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481Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Oct 07 2020, 22:39

Sluffy

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@Ten Bobsworth wrote:Anyway, Sluffy, its your site and up to you but as Eddie's no longer with us and Sue's settled for whatever she's settled for lets draw the curtains, shut the book and forget everything that ever happened.

By the same token, maybe we should also never mention David Jack, Joe Smith, Charles Foweraker,  Harry Goslin, Ray Westwood, Nat Lofthouse, Eddie Hopkinson, Tommy Banks, Freddie Hill or anyone else that's made any kind of mark in the history of Bolton Wanderers.

Do you get my drift?

Yes I get your drift and it's 'our' site so you (and everyone else) are free to talk about whatever you like but what I'm saying is that most people have long since made their minds up that Anderson was all bad, Eddie never put the money he did into the club - it was all made up numbers by his accountants and that Holdsworth was the bloke that missed that sitter that cost us a FA Cup final but he was alright because he shagged that page three girl.

What's it matter what folk who think like that  - think like that?

Who cares if they are ignorant or don't want to be educated to the better?

They've made their minds up years ago and aren't going to be changing them because they read something on here.  Christ, most people think we are the oddballs because we aren't like them!!!

Let them think what they like, who cares what they think?  I don't.

If you want to dwell on trying to change closed minds then please do so but no one else gives a fig about it.

We are different to most others you and me Bob, we do like the truth, we both stand up for it, even when no one else cares or thinks we are weirdo's for doing so, but where we do differ from each other is that I fought that battle and moved on, you're still fighting it - but there is no one left to fight against, they've all moved on too.

I know we won that battle, events afterwards have proved that, Anderson hasn't been locked up or had his assets seized under the Proceeds of Crime Act, Eddie and his largesse to the club (both in his lifetime and the through his estate) has now become far more widely acknowledged and shagger Holdsworth is now seen to be nothing more than a chancer.

That's the best result we are ever going to get, you are never going to convince everyone they've been wrong all along!

Life's not fair, football's not fair and people on internet footy forums certainly aren't fair, nor are they often reasonable, accepting, willing to change their minds or admit they made a mistake and a million and one other things as well!

FV and their business model is what we should be flexing our minds on, for instance why has nothing been said about EDT's charge being settled, if Sue Davies has waived it, should that magnificent generosity not be publicly recognised, if it was paid in full, then where has the money come from and why settle it now, did it fall due or something?  What about the Administrators charge, has that been paid off too, etc, etc.

There's plenty stuff to ponder over, new and untouched things to get our teeth in so to speak!

More fun than just ploughing that lone furrow that you are seemingly doing, I would suggest.

Let's not forget the past I do absolutely agree, let us honour it as well but don't decide to live in it - life moves on even if you do want it to at times.

The king is dead...

...long live the queen?

482Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 01:55

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:

I'm now going to watch an episode of The Twilight Zone. Goodnight.
The original series or the later one introduced by the African-American bloke?

483Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 07:00

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:
The original series or the later one introduced by the African-American bloke?
Original of course. The Brillo always beats the soap filled pad. If you're looking for a Rod Serling movie, this is excellent.

484Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 08:08

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sluffy and nine bob wondering why they are the only people with a brain on here and why we are all so ignorant to "the truth"

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485Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 08:16

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Particularly enjoyed this statement. It’s like a Trump campaign ad:

Truth lover wrote:
We are different to most others you and me Bob, we do like the truth, we both stand up for it, even when no one else cares or thinks we are weirdo's for doing so, 

486Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 08:32

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
The blockheads are not the audience, Sluffy, and never have been. And don't for one moment give them the excuse that they have no financial training or experience. Their default position was always accusatory when anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have seen that their accusations were flimsy to say the very least.

There's a bigger audience than the four online as I write this and its ten times as big this morning as it usually seems to be. They are the silent majority.

 I don't doubt that there are blockheads amongst them too but I hope they aren't all like that.

487Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 10:19

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I wish you were the silent minority nine bob. 

You pretend to know more than most but unless you worked for the club or have insider knowledge then you are just guessing what has gone on for the last few years just like the rest of us.

488Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 10:57

Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:Sluffy and nine bob wondering why they are the only people with a brain on here and why we are all so ignorant to "the truth"

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Well in the case of the club and the actions of Anderson whilst he owned it you and nearly everyone else WERE ignorant of the truth at that time.

How many others apart from Bob and I who DID know better spoke up to tell you what was actually happening and not what you all thought and believed to be true?

What grief did it get us, yet even knowing the internet like I do, I still did it, Bob too.

