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541Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 16:20

Norpig

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I must be a blockhead, had to look up persiflage  Very Happy

542Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 16:20

boltonbonce

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Razz

543Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 16:45

sunlight

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Tony Kelly
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@boltonbonce wrote:


The Brillo's will prevail, leaving the soap filled pads cowering behind the taps with the used tea bags. 


It is a good analogy. Tea bags should always be given a three hour period after use, to drain away and cool down on the side of the sink before placing in the bin. A period of grace with due dignity.
The pedal bin will still be there in a few hours.

544Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 16:47

boltonbonce

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@sunlight wrote:

It is a good analogy. Tea bags should always be given a three hour period after use, to drain away and cool down on the side of the sink before placing in the bin. A period of grace with due dignity.
The pedal bin will still be there in a few hours.
Quite correct. Dignity is everything.

545Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:02

Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:I must be a blockhead, had to look up persiflage  Very Happy

So did I!

17,540 positives today, lockdown measures are going to be common place soon.

Good news of sorts still 'just' 3,044 in (English) hospitals when you consider these number of reported cases in the last seven days

2/10 Fri - 6978
3/10 - 12872
4/10 -22961
5/10 - 12594
6/10 - 14542
7/10 - 14162
8/10 today - 17540

So that's about 100k new cases (but there was a 'blip' in reporting about 17k of them that dated back to the previous week).

If we therefore over compensate and look at the number in hospital not a week ago, but a week before that - being Friday 25th Sept, that total was 1721

So although we aren't matching like with like as such, the UK has reported 100k cases in the last 7 days but English hospitals has only seen a rise of 1,300 being in hospital (the net figure between daily admissions and daily discharges) or about just 1 in 100 needing to be in a hospital bed a week later.

I say 'just' but clearly it isn't fun if you are one of them or your loved one is.

Personally I think it was unwise to let the universities open as it was that particular age group was always most likely to catch and spread the virus nationally but on the other hand if it was always going to happen sooner or later then perhaps it is better it happened now then further into the winter period where the health service is seasonally under more pressure normally.

Anyway seeing that we really can't stop all this and the spread is going exponentially in many places now it would seem that everything is still within manageable matters NHS wise and the death rate going through the roof.

546Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:21

boltonbonce

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Been a big jump here in Warrington,Sluffy. Wasn't too long ago that we were feeling rather smug about our low rates of infection.
Worrying times again.

547Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:50

Sluffy

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I think this is going to be the norm for us all and for quite a while too.

You can't keep the virus out, too many people won't conform to the guidance, so it's inevitable it will happen even in country's who are really good at keeping it out so far.

In a perverse sort of way we either go through it sooner or later but go through it we will.  At least if it's bad where you live now hopefully it will be better when others are going through it in the winter time with all the seasonal calls on the local NHS service as well.

I went to my local Tesco yesterday and they've just installed a door control limiting the people allowed in at once, nearly everyone wore a mask - but there were still those who didn't - the shop even sells them ffs!!!

One bloke without a mask inside the store was even coughing and wiping his nose - no one said a word - who wants a punch in the mouth for saying something?

I just walked to the other side of the store until he had gone.

That's what we are up against the sheer couldn't give a fuck attitude along with the 'it won't effect me' mantra as many of the youngsters seem to work to.

I posted up a chart under the university thread which although a week out of date shows that local neighbourhoods where universities are or where students live accounted for NINE of the worst area for new infections in the whole country - and I don't thing that is just a pure coincidence!

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t21342-coronavirus-should-the-university-s-reopen#414252

Hopefully you and your mum are nowhere near the university campus or its students in Warrington, or go shopping anywhere near there.

Be safe wherever you are though.

548Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 17:56

boltonbonce

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Mum lives close by, and is easy to keep an eye on. We get her shopping delivered, so apart from feeling cheesed off, she's fine. Once she discovered channel 81 we never hear a peep out of her for days on end, despite me telling her to phone every day. I have to go round, peer through the window, and get told to piss off.
Happy days. Very Happy

549Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 18:14

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I saw this last Sunday morning. Someone sleeping off the debauchery of the night before. No wonder Covid is spiking again.

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550Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 18:26

karlypants

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Looks like she got a good deal at Bargain Booze.

Great legs by the way!

551Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 18:34

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Imagine if she had been drunk texting her ex the night before. I bet she felt terrible when she woke up.
Her ex probably got a restraining order.

552Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 19:34

okocha

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Andy Walker
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New Zealand
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Deaths
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Recovered
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553Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 08 2020, 21:08

wanderlust

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@sunlight wrote:Imagine if she had been drunk texting her ex the night before. I bet she felt terrible when she woke up.
Her ex probably got a restraining order.
Her ex probably left for a good reason -communication issues.

554Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 10:14

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@wanderlust wrote:
Her ex probably left for a good reason -communication issues.

She was probable drunk-texting him for 4 hours solid.

555Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 10:15

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I know someone who has successfully passed their Covid test and has now got 14 days off.

556Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 11:36

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
I dont drink. However is it fair that the Government is going to make Northerners go drinking in places like Deby and Nottingham?

557Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 12:06

wanderlust

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The virus is slowly creeping into Norfolk and although folk here are generally behaving well and observing the recommendations in shops and pubs it's becoming increasingly worrying, even in our small town.

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Sluffy

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@wanderlust wrote:The virus is slowly creeping into Norfolk and although folk here are generally behaving well and observing the recommendations in shops and pubs it's becoming increasingly worrying, even in our small town.

I'm not being nasty or negative but I think all parts of the world, let alone Norfolk has to go through this, unless in the unlikely event for Norfolk at least. some sort of vaccine becomes available to it first.

There's always going to be some who doesn't do as they should and sooner or later will catch and spread the virus on, everywhere isn't there?

It seemed to me when the virus first hit England, London got hit first and places like the North East hardly got troubled with it.  I think there's probably more than just coincidence that in the second wave that is almost completely  reversed (at least so far anyway)

I've no idea if you can catch the virus twice, it has all gone a bit quiet on that but if you can't - or at least within a period of time that is more than before the first wave and this one, then numbers wise, you have all the North East vulnerable to catching it and a chunk of London (and that chunk probably being the ones most prone to catching it and passing it on) who have had it and for the time being at least not prone to catching it again this time around and passing it on.

Whilst the East and South West have pretty much avoided it in the first wave and so far this one (and hopefully they continue to do) then I just wonder when the next big out break happens (or one further on after that) that the East and South West then become the areas most hardest hit (being as they hadn't gone through it as yet and the rest of the country had - and had possibly already built up a bit of 'herd immunity' to it?).

Thought the following tables might interest you - up to date as per yesterdays totals.

The numbers you see on the left of the town or city is the current ranking of cases per 100,000 of population over the last seven day average - and is out of 315 (second tier structured - that means not county councils or Town/Parish councils) local authorities

This is your part of the world -

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This is what's happening in the North East -

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Now compare the North East to London below -

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559Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 12:59

Sluffy

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Thought I'd add this one into for Bonce, Norpig and everyone else with Bolton connections and loved ones.

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Just as a bit of trivia and to highlight recent events, the last date Bolton was in top position in the country in these tables was on Thursday 24th, September with a rate of 251.6

Just two weeks later we are now 24th with a rate of 356.4 (and that's even being in several weeks of local lockdown too!)

Makes you think a bit doesn't it?

Plenty people just aren't arsed are they - they know by and large it simply won't effect them - and in this they are correct, they simple don't care about anyone else, especially the old and sick - why should they be really - they don't know us.

Their world isn't going to stop for us is it?

And let's be honest, why should it do?

EDIT - just been typing this extra bit on the end as Norpig had been posting below.



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560Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 13:12

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
looks like even though Bolton have dropped down the list the rate is still going up? Doesn't look kike the local lockdown worked very well then did it?

My big worry is now where i live, all the local areas Sluffy posted about in the Uni thread are near me  Shocked

561Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 13:21

Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:looks like even though Bolton have dropped down the list the rate is still going up? Doesn't look kike the local lockdown worked very well then did it?

My big worry is now where i live, all the local areas Sluffy posted about in the Uni thread are near me  Shocked

Sorry mate, I'd actually been amending my post above to answer the question you made whilst I was doing so.

Is it two great minds think alike or fools never differing?

Very Happy

562Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 13:26

Norpig

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That is the part of all this that annoys me as well Sluffy. People keep banging on about how even if they get it it won't affect them so why care? 

