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211Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 15:08

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
As I will be on chemotherapy until mid September and possibly longer if my blood tests don't give suitable readings, I will be shielding for a lot longer than any ignorant government advice.

You can't make a one size fits all statement about shielding when it involves 2 million plus people with a multitude of different ages and conditions.

I prefer to use my own common sense and the advice of the Oncology Department at Blackpool Victoria, than that of the two twats. ( Boris and Matt).

212Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 16:06

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Thought I'd chuck this in from an 'ethnic' perspective from two weeks ago in respect of Blackburn -


"We have we had 114 cases in the last two weeks and 97 are south Asian which is why we want to minimise household contact," Prof Harrison said.

"What we are seeing from looking at the postcode data in the last two weeks is a single house being infected and and the whole household becoming infected creating household clusters in part of the town."

He said it was causing "rising tide events that they are mainly in south Asian areas and areas with a high number of terraced houses and occupied by four or more five people".



Faz Patel MBE, who is a local adviser on community cohesion in Blackburn, said he was worried young people were ignoring advice on social distancing.

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Young people are ignoring advice on social distancing, says Faz Patel

"What is happening since the easing of lockdown, we are seeing a lot of young Asian men and other young people spending time with their friends and going to their homes where they might spread the virus to their parents or grandparents," he said.

"We have to get the message out we can't go into another lockdown that would have a detrimental effect on our local area.

"It is going to be difficult, people started going to see their families last week but we have to stick to the new measures. People have got to understand no hugs or handshakes even though it is part of our culture."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-53414937

213Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 17:03

T.R.O.Y.


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

I'm out voted in my understanding of the English language... wtf are you talking about?

Fwiw I've dealt with and briefed MP's in my career so I have far more knowledge about this subject matter than you probably suspect of me.

I await Calderdale Council - which is Labour controlled - to refute what Whitaker has said.

I won't be holding my breath though.

Whitaker's been briefed - probably said too much - but he would have known what he was talking about.

Up to you if you don't want to believe it but as far as I can see no one is disputing the factuality of what he said but more to do as to how he said it.

You have far more knowledge of briefing MPs than I do? How does that mean you know what facts Whitaker had at hand when he made his accusations?

Theories and facts are different things, suggest you look them up.

214Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 17:38

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

I'm out voted in my understanding of the English language... wtf are you talking about?

Fwiw I've dealt with and briefed MP's in my career so I have far more knowledge about this subject matter than you probably suspect of me.

I await Calderdale Council - which is Labour controlled - to refute what Whitaker has said.

I won't be holding my breath though.

Whitaker's been briefed - probably said too much - but he would have known what he was talking about.

Up to you if you don't want to believe it but as far as I can see no one is disputing the factuality of what he said but more to do as to how he said it.

You have far more knowledge of briefing MPs than I do? How does that mean you know what facts Whitaker had at hand when he made his accusations?

Theories and facts are different things, suggest you look them up.

Briefings provide the facts for those who need to know them.

I also already know the difference between theory and fact thank you.

You've clearly taken a stance and dug in.

Doesn't mean it's the right one though and whether you like it or not the information about the facts of who has been tested positive for the virus and who their contacts are. are in the domain of both Hancock who took the decision and the council's effected and if you truly believe that Whittaker was completely oblivious to Corona spread within his constituency then you clearly are ignorant about such matters as he would automatically be receiving facts and information from both Conservative Head Office and the Public Health Director at Calderdale.

He also doesn't work alone at Calderdale, he would have his own team of staff providing research and information to him.

Whittaker had the relevant facts to hand and if you don't want to believe that then that's your problem not mine.

215Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 18:27

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
For sake of balance it is worth noting that something is happening in Swindon which has a low population of around 7% Asian ethnicity.

They've shot up to No 5 on the seven day average of new cases at a rate of 50 cases per 100,000 population.

They've had 93 cases reported in the last 4 days but only had a mere 15 in the three days previous.

Seems to be consistent to be a spike at some factory or large employer - indeed on just checking I've found this from yesterday -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-53610084

Iceland Covid-hit depot workers 'afraid to go back'

216Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 18:53

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sluffy, you need a new hobby.





217Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 19:47

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Natasha Whittam wrote:Sluffy, you need a new hobby.

I guess this is my hobby these days.

I'm fortunate enough not to need to work and I've not much else to do to keep myself amused so I try and do the best I can to understand the risks to my family and I with this pandemic and live my life around it.

I do enjoy research and analysis in any event and I'm not overly obsessive about it, the odds are definitely in my/our favour of avoiding it if we stay sensible and assume most others won't.

All the information I seem to need is available and all I do really is make a note of the daily information that I'm bothered about which takes me two minutes if that!

It takes me considerably more time having contrived arguments with certain individuals mainly over their preconceived social/political stance who simply don't wish to accept the facts that don't conform with what their deeply entrenched beliefs.

