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271Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 16:35

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
It's important to keep the issue in the public consciousness, so what effective alternatives are there?

Curb social media? Then we get the freedom of speech lobby sounding off.....Newspapers need to be more responsible. Trump needs to do something to re-align his influence for more civilised non-racist purposes.

272Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 17:14

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Society can and does change, often for the better. Racism is still a problem but I don't think it is as bad as it was. OK I am a white person saying this but if you look at media coverage generally today and compare it with coverage 20 or 30 years ago I think there is a positive difference.

As a minor but still significant example of how attitudes change look at how children are disciplined. When I was at school physical punishment was considered normal and teachers hit, slapped and caned children with the apparent consent of the parents. Now that behaviour would put them in jail.

273Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 19:04

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Not a "minor" example, xm.... (it's about treatment of minors. Smile!) ...Used to be said that children should be seen and not heard, but society has completely changed  so that children rightly have a voice now. 

Slavery has been seen for what it is and eventually black/equal rights will win through. Lots of effort on TV and in the quality press is changing society before our eyes and BAME people are being promoted to positions of responsibility. Look at how the film world represents the the changes in society: make a point of seeing the Oscar-winning Green Book.

274Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri Feb 19 2021, 21:45

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@okocha wrote:Not a "minor" example, xm.... (it's about treatment of minors. Smile!) ...Used to be said that children should be seen and not heard, but society has completely changed  so that children rightly have a voice now. 

Slavery has been seen for what it is and eventually black/equal rights will win through. Lots of effort on TV and in the quality press is changing society before our eyes and BAME people are being promoted to positions of responsibility. Look at how the film world represents the the changes in society: make a point of seeing the Oscar-winning Green Book.

You are right okocha, it's not a minor change. Another example of how society (albeit not in all countries) has changed for the better is attitudes to homosexuality.

275Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 10:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Interesting programme on R4 yesterday talking about how the first theatres in London- the first public entertainment that didn’t involve topping someone- had a fascination of non-Europeans - and that Marlowe and Shakespeare cast them in roles of despots and murderers thereby laying the foundations of racism here.

276Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 12:05

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@wanderlust wrote:Interesting programme on R4 yesterday talking about how the first theatres in London- the first public entertainment that didn’t involve topping someone- had a fascination of non-Europeans - and that Marlowe and Shakespeare cast them in roles of despots and murderers thereby laying the foundations of racism here.
Not always....eg:Othello. where the white Iago is the villain and the black man, Othello, is cultured, charming and adored by a beautiful, intelligent, white Desdemona.

277Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Sat Feb 20 2021, 15:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:
Not always....eg:Othello. where the white Iago is the villain and the black man, Othello, is cultured, charming and adored by a beautiful, intelligent, white Desdemona.
Read Tamburlaine okocha?

278Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Sun Feb 21 2021, 10:43

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@wanderlust wrote:
Read Tamburlaine okocha?
We go to watch plays rather than read them, Lusty, but I do know the story of Tamburlaine.....and Marlowe can't really rival Shakespeare imo.

279Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Mon Feb 22 2021, 00:12

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:
We go to watch plays rather than read them, Lusty, but I do know the story of Tamburlaine.....and Marlowe can't really rival Shakespeare imo.
Hardly rivals. Commonly held theory that the bard honed his skills by watching Marlowe plays. Agree he was better in the long run but it is suggested there was a bit of standing on the shoulders of giants. 
Plenty of evidence that both demonised “the Turk” I.e. Muslims - othello was the exception although even he was accused of  sorcery.

280Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Tue Feb 23 2021, 09:35

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@wanderlust wrote:
Hardly rivals. Commonly held theory that the bard honed his skills by watching Marlowe plays. Agree he was better in the long run but it is suggested there was a bit of standing on the shoulders of giants. 
Plenty of evidence that both demonised “the Turk” I.e. Muslims - othello was the exception although even he was accused of  sorcery.
By absolute coincidence, I've just rewatched Oscar-winning Shakespeare in Love. It does back up what you say about the collaboration and friendship between the two playwrights.They learned from each other, it appears.