They have no thought for anyone else they may encounter if they are positive and God forbid these people have elderly relatives or family members with existing conditions that are exacerbated by Covid-19.

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Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:My big worry is now where i live, all the local areas Sluffy posted about in the Uni thread are near me  Shocked

If I were in your shoes mate I'd try and think what would students (who seem to be the ones most prone to catch it and spread it on) be doing and how could I avoid them as best I could.

If say loads went into my local shops I'd try and shop somewhere else or get stuff delivered. If they catch the local bus as you, I'd walk or go by other means if I could or if I couldn't make sure I was near a window with fresh air coming into me rather than sitting behind people breathing theirs in. I've even bought a razer and shave my own head since the virus as I don't fancy waiting in the barbers for my turn these days (and that I usually have it shaved anyway so I don't look that much different having done it myself!

Maybe I'm being over cautious and OTT but if I was worried how else could I lower the odds about potentially catching it?

Also your good wife and kids must do somewhat similar too, otherwise what's the point of swerving your corner shop or store if they are piling in there every five minutes and bringing back what they picked up home to you - and I don't just mean the shopping!

You are almost certainly at an age and I assume in good health not to be bowled over if you did catch the virus but why take chances if it is easy enough to avoid it if you can.

That's my take on things anyway.

564Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Fri Oct 09 2020, 13:51

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
I get the bus to work (and ALWAYS wear a mask) and my bus does tend to get a good number of Uni students and High School kids but i've noticed more people do wear a mask now which is a good sign.

We tend to do online food shopping so ok on that but do still need to go to the local shops as well but again i always wear a mask.

I'm thinking i'll be odds on for having to isolate soon as my 2 kids are both in school and have had a few instances of broken bubbles already. 

Add that on to my hospital taking in Covid-19 patients from other hospitals and already having 80+ positive patients already then one way or another i'm bound to get it i reckon  Shocked

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Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:That is the part of all this that annoys me as well Sluffy. People keep banging on about how even if they get it it won't affect them so why care? 

They have no thought for anyone else they may encounter if they are positive and God forbid these people have elderly relatives or family members with existing conditions that are exacerbated by Covid-19.

You've just got to accept that you can't change their minds once they have made them up - dare I say it is just the same thing I and Bob have gone through in respect of how people have set their minds against Anderson.

You simply aren't going to change them and you have to learn to live with them and work around them.  Calling them stupid and ignorant simply doesn't work - but they are being 'blockheads' all the same, aren't they? There's two sides to most things, it's just that people don't always want to accept or even see that.

Such is life really.

You aren't going to change it so why get bothered about it then, just accept nothing much is going to change from them so if anything is to be done it is for you to change and adapt instead.

The chat about Anderson is totally meaningless in the scheme of things but Covid is real and to some even a killer.

@Norpig wrote:I'm thinking i'll be odds on for having to isolate soon as my 2 kids are both in school and have had a few instances of broken bubbles already. 

Add that on to my hospital taking in Covid-19 patients from other hospitals and already having 80+ positive patients already then one way or another i'm bound to get it i reckon  Shocked

I tell my daughter to go out and enjoy her life, just be sensible about it though and that's really what you and your love ones should be doing too, you can't really stop the rest doing what they do, just try to keep away from them as best you can.

That's what I try to do.

Life will still go on, exactly normal for many because the virus is entirely irrelevant and meaningless to them and most of the rest of us will simply have to take them as well as the virus into account as we live out ours from now on.

Just as an example, I see it every day in that where I live as I walk down the street and see someone approaching they will either step to the side and pass (social distance) or walk up to me as normal and I step to the side as they pass because clearly aren't bothered about such things.  You can see other people doing the same 'dance' themselves as well.

Just how people are and they aren't going to change as such but I'm of a view that IF people do get some form of immunity that lasts a time that slowly the ones most likely to catch it because of their actions will do so and once they've been through it future 'waves' will be that much less and less because of it.

I'm not an expert or even know what's behind the numbers but to me if you look at country's like the USA, Brazil and Sweden who don't seemed to have done hard lockdowns against the virus, that their daily totals now seem to be falling and I'm guessing that's because all the ones most likely to have caught it in the first place have done so and a sort of herd immunity is building up amongst the ones who don't care and accordingly reducing the spread amongst themselves and thus the rest of the population.

