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961How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 17:18

Sluffy

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I don't usually follow stuff much on twitter apart mainly from BWFC or other major sporting events but this tweet caught my eye and gave me a chuckle!

Fwiw I've not even bothered to watch the tweet - it was just the comment that made me laugh!

962How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 17:53

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
'Far left loonies'? Pretty rich coming from Guido.

963How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 20:30

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Sorry Sluffy, but you really are an arrogant sod.
I was, and am I suppose, a strong Tory voter, however, this current party is in no way upholding the Tory principles or ideals that are in any way complimentary to the history of the Party.
I also believe you have gone down the same road as a lot of the press, believing it to be acceptable to not just disagree with people on your forum, but to continue to harangue them at every opportunity, quite often on what appears to be a whim, sometimes because you just don't agree with them.
God help us if you manage to take control of an even bigger media outlet.
Nothing personal, but I don't like being dismissed out of hand, and spoken down to.

964How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 20:50

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Sorry Sluffy, but you really are an arrogant sod.
I was, and am I suppose, a strong Tory voter, however, this current party is in no way upholding the Tory principles or ideals that are in any way complimentary to the history of the Party.
I also believe you have gone down the same road as a lot of the press, believing it to be acceptable to not just disagree with people on your forum, but to continue to harangue them at every opportunity, quite often on what appears to be a whim, sometimes because you just don't agree with them.
God help us if you manage to take control of an even bigger media outlet.
Nothing personal, but I don't like being dismissed out of hand, and spoken down to.
I think both main parties are at a bit of a crossroads, and I'm worried for both. I had, still have, Tory friends, and although I've had, many times, to question a lot of their policy ideas, I've never once had to question their integrity. We'd go at it full pelt over a couple of beers, but always ended the evening with a laugh, usually about my dress sense. They were/are on the wrong side politically, but I consider them all bloody good eggs, who want, like me, the best for the country. 
I'm seeing a lot of bad eggs at the moment, and both parties need, as Bob might say, 'to get their thinking heads on'.
Too much hate, too much twitter, too much posturing. We should be better than that.

965How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 21:25

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@gloswhite wrote:Sorry Sluffy, but you really are an arrogant sod.
I was, and am I suppose, a strong Tory voter, however, this current party is in no way upholding the Tory principles or ideals that are in any way complimentary to the history of the Party.
I also believe you have gone down the same road as a lot of the press, believing it to be acceptable to not just disagree with people on your forum, but to continue to harangue them at every opportunity, quite often on what appears to be a whim, sometimes because you just don't agree with them.
God help us if you manage to take control of an even bigger media outlet.
Nothing personal, but I don't like being dismissed out of hand, and spoken down to.

Sorry Glos, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about???

What bigger media outlet am I looking to manage?

Why do the press believe it to be acceptable for me to disagree with people on a forum?

What people am I apparently supposed to be haranguing on a whim???

If posting facts makes someone an "arrogant sod", then I must be one then - because that's all that I basically do.

Fwiw I've strongly suspect for a number of years that you are being wound up by others to get incensed about me and vent your spleen - whilst they laugh at you and the trouble it causes - but that's your naivety and problem if they are, not mine.

At the end of the day this is an internet site, and I would take with a very large pinch of salt what anyone says on it (or from it, if they contact you by other means!) and that includes me.

I am not a troll or a keyboard warrior, and I consistently tell the truth and play fair with everyone (even those I know with their own little internet grudges they carry against me) - but even then I'd prefer you or anyone else not to take my words at face value and check them out yourself first - because if you take my words at face value then you will be taking other peoples words at face value and its quite apparent on here that not everyone always speaks the truth.

This site is a piddly little social media forum, it has what, twenty people at the most who one can be seen as regular posters - it was set up as a bit of fun and not meant to be taken too seriously - but some folks idea of fun is to play and manipulate others.

If you think (or others have put in your mind) that I'm the bad guy on here, then that's up to you if you choose to believe that.

And if you consider this and my previous posts to be talking down to you then I'm sorry you see it that way because all I'm doing is telling it like it is.

Anyway I do hope you are in good health and that you and yours stay safe.

That after all is real life and what goes on, on here most definitely isn't - and should be treated as such - and not get all needlessly worked up about.