 Such a cleverly-scripted, witty film with wonderful ensemble acting, deserving all its multiple Oscar wins. Anybody who doubts the acting ability of Gwynneth Paltrow will be disabused of their doubts when they (re)watch. No deep knowledge of Shakespeare required to enjoy the greatest(?) love story ever told, from a highly original angle.

281Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Tue Feb 23 2021, 09:50

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:
By absolute coincidence, I've just rewatched Oscar-winning Shakespeare in Love. It does back up what you say about the collaboration and friendship between the two playwrights.They learned from each other, it appears.

 Such a cleverly-scripted, witty film with wonderful ensemble acting, deserving all its multiple Oscar wins. Anybody who doubts the acting ability of Gwynneth Paltrow will be disabused of their doubts when they (re)watch. No deep knowledge of Shakespeare required to enjoy the greatest(?) love story ever told, from a highly original angle.
There is a theory that they co-wrote some of the works attributed to Shakespeare but no definitive proof.

282Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri May 28 2021, 02:48

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Interesting...

Patrisse Cullors: Black Lives Matter co-founder resigns

The foundation said it ended 2020 with a balance of more than $60m, after operating expenses, grants to black-led organisations and other expenses.

Last month the New York Post reported that Ms Cullors - a self-described Marxist - had bought a $1.4m luxury home in Topanga Canyon, near Malibu, and owned three other homes, including a custom ranch in Georgia.

Facebook banned users from sharing the story, citing privacy concerns, and a black journalist said he was locked out of his Twitter account after he posted the article.

Conservative critics - but also some black activists - called for an investigation into whether Ms Cullors had used the organisation's funds to enrich herself.

The Black Lives Matter Foundation said in a statement: "As a registered 501c3 non-profit organization, [the foundation] cannot and did not commit any organizational resources toward the purchase of personal property by any employee or volunteer.

"Any insinuation or assertion to the contrary is categorically false."

Ms Cullors appeared to hold back tears as she told the Black News Channel last month that suggestions of financial impropriety against her were "categorically untrue and incredibly dangerous".

The grieving parents of Michael Brown and Breonna Taylor - two African Americans whose deaths at the hands of white police officers became rallying cries for Black Lives Matter - last month reportedly complained that the organisation had done nothing to help them.

More here -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57277777

Also -

'Communist' BLM founder Patrisse Cullors defends her $3MILLION property portfolio - including private jet hangar in garden - and claims she's not been paid since 2019 and questions about it are a 'tactic of terror to silence her'

Cullors is facing criticism over how a Marxist can have a large property portfolio
Tuesday the BLM co-founder, 37, said questions about her four homes were racist and said that it was 'a tactic of terror' to discredit and silence her
BLM said questions were part of 'a tradition of terror by white supremacists'. The organization confirmed that Cullors had not been paid by them since 2019
She has been paid a total of $120,000 from 2013-19 for her work with BLM
Cullors is a best-selling author and recently signed a deal with Warner Bros
She is believed to own four homes in Los Angeles and Georgia; the most recent purchase is a $1.4m home in Topanga Canyon, LA
The district in which the BLM founder will now live is 88% white and 1.8% black
Critics accused her of abandoning her social justice and activist roots

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9468847/BLM-founder-defends-3MILLION-property-portfolio-claims-questions-tactic-terror.html

283Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri May 28 2021, 11:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
As a best-selling author with substantial wealth and property retained for her personal use, Cullors is obviously neither a communist nor a marxist - she's a discontented capitalist.

Not sure that the $20k a year she got from BLM is relevant, so the question has to be did she claim to be a Marxist/Communist herself or was she labelled that by e.g. the media? Because if she didn't personally claim to be that where is the hypocrisy? She didn't.

Bottom line is she's a campaigner for societal change which is what has to happen if BLM objectives are to be achieved. She has studied Marxism but that doesn't make her a Marxist any more than Boris studying classics makes him an ancient Greek.

284Black Lives Matter - Page 10 Empty Re: Black Lives Matter Fri May 28 2021, 13:25

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
If you watch Fox News, everyone who leans to the left is a Marxist. Biden is a puppet, controlled by 'the squad', and schools are teaching revolution.
This is quite funny.

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