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871Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Jun 11 2021, 10:56

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Some idiot has written on a wall near where i live that 1261 people have died from having the covid vaccine, their 2 braincells must get very lonely in that thick skull of theirs  Rolling Eyes
You should grab a spray can and put a footnote to the effect that 150000+ people have died from not having it.

872Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Jun 14 2021, 11:21

wanderlust

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873Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Mon Jun 14 2021, 13:55

Sluffy

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Thought this was interesting -

COVID SYMPTOMS HAVE CHANGED.

A headache, sore throat and runny nose are now the most commonly reported symptoms linked to Covid infection in the UK, researchers say.

Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people.

But although they may not feel very ill, they could be contagious and put others at risk.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57467051

Covid SymptoM Sudy - ZOE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID_Symptom_Study



874Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 15 2021, 12:34

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
More confused thinking from Boris who increasingly comes across as a prisoner of populism.
On the 21st June some restrictions will still be lifted including no limit on the number of wedding guests. If ever there was an excuse for a Covid spreading party, a wedding would be it.

Now he's saying that the lockdown will end completely on the 19th of July regardless - so what happened to "following the science"?
All this despite new cases rising by 45% and deaths rising by 12% in the last week.

875Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 15 2021, 13:19

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:All this despite new cases rising by 45% and deaths rising by 12% in the last week.

450 people die from a heart attack every day in the UK, with thousands more admitted to hospital.

3 Covid deaths were reported yesterday and 31 people admitted to hospital.

We have to learn to live with Covid, just as we live with heart disease and all the other things that can kill us.

876Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 15 2021, 13:35

Sluffy

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@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:All this despite new cases rising by 45% and deaths rising by 12% in the last week.

450 people die from a heart attack every day in the UK, with thousands more admitted to hospital.

3 Covid deaths were reported yesterday and 31 people admitted to hospital.

We have to learn to live with Covid, just as we live with heart disease and all the other things that can kill us.

I think we all know that and the government is just being cautious and seeing how the Indian version effects hospital beds for the next two or three weeks.

It doesn't seem at the moment to be creating such a massive demand as such in the hardest hit North west areas and if that continues to be the case I'm sure they will ease lockdown next month even if cases continue to rise - as it would seem the jabs have done enough to keep the NHS from getting swamped in cases.

The daily hospital admittance figure is not really the one to follow though, it is the total of those 'in' hospital. If say 31 people enter hospital every day and are discharged in a few days, it isn't a problem but if 31 are admitted each day and stay for a year, then it becomes one - if you see what I mean.

877Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 15 2021, 13:40

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The thing that annoys me about Boris is that he won't make a decision and actually stop anything. It's always you shouldn't go abroad and not you can't.

If he just came out and said foreign holidays were not allowed this year and people could only come in or leave the country for an absolute emergency then we would be out of lockdown now and wouldn't have an issue with the Delta variant.

878Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 15 2021, 13:48

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

450 people die from a heart attack every day in the UK, with thousands more admitted to hospital.

3 Covid deaths were reported yesterday and 31 people admitted to hospital.

We have to learn to live with Covid, just as we live with heart disease and all the other things that can kill us.
That's true (Monday reporting always low) but heart disease isn't contagious and the problem with pandemics is that if they aren't stamped on they spread exponentially and in no time we could be back to thousands of deaths per day.
By "learned to live with Covid" that means we have changed our behaviour and taken many, many precautions to keep it under control - so yes we know what we have to do - and that includes taking extra precautions when it's on the rise or a new mutation arrives.
Conversely, we've never "learned to live with" heart disease or cancer or other slower killers for that matter - we just accept the death toll and tend to assume it won't happen to us until it's too late. But Covid is quick by comparison and we know it's a threat and that we can protect ourselves against it so really they aren't comparable.

879Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Jun 18 2021, 14:24

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Thought these stats were interesting to note -

Posted at 10:09
Delta variant hospital cases double in England

A total of 806 people in England have been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of 14 June, new figures show.

This is a rise of 423 on the previous week, according to the data from Public Health England.

Of the 806 hospitalisations:

527 (65%) people were unvaccinated
135 (17%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
84 (10%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

34 (47%) were unvaccinated
10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57523149/page/2


One thing the stats don't show is the age and health profiles.

I very strongly suspect that those dying after having two jabs are the really old and vulnerable but I can't find any details to confirm that.