966How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 21:58

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:I think both main parties are at a bit of a crossroads, and I'm worried for both. I had, still have, Tory friends, and although I've had, many times, to question a lot of their policy ideas, I've never once had to question their integrity. We'd go at it full pelt over a couple of beers, but always ended the evening with a laugh, usually about my dress sense. They were/are on the wrong side politically, but I consider them all bloody good eggs, who want, like me, the best for the country. 
I'm seeing a lot of bad eggs at the moment, and both parties need, as Bob might say, 'to get their thinking heads on'.
Too much hate, too much twitter, too much posturing. We should be better than that.

Well said Bonce.

It's refreshing to see someone post anything about politics on here in a rational and sensible manner and not suckered in to the nonsensical bullshit that people believe from reading social media.

Unfortunately the world has changed from our days and mass manipulation and political propaganda is now openly done on social media and the majority of people buy into it without a second thought because it is reinforcing what they want to believe whether their politics are to the left or right of centre.

Even my own daughter was telling me the other day of Tory sleaze and corruption yet couldn't answer me when I asked the simple question of what specific cases do you know where this has happened?

It's how society works these days - people are too busy/lazy/trusting/stupid/uneducated/naive/blinkered/biased/prejudiced/want to be part of the crowd/or whatever it is they are, and simply believe what is said on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram or whatever it is they go on these days.

As I've said many times on here before, there are only two rules in politics, 1 - to gain power and 2 - to keep hold of it thereafter.

If you just keep those two rules in your head it will explain nearly everything you see happening in politics - both on an individual level (Boris - a pro EU politician, leading the 'Leave' campaign to better position himself with the Conservative Eurosceptic MP's for an intended later tilt at leading the Conservative party - and Burnham raising his profile by defying the local lockdown in Manchester, in order to better position himself as a future Labour leader) and also on a national basis (the Conservatives pumping money into the northern seats they won to hopefully influence the residents to continue voting Tory at the next election - and Labour pushing the sleaze and cronyism angle to make people believe "industrial scale" corruption is happening at that voters will not vote Conservative because of this in the future.

It's all a big game really and they are all as bad as each other in my book and that's why I don't support any party and try to put people right on here when clearly they believe any old bollocks as long as it supports the party they do and pisses on the party they don't!

Politics isn't about what's best for the country, politics is all about obtaining power and holding on to it.

967How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 22:18

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
As Cummings said today concerning the antics a few days after the election. 'It's politics'.

Sadly, for us, it is.

968How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 22:59

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@Sluffy wrote:

Sorry Glos, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about???

What bigger media outlet am I looking to manage?

Why do the press believe it to be acceptable for me to disagree with people on a forum?

What people am I apparently supposed to be haranguing on a whim???

If posting facts makes someone an "arrogant sod", then I must be one then - because that's all that I basically do.

Fwiw I've strongly suspect for a number of years that you are being wound up by others to get incensed about me and vent your spleen - whilst they laugh at you and the trouble it causes - but that's your naivety and problem if they are, not mine.

At the end of the day this is an internet site, and I would take with a very large pinch of salt what anyone says on it (or from it, if they contact you by other means!) and that includes me.

I am not a troll or a keyboard warrior, and I consistently tell the truth and play fair with everyone (even those I know with their own little internet grudges they carry against me) - but even then I'd prefer you or anyone else not to take my words at face value and check them out yourself first - because if you take my words at face value then you will be taking other peoples words at face value and its quite apparent on here that not everyone always speaks the truth.

This site is a piddly little social media forum, it has what, twenty people at the most who one can be seen as regular posters - it was set up as a bit of fun and not meant to be taken too seriously - but some folks idea of fun is to play and manipulate others.

If you think (or others have put in your mind) that I'm the bad guy on here, then that's up to you if you choose to believe that.

And if you consider this and my previous posts to be talking down to you then I'm sorry you see it that way because all I'm doing is telling it like it is.

Anyway I do hope you are in good health and that you and yours stay safe.

That after all is real life and what goes on, on here most definitely isn't - and should be treated as such - and not get all needlessly worked up about.



