, and her other black colleagues didn't have it easy.

130Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 21:34

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

No my sense of humour has been eroded away after years of abuse from you and one or two others.

I didn't laugh when you complimented Norpig on his avatar either.

As I've told you before I don't come on here for abuse.

You don't seem to have grasped that yet.

About time you did.

Sluffy again my Uncle Knobhead comment wan't directed at you. I said we are one happy family so nicked the Uncle Knobhead comment from Peter Kay.

I think you know from on here if i wanted to call you a name such as knobhead i would just come out and say it. We've had issues in the past but i truly don't dislike you or come on here just to wind you up.

131Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 22:15

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Ok, if it’s a fair comment - which ‘bad parts’ of UK history are currently taught as part of the curriculum Sluffy?

I've no idea about these days but I certainly learnt about the slave trade in my school years as part of the history course I did at grammar school, which was taught as 'social and economic history' rather than dates and battles. Learned about the Poor Laws, the repeal of the Corn Laws, Speenhamland, The Peterloo Massacre, Treverthick, Boulton and Watt and the beginnings of the industrial revolution, the Luddites, the Reform Acts, the effect of the American Civil war on the British cotton industry, and female emancipation and the right to vote.

No doubt I forgotten loads of other stuff too.

Most if not all of what I've posted above would not be tolerated today - people had to fight for to be fed and feed their family's back then - there was no welfare state back then, no entitlement for a living wage, no social housing, no benefit system, compulsory education acts were introduced to ensure children under the age of ten didn't have to go out to work as was the case until Victorian times.

There wasn't even a right to vote for most men until 1918.

The world we lived in was a completely different place back then and what was deemed normal and acceptable, was normal and acceptable because before then life was so much harder in an agrarian society that existed before the birth of the industrial revolution and the move to the towns and factories.

I quite enjoyed history as no doubt you can tell from my post and recollections.

I always think it is important to know and understand where you have come from and why, in order to better see and understand the way forward.

To flippantly label all our country's history as something "to make sure every child is given a proper history of the British Empire its impacts and damage across the world." shows your ignorance and vast lack of knowledge of why it evolved in the way it did.

Of course that would not be allowed to happen as it did these days but that's because we've learned from the past - we now 'better see and understand the way forward' - if I may be allowed to quote myself.

I've no problem of anyone learning about our history 'warts and all' - I did - but history is about understanding where we've come from, learning from the mistakes and building on the things we got right. It's certainly not about beating us over the head for something that happened over 150 years ago when the world was a completely different place to how it is now.

132Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 22:23

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Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
So it’s a fair comment to say the curriculum covers good and bad, but you have no idea what the curriculum covers?

133Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 22:37

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Norpig wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

No my sense of humour has been eroded away after years of abuse from you and one or two others.

I didn't laugh when you complimented Norpig on his avatar either.

As I've told you before I don't come on here for abuse.

You don't seem to have grasped that yet.

About time you did.

Sluffy again my Uncle Knobhead comment wasn't directed at you. I said we are one happy family so nicked the Uncle Knobhead comment from Peter Kay.

I think you know from on here if i wanted to call you a name such as knobhead i would just come out and say it. We've had issues in the past but i truly don't dislike you or come on here just to wind you up.

Thanks.

I was more setting a marker for how things need to go on - a new normal as they say.

There's no point someone being here if they have issues with me all the time, that includes being ridiculed.

I think the air has been cleared now and there's no reason why we can't get back to something like how we used to be before a certain few brought hatred to the forum over Brexit and Ken Anderson a few years back.

I've never had any issues with your good self fwiw and hope you continue to play a big part in getting the forum back to being fun for all as it was always intended to be.

Onwards and upwards from now on for both Nuts and BWFC, hopefully!!!

Very Happy

134Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 22:41

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:So it’s a fair comment to say the curriculum covers good and bad, but you have no idea what the curriculum covers?

Eh???

I said I don't know what the current curriculum covers but would be more than happy if it gave a true history of all events 'warts and all' for all to understand and learn from.

What part of that am I confusing you with?

135Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 23:37

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
You completely contradict yourself within two posts Sluffy. I’m just repeating that back to you, not sure what you’re struggling with there.

136Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Fri Jun 19 2020, 23:54

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Just to get back on topic for a minute, Twitter permanently banning this emetic toe rag  is a small step, but a step in the right direction. Trumpy Dumpy next?

137Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 00:22

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:You completely contradict yourself within two posts Sluffy. I’m just repeating that back to you, not sure what you’re struggling with there.

I've absolutely no idea what you are talking about - I've said exactly the same thing twice!

Question -

@T.R.O.Y. wrote:which ‘bad parts’ of UK history are currently taught as part of the curriculum Sluffy?

