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571Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 09:36

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:
It's war. We Brillo's are being challenged by the soap filled pads.

The Brillo's will prevail, leaving the soap filled pads cowering behind the taps with the used tea bags. 

Blockheads indeed! Be warned Bob. I tire of your persiflage.
"What do you think of that, Lily. Accusing me of percysledge? I've never been so consulted"

572Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 10:36

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
She knows you know.

573Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 10:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Warrington always gets lumped in with Liverpool, much to my chagrin. I've cancelled anyway, it was only a check up.
Went to collect my new glasses from Specsavers yesterday, and it resembled a triage ward.

574Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 10:55

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@boltonbonce wrote:She knows you know.
"Eeh Nellie, luv, are sure you've gorrit right"

"Whadyamean 'ave I gorrit right? Course I've gorrit right"

"Well Nellie, luv, he might 'ave been talking about that singer. Yaknow, when a man loves a woman. Like that filem you went to see t'other day, Un hommy et oon femmy. I put it on't record player sometimes when Walter's asleep"

"Whadyamean, when Walter's asleep, ee's always asleep?"

"Well proper asleep. I 'ave to make sure cos you know what ee's like when his passions are aroused."

"Has he been?"

575Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 11:42

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sister Pledge.

576Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 17:21

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Covid hospital admissions, deaths and new infections are rising faster now than in March so it looks the second wave has arrived and it's going to be tougher this time around by all accounts.
Time to stock up on loo rolls and vino folks!

577Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 18:12

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Ocado have emailed me detailing the Christmas slots being released tomorrow.

578Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 18:57

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I thought Christmas had been cancelled?

579Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Mon Oct 12 2020, 19:08

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Cajunboy wrote:I thought Christmas had been cancelled?
Still got to eat. Very Happy

580Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Oct 13 2020, 12:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Vaccine trials have hit a problem. Trump's big hope ("we'll have a vaccine in place before the election") Johnson and Johnson, have suspended trials after a participant in the study developed an unknown neurological illness. AstraZeneca's trial has also been suspended since September due to similar problems.

581Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Oct 13 2020, 13:04

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:Vaccine trials have hit a problem. Trump's big hope ("we'll have a vaccine in place before the election") Johnson and Johnson, have suspended trials after a participant in the study developed an unknown neurological illness. AstraZeneca's trial has also been suspended since September due to similar problems.

Astra Zeneca's trial restarted a month ago -

Coronavirus: Oxford University to resume vaccine trial after pause

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54132066

582Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Oct 13 2020, 17:42

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Astra Zeneca's trial restarted a month ago -

Coronavirus: Oxford University to resume vaccine trial after pause

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54132066
Hadn't noticed it restarted yesterday and TBH I'm surprised they did after a second participant had neurological problems.

583Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Oct 13 2020, 19:36

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's just been confirmed that a 25 year old bloke in Nevada has become the first person on record to catch Covid twice.

So either the antibodies don't work or the virus is mutating rapidly.

584Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Tue Oct 13 2020, 23:47

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:It's just been confirmed that a 25 year old bloke in Nevada has become the first person on record to catch Covid twice.

So either the antibodies don't work or the virus is mutating rapidly.

Been reading social media again I see.

What you have written is not true.

"So far, reinfection seems to be rare - there have been only a few examples out of more than 37 million confirmed cases.

Reports in Hong Kong, Belgium and the Netherlands said they were no more serious than the first. One in Ecuador mirrored the US case in being more severe, but did not need hospital treatment.

However, it is still early into the pandemic, and the history of other types of coronavirus means protection is expected to wane".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

And if you look on this link to...

Posted at 7:32
Covid-19 reinfection

...you will find an audio interview explaining what has happened and why.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus


585Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 00:30

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Here's a great article   about Covid mutation.

Discusses identified Covid mutations to date, similarities with the original, speculates on future mutations, explains how mutations affect vaccine development, how long immunity is likely to last etc.

Sort of reassuring but there are a lot of variables in there Smile

586Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 02:04

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

Been reading social media again I see.

What you have written is not true.

"So far, reinfection seems to be rare - there have been only a few examples out of more than 37 million confirmed cases.

Reports in Hong Kong, Belgium and the Netherlands said they were no more serious than the first. One in Ecuador mirrored the US case in being more severe, but did not need hospital treatment.

However, it is still early into the pandemic, and the history of other types of coronavirus means protection is expected to wane".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

And if you look on this link to...

Posted at 7:32
Covid-19 reinfection

...you will find an audio interview explaining what has happened and why.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus


https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/europe/covid-19-dutch-woman-reinfection-death-intl/index.html

An unfortunate case today of reinfection.

587Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 14:25

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Listening to the Parliamentary debate today it seems like both sides have missed the point.
Boris wants to have a locally targeted solution, but the Tier 3 measures are inadequate and unenforceable whereas Sir Keir wants a national lockdown which would be detrimental to the economy in areas that don't need a lockdown.

588Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 16:54

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Its sad to see two mediocre politicians trying to score points from each other, and in the middle of a pandemic.

589Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 17:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Its sad to see two mediocre politicians trying to score points from each other, and in the middle of a pandemic.
Agreed but I do think the onus is on the Government to stop faffing about, come up with a coherent strategy and communicate it properly as there will be no satisfactory answer until they do. Sure Starmer can come up with questions and suggestions but ultimately he can't do anything about the situation - Boris can.
Too many people are ignoring the advice and that's largely because it's flaky advice that seems to discriminate arbitrarily e.g. why Liverpool?
If the guidance said "in areas where there are x number of new cases per y people over z amount of time, you will have to do a, b and c" then people in that area would understand it - and they may even self-regulate better if they knew their area was approaching a key milestone.
That said, to announce the daily/weekly figures in any area it would require a proper testing system such as they have elsewhere in the world.

The other aspect that is sadly lacking is any provision of enforcement capability which would be required mainly at the start until folk get the hang of it and realise their are consequences. Use the army to detain miscreants if necessary. Again folk would be far more inclined to self-regulate once they get it. Where communities play the game they will thrive.
Those simple provisions are surely not beyond the wit of the government and the cost would be more than offset by the economic benefits to the country.

Moreover the message would change from "we are doing this arbitrarily to you" to "it's up to you, people of Britain, to play the game and help ensure that others in your community do also - if you do you'll benefit"

590Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 21:15

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse



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591Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 21:16

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Agree with every bit of that Wander. Apparently Boris has always been a libertarian, and doesn't want to deprive people of their own free will. Now is not the time to be everybody's friend, its not working. We could do with somebody with a backbone right now.

I was going to say like Maggie, then thought XM would throw a wobbly, and then I thought to myself, where's XM ?

592Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Wed Oct 14 2020, 23:30

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:
I was going to say like Maggie,
Don't you start swearing at me....she sold us down the river and here we are at the coast...... Very Happy

593Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 13:47

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@gloswhite wrote:Agree with every bit of that Wander. Apparently Boris has always been a libertarian, and doesn't want to deprive people of their own free will. Now is not the time to be everybody's friend, its not working. We could do with somebody with a backbone right now.

I was going to say like Maggie, then thought XM would throw a wobbly, and then I thought to myself, where's XM ?
No need for backbone, just a PM with something between his ears would be a start.

594Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 14:00

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Boris is in a bad position due to his own doing.  They have been banging on about following the science like some sort of comfort blanket, then when it comes to the second wave and tough economic decisions, they blatantly dump the advice, that's fine and in their gift but they have to own the consequences.

Starmer by coming out for the circuit breaker is saying that he is following the science, We know that delay had a serious repercussion on the numbers in March, so it follows the same applies now , Boris in taking the decision to go for regional lockdowns has now in terms of the science wasted three weeks.

 He now can't be seen to change tack to soon so he will delay further whilst his tier plan unfolds.

If by then the numbers are out of control and if he needs to bring in a circuit breaker he will be seen once again to have got it wrong and be responsible for x number of deaths. For me Starmer played a pretty good move in terms of out manouvering the PM.

595Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 14:43

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I saw it as political point scoring. The "circuit breaker" is an absolute nonsense, it will make a minor difference if at all.

The government has got into difficulty because it's been way too soft from the start, but the reason this virus has got out of control in this country is because of the British people and their mentality.

Blame the government all you like, but people aren't following the rules. If we all followed the rules and made those sacrifices the virus would be in retreat, but instead we've got a large percentage of twats who think the rules don't apply to them.

Yes, the government has been poor, but the British people have been much, much worse. An absolute embarrassment in fact.

596Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 15:06

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I saw it as political point scoring. The "circuit breaker" is an absolute nonsense, it will make a minor difference if at all.

The government has got into difficulty because it's been way too soft from the start, but the reason this virus has got out of control in this country is because of the British people and their mentality.

Blame the government all you like, but people aren't following the rules. If we all followed the rules and made those sacrifices the virus would be in retreat, but instead we've got a large percentage of twats who think the rules don't apply to them.

Yes, the government has been poor, but the British people have been much, much worse. An absolute embarrassment in fact.

We need Natasha to take on Bozo the Clown... I mean Trump!  Her last paragraph applies across the pond as well.

597Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 15:15

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I saw it as political point scoring. The "circuit breaker" is an absolute nonsense, it will make a minor difference if at all.

The government has got into difficulty because it's been way too soft from the start, but the reason this virus has got out of control in this country is because of the British people and their mentality.

Blame the government all you like, but people aren't following the rules. If we all followed the rules and made those sacrifices the virus would be in retreat, but instead we've got a large percentage of twats who think the rules don't apply to them.

Yes, the government has been poor, but the British people have been much, much worse. An absolute embarrassment in fact.
But if the virus is out of control then surely we need a circuit breaker period?

I agree that we as a nation don't help ourselves so to my mind the circuit breaker is needed and tougher penalties need to be imposed on people who won't follow the rules.

598Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 15:27

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:But if the virus is out of control then surely we need a circuit breaker period?

I agree that we as a nation don't help ourselves so to my mind the circuit breaker is needed and tougher penalties need to be imposed on people who won't follow the rules.

A two week circuit breaker will achieve very little. It took a 3 month lockdown to get it under control earlier in the year.

Don't worry, I don't class you as one of the twats, I know Mrs Pig has insisted you wear a mask in public for years.

599Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 15:52

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

A two week circuit breaker will achieve very little. It took a 3 month lockdown to get it under control earlier in the year.

Don't worry, I don't class you as one of the twats, I know Mrs Pig has insisted you wear a mask in public for years.
it's worse than that

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600Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 20 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? on Thu Oct 15 2020, 15:54

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You're slimmer than I imagined.

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