That's my hope anyway.

Stay safe mate, your gamily too.

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karlypants

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I feel the same way Norpig with the situation with schools. I always had the worry that I would get it with kids mixing.

If we have 20 kids in a class with 2 parents to each child and both parents working at different places being in an office with 20 people each then it's a lot of mixing and not all will adhere to the rules.

We already have 1 kid testing positive in year 5 at the school my lad now goes to where they have all had to stay off and isolate for 14 days.

The problem is that the teachers I would have thought would be teaching different year classes so they themselves would pass it round the year groups I would have thought.

I am now just waiting to catch it via this method and it's only a matter of time.

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karlypants

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Another example is the P.E instructer where my lad has it on a Friday. The instructor can't be doing P.E all hours 5 days a week at the same school so he would be doing it at multiple schools and he is a risk of passing it around that way too.

568Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Oct 11 2020, 21:09

boltonbonce

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Stricter restrictions coming into play tomorrow across Merseyside. If it includes Warrington, it looks as though I'll have to cancel my dental appointment in Walkden on Tuesday.
Travelling outside of the area would probably get me a fine. I'll have to check the full details tomorrow.

569Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Sun Oct 11 2020, 23:12

Sluffy

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@boltonbonce wrote:Stricter restrictions coming into play tomorrow across Merseyside. If it includes Warrington, it looks as though I'll have to cancel my dental appointment in Walkden on Tuesday.
Travelling outside of the area would probably get me a fine. I'll have to check the full details tomorrow.

Not that is of any help but the Wirral is in Merseyside but according to todays stats is BELOW Warrington which as you know isn't in Merseyside!

The common sense thing to do would be to either apply sanctions to Merseyside but not the Wirral OR Merseyside AND Warrington -

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Apparently new local lockdown rules for England are due be announced on Monday.

In Merseyside, alongside the closure of pubs and restaurants, travel will be limited into and out of the area for school, work, or transit only.

People from outside Merseyside will not be allowed to stay overnight, but it is expected that leisure facilities can stay open.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54499963

transit
/ˈtranzɪt,ˈtrɑːnzɪt,ˈtransɪt/

noun
1.
the carrying of people or things from one place to another.


Now having myself been part way through treatment at the dentist prior to the initial national lockdown and have yet to go back and have it completed I would suggest if your appointment is only for a check up, then don't go but if it is the final treatment DO go on the basis that you have kept to all the rules, you are certain you are not positive and it could be a very long time before you see your dentist again and intermittent tooth ache for several months is no fun.

If people can go to Barnard Castle to get their eyes checked out then is going to Walkden to get your teeth checked out any different in the scheme of things?

Although two wrongs do not make a right of course.

There is another factor to take into consideration also, in that Walkden comes under Salford which has a higher current level of positive cases than Warrington and such you may pose no threat to Walkden but Walkden may pose a threat to you!

Fwiw I've just looked up the latest  seven day cases (1st to 7th Oct)which for Walkden are

- Walkden South - 38
- Walkden North East - 31
- Walkden North West - 13

And for Warrington -

Culcheth West and Chapelforth seems to be your hot-spots at 45 and 41 respectively, Central Warrington 39 but most of the rest of the
rest of your wards being in the 20's.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

570Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 19 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 00:15

wanderlust

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@Sluffy wrote:

I'm not being nasty or negative but I think all parts of the world, let alone Norfolk has to go through this, unless in the unlikely event for Norfolk at least, some sort of vaccine becomes available to it first.

There's always going to be some who doesn't do as they should and sooner or later will catch and spread the virus on, everywhere isn't there?
You're right and as I keep saying everyone has to get it in one form or another sooner or later whether it's by transmission or vaccine if we're to get back to some form of normality that resembles the world we knew. I'd love to think that I can hang on in the sticks until a proper vaccine arrives but I'm not confident it will anytime soon so have resolved to stop dossing about and get back into my abandoned exercise regime in some form or other. Felt it at footie on Friday although I'd just had my flu jab despite reading contradictory reports that it worsens covid if you get it v it helps in some way. 
Whatever, I know it's coming for us all - although sensible behaviour slows it's progress and buys us time to find a practical way to control if not exterminate it in this Battle of the Species.

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