Post 1 -

@Sluffy wrote:
I've no idea about these days but I certainly learnt about the slave trade in my school years as part of the history course I did....

...I've no problem of anyone learning about our history 'warts and all'...

Post 2 -

@Sluffy wrote:I said I don't know what the current curriculum covers but would be more than happy if it gave a true history of all events 'warts and all' for all to understand and learn from.

I ask again, what part of that am I confusing you with?

..dunno..

138Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 00:38

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
OK, if we're going off topic, here's an amusing Kiwi T advert about kid's watching porn on t'internet.

139Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 00:46

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@wanderlust wrote:Just to get back on topic for a minute, Twitter permanently banning this emetic toe rag  is a small step, but a step in the right direction. Trumpy Dumpy next?

Why do you care, you don't even follow social media!

:bomb:


Being a little bit more seriously though, she clearly trolls deliberately to raise her profile from which she earns her living.

If people simply didn't react to her, she would have soon faded from view - the trouble is that social media allows everyone and their dog to have their say, and they do!

No doubt she'll turn up on Instagram or whatever it is people flock to these days.

140Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 00:50

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I wasn't sure whether this should go on "the government" thread but decided on this one given the ignorance of Theodora Dickinson's moronic ravings coupled with a stupendous sense of bad timing

141Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 01:01

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

142Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 08:55

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Sluffy, I asked you to justify your statement it was a fair comment, you then openly admit to not having the required experience or knowledge to make that statement. I’m not confused about anything, I’ve been perfectly clear while you reply with ‘Eh?’ And you’re usual talk around the houses when you don’t know where to go on a topic.

Last post on this this, please don’t drag this out even further.

143Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 09:08

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

144Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 12:15

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
I wonder how many people have actually thought about his comments. its very good.

145Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 12:29

T.R.O.Y.


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
Ye very good poem, gets you thinking.

146Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 13:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Why do you care, you don't even follow social media!

:bomb:


Being a little bit more seriously though, she clearly trolls deliberately to raise her profile from which she earns her living.

If people simply didn't react to her, she would have soon faded from view - the trouble is that social media allows everyone and their dog to have their say, and they do!

No doubt she'll turn up on Instagram or whatever it is people flock to these days.

I knew you'd flag that up but it was linked from a website so it's more a case of social media following me than the other way round Smile

Hopefully she'll disappear from view now.

147Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 13:22

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
I wonder how many people have actually thought about his comments. its very good.
...and a good performance too I thought. How he kept a straight face when delivering some of those lines I'll never know.

Well done CharlesTDale

148Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 13:39

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Sluffy, I asked you to justify your statement it was a fair comment, you then openly admit to not having the required experience or knowledge to make that statement. I’m not confused about anything, I’ve been perfectly clear while you reply with ‘Eh?’ And you’re usual talk around the houses when you don’t know where to go on a topic.

Last post on this this, please don’t drag this out even further.

I've been abundantly clear and consistent on what I've said.

The Secretary of State for Education stated the curriculum covers the British Empire and that children learn the good and bad of it.

I've not seen one comment from anyone in the history education profession, since his statement, disputing that.

The article Bonce linked to was an opinion from a black anti-racist activist who is a professor in sociology and has been actively campaigning on racism long before the George Floyd murder - and is taken from a national papers 'comment'/opinion section - being the very same section where you went off on one in respect of the Irish woman's 'learned' opinion about how the British government went wrong on dealing with the pandemic, when it turned out she actually knew nothing about it and was (iirc?) someone who had a history degree (or something like that) as the basis of her background knowledge - something not relevant at all!  (The Irish woman originally tweeted her comments but they were thereafter published in this papers opinion section.  I assume that you do nor have to specifically contact the paper for your opinion to be published and that they are sourced from all other media?).

Think if you like this 'opinion'/comment section being the forerunner of Twitter/Facebook, etc, where anyone with a bee in their bonnet can sound off and people taking what they say as 'fact' rather than what it is - their personal opinions and beliefs - particularly if the paper, as in the case of the Irish woman, is sourcing some of their opinions from social media in the first place!

Jason Arday - this is his previous cannon of work

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/2146695246_Jason_Arday
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/author/jason-arday

The Irish woman was proved to be incorrect in what she claimed.

So far no professional educational body has rushed to back up Mr Arday's views on the curriculum yet and contradict the Secretary of State for Education's statement.

I stand completely by what I've said, The Secretary of State for Education made  fair comment, in which he states history teaches the good and bad and that I am happy for this to continue to be the case.

How on earth could you turn that in to yet another argument?



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149Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 13:49

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Dr Arday is a racist?

150Black Lives Matter - Page 5 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter on Sat Jun 20 2020, 14:03

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@boltonbonce wrote:Dr Arday is a racist?

Thank you for pointing out my slight typo mistake.

I have now corrected it.

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