The bottom line is that the virus doesn't make the vast majority under the age of 40 (irrespective of what skin colour they are) particularly ill and any breaking of the rules and catching of the virus won't adversely effect them.

The big difference is how many people they infect with it and for all the reasons said above, Muslim communities in the north are passing it on at a greater rate than the pissed up white dickheads at the beach or down the pub, who seemingly pass it on mainly in workplaces rather than at home where they don't normal live in big family clusters and have loads of family and friends coming and going all the time.

It's just all about the numbers, closeness to and time spent with, of interactions that causes the new infections.

Simple as that really.

As I say it passes my time on.

218Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 22:55

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Sluffy, you wrote
It takes me considerably more time having contrived arguments with certain individuals mainly over their preconceived social/political stance who simply don't wish to accept the facts that don't conform with what their deeply entrenched beliefs.


With your experience, I would suggest you treat it as no more than office politics.  We all know it doesn't matter when you go home at the end of the day Very Happy 

219Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sat Aug 01 2020, 23:51

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@gloswhite wrote:Sluffy, you wrote
It takes me considerably more time having contrived arguments with certain individuals mainly over their preconceived social/political stance who simply don't wish to accept the facts that don't conform with what their deeply entrenched beliefs.


With your experience, I would suggest you treat it as no more than office politics.  We all know it doesn't matter when you go home at the end of the day Very Happy 

I do!

I'm not bothered what someone I don't know thinks, it's just a game that is being played really, although it can and does go way too far at times.

Whether he believes me or not, what I've said is what's really happening in those areas.

I've had a peek as to what's happening in Gloucester if you are interested - you are in 278th place (out of 315) with a rate of new infections of 1.5 per 100,000 population for the last seven day new cases average.

In comparison Bolton are 27th on 17.9 and Calderdale (where we've been talking about Whittaker and the Muslims) are 7th on 38.6.

Nat needs to be careful though as Preston has just stormed into 10th place with 35.3!

But winning so far is Wanderlust in joint last place with North Norfolk on ZERO!!!

Keep safe mate, that goes for everyone else too.

220Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 00:25

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Sluffy, you wrote
It takes me considerably more time having contrived arguments with certain individuals mainly over their preconceived social/political stance who simply don't wish to accept the facts that don't conform with what their deeply entrenched beliefs.


With your experience, I would suggest you treat it as no more than office politics.  We all know it doesn't matter when you go home at the end of the day Very Happy 

@Sluffy wrote:I'm not bothered what someone I don't know thinks, it's just a game that is being played really


Cool!

Does that mean we can all have a "ban" button for folk who disagree with us?

After all, the whole underpinning principle concluding the Cold War is mutually assured destruction.

Although on here it would be more like fastest finger first Smile

221Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 00:51

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:Sluffy, you wrote
It takes me considerably more time having contrived arguments with certain individuals mainly over their preconceived social/political stance who simply don't wish to accept the facts that don't conform with what their deeply entrenched beliefs.


With your experience, I would suggest you treat it as no more than office politics.  We all know it doesn't matter when you go home at the end of the day Very Happy 

@Sluffy wrote:I'm not bothered what someone I don't know thinks, it's just a game that is being played really


Cool!

Does that mean we can all have a "ban" button for folk who disagree with us?

After all, the whole underpinning principle concluding the Cold War is mutually assured destruction.

Although on here it would be more like fastest finger first Smile

Disagreement's never been a banning issue,

Abuse has.

That's why you've been banned many times and you've used up all your lives because of it.

Think on.

::rules::

222Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 11:03

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
We all have different views of what 'abuse' consists of. Just thought I would chuck that in  Very Happy

223Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 13:23

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:We all have different views of what 'abuse' consists of. Just thought I would chuck that in  Very Happy
Shut it Glos you barsteward! Smile

224Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 16:24

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Glos working in a pub now?

225Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Aug 02 2020, 18:57

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Bring it on boys. I'm tough as old boots me. When I'm not being called things, I think there's something wrong  Very Happy

226Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Aug 03 2020, 10:04

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:

Disagreement's never been a banning issue,

Abuse has.

That's why you've been banned many times and you've used up all your lives because of it.

Think on.

::rules::


So why did you ban me then? I didn’t abuse anyone.

227Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Aug 03 2020, 10:59

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@xmiles wrote:

So why did you ban me then? I didn’t abuse anyone.
Same here...never abused anyone. And I'm accused of playing games....I don't even know what is meant by that.  I'm a serious poster, as everyone surely knows....

228Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Aug 03 2020, 11:16

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Yeah right, of course you both are...

229Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Aug 03 2020, 22:01

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
So why were we banned? Neither of us abused anyone.

230Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Aug 03 2020, 22:15

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:So why were we banned? Neither of us abused anyone.