You're doing it again Sluffy. Talking down to me, trying to make out I don't have a mind of my own, all because I don't agree with your views. 
Nobody is influencing me, and I find that rather offensive that you say so, especially in such a condescending way.
 Lets agree to nip this in the bud, and we'll both keep our views to ourselves, especially as your immediate response to most comments seems to be to go on the attack.
And just as I was just starting to use the forum more.  Crying or Very sad

969How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 23:15

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Keep at it Glos. You're one of the good eggs. And stamped, I might add, with the little lion.

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970How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 23:24

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@y2johnny wrote:Just going out on a limb here, but what I get from HPs Post is that although all this scandal and stuff goes on with this shit show called the tory party, people are still voting for them.  All the scandal or whatever gets brushed under the carpet by a lot of media outlets so some people either don't understand it, choose to ignore it, or you get others who are just pig ignorant and think Boris is a cheeky chappy who shags about a bit.


Cheers Johnny, I couldn't have summarised what I said any better myself. Smile

I'm sure it was clear and obvious to anyone else who read it and was no big deal anyway.  ..dunno..

971How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 23:34

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Had to laugh looking back at this headline in The Telegraph in 2019.

'It's time critics saw Boris for the Churchillian figure he is'.

972How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 23:36

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@gloswhite wrote:You're doing it again Sluffy. Talking down to me, trying to make out I don't have a mind of my own, all because I don't agree with your views. 
Nobody is influencing me, and I find that rather offensive that you say so, especially in such a condescending way.
 Lets agree to nip this in the bud, and we'll both keep our views to ourselves, especially as your immediate response to most comments seems to be to go on the attack.
And just as I was just starting to use the forum more.  Crying or Very sad

I couldn't care less about anybody agreeing with me on social media - it is all absolutely meaningless when all said and done.

Neither do I take seriously anything said or done on it - why would I?  

Why would anyone...?

...but many folks do!

Perhaps I'm a bit blunt in how I word things, maybe some are oversensitive to what I write but if you perceive me as an arrogant, condescending, attacking, talking down to people and haranguing type sod (all of which you tell me I am in your last two posts to me on this thread!) then that's your prerogative.

I'm actually am non of those but I won't lose any sleep over you thinking that I am.

Keep safe whether you decide to continue to return to post on here more frequently or not.

Hope you do though.

973How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Jul 20 2021, 23:44

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's a funny old world. The last time I heard from Breadman, he was intending to join the LibDem Party.

Don't know if he went through with it, but who'd have thunk it.

974How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 00:16

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@gloswhite wrote:You're doing it again Sluffy. Talking down to me, trying to make out I don't have a mind of my own, all because I don't agree with your views. 
Nobody is influencing me, and I find that rather offensive that you say so, especially in such a condescending way.
 Lets agree to nip this in the bud, and we'll both keep our views to ourselves, especially as your immediate response to most comments seems to be to go on the attack.
And just as I was just starting to use the forum more.  Crying or Very sad


So it's not just me then.   Surprised

975How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 00:28

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@gloswhite wrote:Sorry Sluffy, but you really are an arrogant sod.
I was, and am I suppose, a strong Tory voter, however, this current party is in no way upholding the Tory principles or ideals that are in any way complimentary to the history of the Party.
I also believe you have gone down the same road as a lot of the press, believing it to be acceptable to not just disagree with people on your forum, but to continue to harangue them at every opportunity, quite often on what appears to be a whim, sometimes because you just don't agree with them.
God help us if you manage to take control of an even bigger media outlet.
Nothing personal, but I don't like being dismissed out of hand, and spoken down to.

:agree: :clap:

976How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 11:17

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Presuming that we would include lying and breaking the law as examples of corrupt practices, then let's start with that £350 million a week for the NHS, breaking lockdown rules and the attempts to prorogue parliament. Plenty more daily!

977How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 13:20

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

978How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 22:07

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Sluffy, fair response. We'll carry on as before, but remember others are sometimes right, especially me  Laughing

979How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Jul 21 2021, 22:36

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@gloswhite wrote:Sluffy, fair response. We'll carry on as before, but remember others are sometimes right, especially me  Laughing

:like: :drinks:

980How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Jul 22 2021, 15:31

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Sluffy wrote:

Well said Bonce.