It does seem though that the average age of those now being hospitalised are under 60 now, and that many of those over sixty had refused to have their jabs when they should have done.

880Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jun 19 2021, 00:42

Sluffy

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Ros Atkins On… How the Delta variant took hold in the UK

Ros Atkins traces back the story of the Delta variant, from its arrival in the UK to how it became the dominant strain of Covid-19, leading to a delay in the easing of restrictions.

881Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jun 29 2021, 18:04

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Posted at 16:59
Success story Australia now a 'stunning failure' over vaccine rollout

Australia is currently seeing a spike in cases in multiple parts of the country - the first time this has happened in months.

Throughout the pandemic, the country has managed to keep case numbers low with strict border closures and lockdowns.

But Prof Tim Soutphommasane from Sydney University says Australia is lagging way behind other developed countries with the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine - and that it will be looked back on as a "stunning failure".

"Australia has been winning the war but it is at serious risk of losing the peace because other countries around the world are rapidly opening up with very well vaccinated populations, leaving Australia behind," he says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57648685


882Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 10:30

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Not been on for a few days as my Son has tested positive for Covid (his lateral flow was positive just waiting for the PCR test to be delivered) and he has been feeling ill with a high temperature and a headache.

We're all isolating till Wednesday 14th now.

883Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 10:34

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
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Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Not been on for a few days as my Son has tested positive for Covid (his lateral flow was positive just waiting for the PCR test to be delivered) and he has been feeling ill with a high temperature and a headache.

We're all isolating till Wednesday 14th now.
Hope the lad's feeling better soon. It's a bugger isn't it. So called freedom day just around the corner, and Covid's still managing to cock a snook.

884Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 10:44

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Thanks Boncey, it does feel weird as Schools are seeing a big rise in cases but restrictions are going to an end in a couple of weeks.

885Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 10:57

Sluffy

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@Norpig wrote:Not been on for a few days as my Son has tested positive for Covid (his lateral flow was positive just waiting for the PCR test to be delivered) and he has been feeling ill with a high temperature and a headache.

We're all isolating till Wednesday 14th now.

Hope your son is soon well again.

886Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 12:09

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Hope your boy is OK Mr Pig. I bet he's fine for the summer holidays  Very Happy

Am I right is thinking he will be virtually bullet-proof should it all come around again?

887Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Tue Jul 06 2021, 13:00

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Thanks Sluffy and Glos. I hope he will now have the antibodies so shouldn't get it again but who really knows?

888Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jul 08 2021, 00:13

Sluffy

Sluffy
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More than fair comment I would say.

(Bit late in the day though, don't know why he's saying it a year after it happened???).

889Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jul 08 2021, 15:58

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
My lads PCR test came back positive and now a kid in my Daughters class has also got Covid so she has to isolate till the end of next week!

890Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jul 08 2021, 16:12

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:My lads PCR test came back positive and now a kid in my Daughters class has also got Covid so she has to isolate till the end of next week!
I hope you are all ok Norpig.

This bubble thing in schools simply does not work.

My lads school is going through the same thing now where year 1 and 5 had to isolate for 10 days I think it is? Then a few days later we were all told to avoid the office as the staff there had to isolate and now once all these are now back, year 6 have to isolate.

I would have thought that once it starts to get like this then wouldn’t it have been better to simply close the whole school down as it is obviously spreading right through it.

There’s just no common sense anymore.

891Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jul 08 2021, 16:20

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
We're ok KP but me and Mrs Pig are a bit stressed by it all now. She was on the phone to track and trace for half an hour earlier and it's causing issues at work as we both work in the same department.

My lads feeling better now which is good news  Very Happy

892Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Thu Jul 08 2021, 16:37

Sluffy

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Yes hope each and everyone of you are ok Norpig.

I think the government has decided to let the virus spread like wildfire now - God knows how many would have caught it down the pubs and in their homes with their mates round last night following the England game - and it will be the same again on Sunday.

My daughter was out in London last to watch the game, so again God knows how many will catch it on the tubes and busses on their way home.

It's clear though that someone hasn't thought this through in that as it spreads - and until restrictions are lifted - more and more people like you and your family, will need to be off work and out of schools, which is starting to create massive disruptions.

I'm sure it could have been planned better but we also have to accept that a long time ago many people simply gave up following the basic rules any way!