More fool us perhaps but we simply wanted to people to stop believing the internet and social media tripe and become more aware of the actual facts of the matter and not the shit being spoon fed to them by 'influencers' such Iles and the ST.

We didn't do that to show how clever we were, we didn't get rich from doing it, nobody patted us on the back and said thank you afterwards - we did it simply because we knew it to be the truth and wanted people to know what it was and not what they believed from the shite they were reading off social media.

If something happened in your field of knowledge you know was wrong wouldn't you speak up?

If say social media started saying to something ridiculous like say 'eat an apple a day and you won't catch the virus' wouldn't you post on here that it isn't true?

Well that's all Bob and I did.

Bob might believe he's on another level of intellectuality than the rest of us, maybe he is, but I've certainly never made out I'm cleverer than anyone else all I've ever done is to inform people on issues where I've been professional trained in and have extensive personal knowledge on.

Fair enough if anyone doesn't want to believe me, it is the internet when all said and done and people can say anything they want on it, true or not, but I knew the crowd was wrong in respect of their belief of why things were happening at the club as they were and simply spoke up to inform it that it wasn't the case.

I've still no idea why people had such a big problem with me doing so either than or now?

489Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:04

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Particularly enjoyed this statement. It’s like a Trump campaign ad:

Truth lover wrote:
We are different to most others you and me Bob, we do like the truth, we both stand up for it, even when no one else cares or thinks we are weirdo's for doing so, 

Isn't that why you believe in scrutiny, holding people to account for their actions and seeking the truth of the matter or is it just for the Labour Party and the people you follow on Twitter to do that and not some random bloke like me from the internet?



490Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:23

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Ten Bobsworth wrote:The blockheads are not the audience, Sluffy, and never have been. And don't for one moment give them the excuse that they have no financial training or experience. Their default position was always accusatory when anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have seen that their accusations were flimsy to say the very least.

There's a bigger audience than the four online as I write this and its ten times as big this morning as it usually seems to be. They are the silent majority.

 I don't doubt that there are blockheads amongst them too but I hope they aren't all like that.

I'm sorry Bob but we are a tiny site in the scheme of things and your message to the masses won't be traveling very far from here.

Don't trust the numbers of visitors and 'hits' on the threads either, many of them are search bots either from the likes of Google or from security services that are searching everything that's posted looking for key words and phrases that alert them to the likes of attempted radicalisation or potential security risks.

I suspect that last bit is no longer as significant as it was in the past with technology moving on over the last decade and forums like ours becoming left behind in social media terms.

Twitter and Instagram is probably the way to go to get your message out to the masses there days but it's not for me. I'm happy just to say my peace on here and leave it at that.

491Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:37

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You could try WW nine bob, sorry forgot they don't like you either do they?

492Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:42

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Norpig wrote:I wish you were the silent minority nine bob. 

You pretend to know more than most but unless you worked for the club or have insider knowledge then you are just guessing what has gone on for the last few years just like the rest of us.

There's facts that are in the public domain such as the clubs annual accounts and Administrators reports. If you know how to read them and its been your career doing so, you know what they say without having to be an insider or purely guess work.

Common sense and intuition also plays a part, for instance you yourself wondered how Eddie could so much money into the club if he was reported to only have had half the money he put in - clearly something doesn't seem right. As it happens his wealth was under reported and he did write off all that money owed to him - but my point is that it raised a question and some such as myself went searching for the answer - similarly when Bob looked at the accounts it set off questions in his mind as to what has gone on here then and why, that others without his training and experience simply don't see or understand.

You may not like Bob but give him his due, he knows his way around business accounts and what they say (and possibly more important) and what they don't.

493Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:43

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Norpig wrote:You could try WW nine bob, sorry forgot they don't like you either do they?

They don't like me either!

Oh well such is life!

:biggrin:

494Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:53

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Norpig wrote:You could try WW nine bob, sorry forgot they don't like you either do they?
A site for ageing potty-mouthed adolescents is tailor made for some folk.  Ever heard the phrase eight going on forty-eight? It works the other way too. You should try it.

495Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 11:56

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

Isn't that why you believe in scrutiny, holding people to account for their actions and seeking the truth of the matter or is it just for the Labour Party and the people you follow on Twitter to do that and not some random bloke like me from the internet?


Yes i think most people believe in those things, my point is you and Bob are not an embattled minority for holding these views.

496Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 12:38

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Isn't that why you believe in scrutiny, holding people to account for their actions and seeking the truth of the matter or is it just for the Labour Party and the people you follow on Twitter to do that and not some random bloke like me from the internet?


Yes i think most people believe in those things, my point is you and Bob are not an embattled minority for holding these views.


Embattled, as in surrounded by the enemy?