It's refreshing to see someone post anything about politics on here in a rational and sensible manner and not suckered in to the nonsensical bullshit that people believe from reading social media.

Unfortunately the world has changed from our days and mass manipulation and political propaganda is now openly done on social media and the majority of people buy into it without a second thought because it is reinforcing what they want to believe whether their politics are to the left or right of centre.

Even my own daughter was telling me the other day of Tory sleaze and corruption yet couldn't answer me when I asked the simple question of what specific cases do you know where this has happened?

It's how society works these days - people are too busy/lazy/trusting/stupid/uneducated/naive/blinkered/biased/prejudiced/want to be part of the crowd/or whatever it is they are, and simply believe what is said on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram or whatever it is they go on these days.

As I've said many times on here before, there are only two rules in politics, 1 - to gain power and 2 - to keep hold of it thereafter.

If you just keep those two rules in your head it will explain nearly everything you see happening in politics - both on an individual level (Boris - a pro EU politician, leading the 'Leave' campaign to better position himself with the Conservative Eurosceptic MP's for an intended later tilt at leading the Conservative party - and Burnham raising his profile by defying the local lockdown in Manchester, in order to better position himself as a future Labour leader) and also on a national basis (the Conservatives pumping money into the northern seats they won to hopefully influence the residents to continue voting Tory at the next election - and Labour pushing the sleaze and cronyism angle to make people believe "industrial scale" corruption is happening at that voters will not vote Conservative because of this in the future.

It's all a big game really and they are all as bad as each other in my book and that's why I don't support any party and try to put people right on here when clearly they believe any old bollocks as long as it supports the party they do and pisses on the party they don't!

Politics isn't about what's best for the country, politics is all about obtaining power and holding on to it.
Now I remember why I avoid reading your posts! It was only because it was in reply to Bonce that I foolishly carried on reading. Breath-takingly misguided and overbearing.... I won't be drawn in again.

981How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Jul 22 2021, 15:44

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The Tories remind me of that thing I put in the pedal bin. Is it that that's starting to smell? Have I stood in something? Can't see anything on my boots. But that smell. Where is it coming from?
Can anyone else smell it? No? 
Probably all in my head. Maybe some air freshener would help.
Still there.

982How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Jul 22 2021, 15:58

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:Now I remember why I avoid reading your posts! It was only because it was in reply to Bonce that I foolishly carried on reading. Breath-takingly misguided and overbearing.... I won't be drawn in again.

Hahaha!

Are you getting frustrated that I've been ignoring all your on going attempts to troll me for a reaction like this recent attempt?

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t22757-the-site#428417

If you really are a genuine 'well being' councillor of ten years standing (as you claim to be!) then why have you got a perpetual bee in your bonnet over me for the last year or three?

I believe you to be a real 'well being' councillor as much as I claim to be the Shah of Persia!

And I'm definitely not the Shah of anything!

So stop playing your games and let the site continue to heal.

It's as easy as that.

And what everybody apart from yourself (and possibly Hip Priest?) wants.

Have a nice day.

983How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Jul 22 2021, 16:12

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@boltonbonce wrote:The Tories remind me of that thing I put in the pedal bin. Is it that that's starting to smell? Have I stood in something? Can't see anything on my boots. But that smell. Where is it coming from?
Can anyone else smell it? No? 
Probably all in my head. Maybe some air freshener would help.
Still there.

No smell ever coming from the Labour Party then?

I think you find it does - it's just that they aren't in the spotlight right now.

Politics is simply about taking and holding power - and you know what they say about power, don't you...


They are all as bad as each other if truth be told.

And I'm talking about the world over, not just here.

Some are better than others but if Jesus asked them if those without sin to cast the first stone, then there wouldn't be many stones flying about!

984How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Jul 22 2021, 16:54

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

No smell ever coming from the Labour Party then?

I think you find it does - it's just that they aren't in the spotlight right now.

Politics is simply about taking and then holding on to power - and you know what they say about power, don't you...


They are all as bad as each other if truth be told.

And I'm talking about the world over, not just here.

Some are better than others but if Jesus asked them if those without sin to cast the first stone, then there wouldn't be many stones flying about!
With Labour, you can see where the smell is coming from. Although it doesn't really help.