What about poor Boris?

231Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 00:46

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

What about poor Boris?
Never heard of him.

232Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 10:57

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

What about poor Boris?

Calling Boris a serial liar, lazy and interested only in himself is not abuse. These are facts.

Still waiting for an explanation from sluffy though.

233Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 12:34

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

What about poor Boris?

Calling Boris a serial liar, lazy and interested only in himself is not abuse. These are facts.

Still waiting for an explanation from sluffy though.

You've had one.

Stop the game playing now thank you or go and play somewhere else.

234Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 12:37

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
With scientists suggesting today that the government's track and trace measures are not working well enough to minimise the impact of further waves of the virus this is a great opportunity for the government to do what it claims it does i.e. listen to the science.

Seems to me that people returning to the workplace is a greater threat than kids going back to school (assuming stringent measures in both environments) as kids are far less likely to catch - and therefore transmit it than adults but either way the T&T system needs teeth if we are to avoid more stringent "police state" type measures. 
There is clear evidence of people who have been in contact with known cases actually avoiding being traced and extra powers are needed to get to those idiots, even if it means going to their homes. In Australia there has been violent resistance to anti-Covid measures and police have had to smash car windows to get folk to tell them where they are going. 
Let's hope the government acts before we get to that stage.

235Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 15:23

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Preston likely to be under new Covid restrictions 'within days' if case rate does not improve

It is likely to be a matter of “days not weeks” before Preston faces similar restrictions to those imposed in East Lancashire – if the city’s increasing Covid infection rate does not rapidly go into reverse

236Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 15:24

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bad news for Nat.

237Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Aug 04 2020, 15:25

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
That was the stark warning from Lancashire’s director of public health, Dr. Sakthi Karunanithi, as Preston entered the top ten areas of the country with the highest weekly case rates of coronavirus.

In the seven days up to 30th July, there were 34.6 positive tests per 100,000 people in the city – more than two and a half times the 13.4 recorded just a week earlier, according to Press Association analysis of Public Health England data.
Preston has moved from 50th out of more than 350 local authority areas ranked by that measure in mid-June up to tenth.

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238Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Aug 05 2020, 15:46

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Coronavirus infection rates were almost eight times higher in Blackburn with Darwen than in Rossendale when both areas were both put under the same local lockdown measures last week.
Fresh data released by Public Health England shows a wide range of infection rates across Lancashire on the day that new Government local lockdown rules came in across the east of the county.

In Blackburn with Darwen, which was included in the areas with fresh restrictions by Health Secretary Matt Hancock, the Covid-19 infection rate was 77.9 cases per 100,000 in the week ending July 31, down from 81.9 the week before.
In stark contrast, Rossendale, which was also included in the list of at-risk areas, the infection rate was 9.9. This was an increase from 5.6 the week before, showing that cases were on the whole rising across the borough - but nowhere near the rate in Blackburn.

The three other Lancashire boroughs under fresh local lockdown rules - Pendle, Hyndburn, and Burnley - had infection rates of 36.1, 17.3 and 16.9.
Residents in these east Lancashire are no longer allowed to meet in different households, or people from other households inside pubs and restaurants, as of Friday, July 31.

Preston, which is now 'days away' from joining the five east Lancashire boroughs with its own local lockdown measures , recorded the third highest infection rate in Lancashire with 33.8 cases per 100,000 people. Only Blackburn with Darwen and Pendle had higher rates.

The figures, for the seven days to July 31, are based on tests carried out in laboratories (pillar one of the Government’s testing programme) and in the wider community (pillar two).
The rate is expressed as the number of new cases per 100,000 people.
Data for the most recent three days (August 1 to August 3) has been excluded as it is incomplete and likely to be revised.

Each Lancashire area's rate of infection in the seven days to July 31, followed by the rate for the seven days to July 24:


  • Blackburn with Darwen: 77.9, down from 81.9

  • Pendle: 36.1, down from 40.5

  • Preston: 33.8, up from 15.5

  • Hyndburn: 17.3, down from 40.8

  • Burnley: 16.9, down from 21.5

  • West Lancashire: 15.8, up from 13.2

  • Fylde: 10, up from 2.5

  • Rossendale: 9.9, up from 5.6

  • South Ribble: 3.6, no change

  • Chorley: 6, up from 3.4

  • Ribble Valley: 5, down from 6.7

  • Blackpool: 4.3, down from 7.2

  • Lancaster: 2.1, no change

  • Wyre: 1.8, no change


  • www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/new-rules-visiting-people-who-18712541

239Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Aug 05 2020, 15:48

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
As if Preston is in East Lancashire.

240Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 8 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Aug 05 2020, 16:23

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Natasha Whittam wrote:As if Preston is in East Lancashire.
Just stay at home and stay safe.

Older people need to be very careful.

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