If so, yes I believe I was, no doubt Bob felt the same.  I suffered some awful abuse both on here and ww at the time.

Bob and I were certainly in a minority that's for sure - I don't think anyone took our side did they?

I certainly can't remember anyone chipping in and saying something like Sluffy and/or Bob may have a point here - it was all anti-Anderson hatred and we were labelled as being on his side and being hated as such along with him for being 'seen' to be so.

Anyway water under the bridge for me now.

497Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 13:09

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

Embattled, as in surrounded by the enemy?

If so, yes I believe I was, no doubt Bob felt the same.  I suffered some awful abuse both on here and ww at the time.

Bob and I were certainly in a minority that's for sure - I don't think anyone took our side did they?

I certainly can't remember anyone chipping in and saying something like Sluffy and/or Bob may have a point here - it was all anti-Anderson hatred and we were labelled as being on his side and being hated as such along with him for being 'seen' to be so.

Anyway water under the bridge for me now.

If you still can't understand why fans were unhappy with Anderson's time at the club then there's no helping you. I've explained to you so many times the difference between being a dick and doing something illegal, the fact no illegal activity by Anderson has been uncovered does not excuse his poor behaviour during his time as chairman which clearly affected our performances on the pitch.

Like so many other issues we discuss, you seem to decide your position first and work backwards from there. You dug in on Anderson and refused to see any other view point.

You posted some really interesting points during the whole debacle, you clearly have a lot of knowledge on the subject and I appreciate you sharing it - but there's no need to rewrite the past with nonsense statements like this, you gave as good as you got on here. Talk of being surrounded by enemies is over the top.

498Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 13:35

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
A site for ageing potty-mouthed adolescents is tailor made for some folk.  Ever heard the phrase eight going on forty-eight? It works the other way too. You should try it.
Didn't Dennis Healey once say debating with Geoffrey Howe was like being savaged by a dead sheep? I know just how he feels  Very Happy

499Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 13:50

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Embattled, as in surrounded by the enemy?

If so, yes I believe I was, no doubt Bob felt the same.  I suffered some awful abuse both on here and ww at the time.

Bob and I were certainly in a minority that's for sure - I don't think anyone took our side did they?

I certainly can't remember anyone chipping in and saying something like Sluffy and/or Bob may have a point here - it was all anti-Anderson hatred and we were labelled as being on his side and being hated as such along with him for being 'seen' to be so.

Anyway water under the bridge for me now.

If you still can't understand why fans were unhappy with Anderson's time at the club then there's no helping you. I've explained to you so many times the difference between being a dick and doing something illegal, the fact no illegal activity by Anderson has been uncovered does not excuse his poor behaviour during his time as chairman which clearly affected our performances on the pitch.

Like so many other issues we discuss, you seem to decide your position first and work backwards from there. You dug in on Anderson and refused to see any other view point.

You posted some really interesting points during the whole debacle, you clearly have a lot of knowledge on the subject and I appreciate you sharing it - but there's no need to rewrite the past with nonsense statements like this, you gave as good as you got on here. Talk of being surrounded by enemies is over the top.
:agree:
The majority, not the minority on here simply didn’t like him for how he ran the club.  Who actually accused him of doing anything illegal?

500Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 13:55

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Norpig wrote:
Didn't Dennis Healey once say debating with Geoffrey Howe was like being savaged by a dead sheep? I know just how he feels  Very Happy
Know about dead sheep, do you? You seem to have the intellect of one.

501Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:00

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Ten Bobsworth wrote:
Know about dead sheep, do you? You seem to have the intellect of one.
 Please stop i'm no match for your rapier like wit and offensive put downs, i can't cope  :rofl:



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502Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:02

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm starting to lose my sanity on here now.

Norpig, pass me a knife so I can slit my fucking wrists.

Jesus Christ!

503Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:06

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Embattled, as in surrounded by the enemy?

If so, yes I believe I was, no doubt Bob felt the same.  I suffered some awful abuse both on here and ww at the time.

Bob and I were certainly in a minority that's for sure - I don't think anyone took our side did they?

I certainly can't remember anyone chipping in and saying something like Sluffy and/or Bob may have a point here - it was all anti-Anderson hatred and we were labelled as being on his side and being hated as such along with him for being 'seen' to be so.

Anyway water under the bridge for me now.

You've got a victim complex if you think you were surrounded by enemies. Getting bored of reading it, you weren't abused on here, you gave us good as you got to the few you got into running battles with ovber this.

If you still can't understand why fans were unhappy with Anderson's time at the club then there's no helping you. I've explained to you so many times the difference between being a dick and doing something illegal, the fact no illegal activity by Anderson has been uncovered does not excuse his poor behaviour during his time as chairman which clearly affected our performances on the pitch.