985How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Jul 23 2021, 01:58

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Sluffy wrote:

Hahaha!

Are you getting frustrated that I've been ignoring all your on going attempts to troll me for a reaction like this recent attempt?

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t22757-the-site#428417

If you really are a genuine 'well being' councillor of ten years standing (as you claim to be!) then why have you got a perpetual bee in your bonnet over me for the last year or three?

I believe you to be a real 'well being' councillor as much as I claim to be the Shah of Persia!

And I'm definitely not the Shah of anything!

So stop playing your games and let the site continue to heal.

It's as easy as that.

And what everybody apart from yourself (and possibly Hip Priest?) wants.

Have a nice day.

Sluffy you talk about letting the site continue to heal but almost every poster on here knows that the one person preventing it from healing is yourself.

Please believe me, nobody on here is playing games with you, least of all Okocha or myself.
Nobody is trying to wind you up, quite the opposite if anything, because you just come down like a ton of bricks on anyone that has a different point of view from yours.

Almost every poster on here has at one time or another tried to make you aware of this. None have succeeded and quite a few posters have left the site as a result. I realise that you may feel people are having a go at you but if you keep launching into someone with put downs and personal insults they will eventually have a go back.

As you say, forums are for lively discussion, but nobody appreciates being insulted, goaded or told how to think.

986How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Jul 23 2021, 03:16

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Hip Priest wrote:Sluffy you talk about letting the site continue to heal but almost every poster on here knows that the one person preventing it from healing is yourself.

Please believe me, nobody on here is playing games with you, least of all Okocha or myself.
Nobody is trying to wind you up, quite the opposite if anything, because you just come down like a ton of bricks on anyone that has a different point of view from yours.

Almost every poster on here has at one time or another tried to make you aware of this. None have succeeded and quite a few posters have left the site as a result. I realise that you may feel people are having a go at you but if you keep launching into someone with put downs and personal insults they will eventually have a go back.

As you say, forums are for lively discussion, but nobody appreciates being insulted, goaded or told how to think.

Ha ha very funny!

Look back over your last six or seven posts - every one of them is either insulting me, goading me or telling me how to think!!!

Mate, it really doesn't bother me.

I reckon that most people have slowly got to see what has been going on now - clearly you haven't - but I believe the tide has now turned and completely unsolicited and unnecessary posts like the one I linked to above from the okocha account - to purposely rake up the past - even when Karly a completely independent mod had previously told them to stop doing so, shows what their aim really is - which is to deliberately and specifically seek some sort of a reaction from me and stir all the shit up yet again!

I think it is telling that not one single person reacted to that post hence the following one earlier today (yesterday now), trying desperately to get a bite from me!

I'm not surprised either that you are the only one who has responded even though the post has been up all day and plenty of people have seen and read it.

Everybody is sick to death of the deliberately contrived arguments/trolling that has been going on, on here - it really is time to move on.

As for losing posters off here, the only genuine one to go was Wanderlust and I requested him six times to stop what he was doing before I showed him the door - it really would never have stopped if I hadn't.

We are slowly beginning to heal now, people have willing and eagerly chipped in over £50 to make the site look better for everyone - people are beginning to look forward again and no longer dread coming on here - and that is because the trolling had finally stopped.

I know my words will probably fall on your deaf ears and you can only see things the one way - with me being the problem - but give it a go pretend if you like that I'm not the baddie you believe me to be!

What have you got to lose if you did we could all gain by finally putting an end to the shit that has been going on for so long and finally get back to a more friendlier and happier forum for everyone?

Go on - give it a go eh?

987How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Jul 23 2021, 10:31

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Hip Priest wrote:

Sluffy you talk about letting the site continue to heal but almost every poster on here knows that the one person preventing it from healing is yourself.

Please believe me, nobody on here is playing games with you, least of all Okocha or myself.
Nobody is trying to wind you up, quite the opposite if anything, because you just come down like a ton of bricks on anyone that has a different point of view from yours.

Almost every poster on here has at one time or another tried to make you aware of this. None have succeeded and quite a few posters have left the site as a result. I realise that you may feel people are having a go at you but if you keep launching into someone with put downs and personal insults they will eventually have a go back.