We get what we deserve I guess.

As long as we all get through this safely is the main thing now.

893Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Fri Jul 09 2021, 17:20

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You must be beyond pissed off after the amount of times you have had to isolate and take tests.

894Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 10 2021, 03:29

Sluffy

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Ros Atkins on… England’s Covid gamble

Ros Atkins looks at the UK government’s plan to lift Covid restrictions in England.

895Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 10 2021, 18:43

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Rumours going around that Johnson will impose another lockdown after the Euros and Wimbledon, anarchy will break out if this is the case, using the Country as guinea pigs to enhance his popularity.

896Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 10 2021, 21:22

Sluffy

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@MartinBWFC wrote:Rumours going around that Johnson will impose another lockdown after the Euros and Wimbledon, anarchy will break out if this is the case, using the Country as guinea pigs to enhance his popularity.

Don't believe all you read on social media Martin - in fact don't believe most of it!

I don't know if you bothered to watch the BBC analysis video a post or two back but if you had you would have heard the analysist say that Johnson can no longer command a majority to win a further parliamentary vote on extending the lockdown and unless something horrific in hospital admissions between now and then, then lockdown will go ahead a week on Monday.

They might impose a few rules longer such as wearing masks inside enclosed public areas but I doubt many will be fussed about that - they certainly do what they please anyway now, around where I live.

Get your jabs (if you've not already had them) and lay low for the next couple of months would be my advise - but I doubt many will.

Keep safe anyway.

Bit of a bad do in Haiti btw - hope your family are ok if they are still out over there.

897Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 10 2021, 21:30

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Sluffy wrote:
Don't believe all you read on social media Martin - in fact don't believe most of it!

I don't know if you bothered to watch the BBC analysis video a post or two back but if you had you would have heard the analysist say that Johnson can no longer command a majority to win a further parliamentary vote on extending the lockdown and unless something horrific in hospital admissions between now and then, then lockdown will go ahead a week on Monday.

They might impose a few rules longer such as wearing masks inside enclosed public areas but I doubt many will be fussed about that - they certainly do what they please anyway now, around where I live.

Get your jabs (if you've not already had them) and lay low for the next couple of months would be my advise - but I doubt many will.

Keep safe anyway.

Bit of a bad do in Haiti btw - hope your family are ok if they are still out over there.

Had both jabs, and will still wear a mask either way, but I can see a big rise in infections coming in the next few weeks, and thanks for the concern re family, but my family are in the relative safety of the Dominican Republic thankfully.

898Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 10 2021, 22:22

Sluffy

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@MartinBWFC wrote:Had both jabs, and will still wear a mask either way, but I can see a big rise in infections coming in the next few weeks, and thanks for the concern re family, but my family are in the relative safety of the Dominican Republic thankfully.

I'm pleased your family is safe and sound.

I know Haiti and Dominican Republic share the same island but I didn't know if it faced the same sort of political unrest and killings as clearly Haiti does.

All a bit of a rum do, reminds me of Mad Mike Hoare and the film loosely based on his life, The Wild Geese -

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wild_Geese

And yes Covid cases will shoot up, I don't think there's much doubt about that.

I think most folk will be fine - it's a bit of tough titty to those who end up in hospital now - survival of the fittest and all that.

Thing is though I'm no longer one of the fittest (and if iirc didn't you have a bit of a health scare yourself some time back?) so look after yourself as well mate and keep away from the crowds the best you can like I intend to do until things settle down to something like normal again.

899Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sun Jul 11 2021, 16:22

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
No Sluffy the two Countries have very different governing bodies, Haiti is more of a dictatorship, whereas The Dominican is a democratic nation, a free and safe place to live.

Yes you're right I did have a scare 6 years ago having had a heart attack, but I have lived like a recluse for the last 2 years, and now I just feel I need to break out, keep safe to you and all nutters

900Coronavirus - will we survive? - Page 30 Empty Re: Coronavirus - will we survive? Sat Jul 17 2021, 11:55

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The Norpig family are now out of isolation thank God! Not been on much this last couple of weeks as work has been horrendous. They had me working from home last week and actually sent home my pc from work to use at home!

We were meant to be going to Prestatyn next Monday but cancelled it as Haven are only letting people book the evening entertainment venue for 1 night of your 7 day stay! So fed up of covid now!

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