Like so many other issues we discuss, you seem to decide your position first and work backwards from there. You dug in on Anderson and refused to see any other view point.

Stop trying to rewrite the past with nonsense statements like this.

Yes I was abused on here, read the threads at the time if you've forgotten and if giving back to someone telling the world that I'd got mental health issues by replying to him that he was a moonman was on the same level for 'giving it back', then I simply don't agree with you.

I've not got a victim complex at all, I merely stated what was actually happened at the time and not what people wanted to believe was happening, nothing more, nothing less.

You seem to be totally fixed on the mistaken belief that Anderson could run the company within the law and do MORALLY the right things at the same time - he couldn't, it wasn't a moral choice he had, it was a physical one - it was one or the other, not both - he couldn't pay the players their wages and continue to trade within the law at the same time, you don't seem to understand this?

To but it as simply as I can, once he emptied the clubs bank account it required him to declare the club insolvent, have his ownership taken from him and stop any potential sale he may had been working on.  By not paying the players, suppliers or whoever else but still have some money in the club he still had a chance to sell the club, settle the wages and supplier bills and earn himself something at the end of it all.

Maybe you believe you would throw yourself financially under the bus to do the moral thing but perhaps if it actually came to that in real life maybe you might have second thoughts over being so magnanimous and taking such a self-sacrificing stance when you don't actually have to.

Anderson didn't need to 'do' the moral thing, he chose another option that was open to him and was better for him.

Six thousand people pledged and gave their word to join the ST when it was first set up - only three thousand actually did so - and we are only talking about a tenner cost to each one of them - how many people like those calling out that Anderson wasn't acting morally would act and do what they were calling for him to do when it might have lost themselves potentially millions?

Not many I would think.

I'm not sure I would and I like to think of myself as someone who would do the right thing at the right time.

I'm not stupid I know why people don't like Anderson but how many of those had any clue why he acted like he did - in his position and given the choice to do the right thing or potentially safe yourself a fortune by not doing - would do exactly what Anderson did do?

More than a few I would suspect.

So it's easy to pontificate about someone else when you only see one side of the story and don't have a considerable sum of money at stake.

I'm not the one whose 'dug' in on Anderson, I'm simply the one explaining what options he had and why he chose to do what he did.

Maybe a more pertinent point would be how he ever became club owner in the first place and that leads back to the lengthy discussions between Bob and myself over the last few days and I guess only Eddie could have answered that.

He's gone now and so to has Holdsworth and Anderson and as I've been trying to do over a considerable time since FV took over is to move on from there myself to.

Carpe deim perhaps instead.

504Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:09

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:
 Please stop i;m no match for your rapier like wit and offensive put downs, i can't cope  :rofl:
This is just like the Lincoln v Douglas debates in 1858. Marvellous stuff. They had seven debates, each lasting three hours, so you boys have a way to go yet.
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505Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:42

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@karlypants wrote:I'm starting to lose my sanity on here now.

Norpig, pass me a knife so I can slit my fucking wrists.

Jesus Christ!

You massive bellend, you're the only one who can put a stop to it.

The future of Nuts is in your hands.

(We're fucked).

506Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 14:50

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I can't think of anything to say, so...
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507Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 21:30

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

You massive bellend, you're the only one who can put a stop to it.

The future of Nuts is in your hands.

(We're fucked).
You know what, Boncey, don't you think it would be a good idea to cast Nuts posters as Beano characters?

Nat would be a shoe-in for Minnie the Minx and/or Beryl the Peril.

Dennis the Menace? Wanderlust I think.

Smiffy? T.R.O.Y. or Norpig? He doesn't get things wrong, he just answers questions in a different order.

Any other suggestions?

508Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 21:43

Banks of the Croal

Banks of the Croal
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
Think we did something similar before, got bonce down as

509Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Oct 08 2020, 21:58

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'd be Corporal Clott. Bob would be Colonel Blink (Arf Arf).
I see Nat as more of a Pansy Potter.
Dirty Dick is anyone's guess.

510Wigan in Administration - Page 17 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Fri Oct 09 2020, 01:39

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Come on Sluff, you're not Custer, and just because 50p concurs with your view of events doesn't mean that your version of events is the last bastion of truth on this subject. As many other posters have reminded you, nobody knows the real truth here, and everybody has their own opinions and interpretations of what went on.
I agree with you that Holdsworth seems to have come out of this whole thing smelling of roses but nobody will convince me that Anderson wasn't just in it to make a fast easy buck and didn't give a rat's arse about the effect it had on Bolton Wanderers F.C.

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