As you say, forums are for lively discussion, but nobody appreciates being insulted, goaded or told how to think.
Thank you, HP. 

I am happy to let the site heal and have tried to do so by declining to read any of Sluffy's posts which are transparently aggressive and now sneering towards me and others who politely point out his foibles.

He has basically called me a liar (about my work).  I feel I should reply. His insults and accusations have gone too far.

 I worked for many years as Head of English and Head of Year at a delightful private school. I eventually retired slightly early (when Gove wrecked the English syllabus!) to concentrate on my other postgraduate qualifications as a Stress Management consultant, using autogenic training as the principal tool to help groups in weekly adult education classes and individuals with more complex issues in my private practice. 

I love sport, have played at a reasonably high level, and enjoy reading news and views about BWFC on Nuts. Sadly, I was accused of being "fake" almost from day one, which is why I sympathise with Hip Priest and Xmiles who have resented similar treatment. Efforts to reason with the moderation of the site have not been met with positive response, but I have swallowed any ill-feelings (until provoked!) and happily continued to use the site.

Please excuse me for having used my perception of some Nuts posters as the basis for interesting characters in the novel I'm writing.
I have a wife, children and lots of friends around the country who also support the Whites, and so will continue to devote time to Nuts.

Thanks to everyone who has made membership interesting, fun and thought-provoking.

988How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Jul 23 2021, 14:01

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:Thank you, HP. 

I am happy to let the site heal and have tried to do so by declining to read any of Sluffy's posts which are transparently aggressive and now sneering towards me and others who politely point out his foibles.

He has basically called me a liar (about my work).  I feel I should reply. His insults and accusations have gone too far.

 I worked for many years as Head of English and Head of Year at a delightful private school. I eventually retired slightly early (when Gove wrecked the English syllabus!) to concentrate on my other postgraduate qualifications as a Stress Management consultant, using autogenic training as the principal tool to help groups in weekly adult education classes and individuals with more complex issues in my private practice. 

I love sport, have played at a reasonably high level, and enjoy reading news and views about BWFC on Nuts. Sadly, I was accused of being "fake" almost from day one, which is why I sympathise with Hip Priest and Xmiles who have resented similar treatment. Efforts to reason with the moderation of the site have not been met with positive response, but I have swallowed any ill-feelings (until provoked!) and happily continued to use the site.

Please excuse me for having used my perception of some Nuts posters as the basis for interesting characters in the novel I'm writing.
I have a wife, children and lots of friends around the country who also support the Whites, and so will continue to devote time to Nuts.

Thanks to everyone who has made membership interesting, fun and thought-provoking.

Right you've had your say, I'm sure everyone believes every word of it, it is after all on the internet so it must be true...

Fwiw this is what Karly said directly to you FOUR MONTHS AGO...

@karlypants wrote:I can’t believe we are going through all this bloody shit again. 

This is getting to be trolling in all fairness.

If you were serious about this issue then why did you not PM Sluffy directly? Is it because you wanted to create all this drama to amuse yourself?

You really need to pack it in!

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t20957p750-vince-watch#423703

This is you 'promising' never to mention it again...

@okocha wrote:Agreed, Sluffy.  Truce on all sides to be never mentioned again! Virtually, shake on this promise!

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t20957p750-vince-watch#423707

Yet here you are again deliberately attempting to stir up all the shit once more just TWO DAYS AGO...

@okocha wrote:Apologies for going over old ground here, but Xmiles was an excellent, regular contributor to the site.....intelligent, fair-minded, interesting, principled.... yet he was wrongly accused of being a "fake poster" which infuriated him to the point where he gave up arguing that the accusation was completely unfounded and untrue....... and, in any case, it should not have mattered either way!

Losing his input was completely unnecessary but, quite understandably for someone so principled, he felt hounded and harassed to the point where he had no option but to resign.

Other good Nuts members have also left this year, all while our chief mod goes out of his way to deign to educate us at length and Tenbob sneers at us "twerps".....

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t22757-the-site#428417


Whilst I'm at it I might as well throw this in too!

Here is you telling us about Autogenic Training...

@okocha wrote:Sluffy does mention one useful thing.....exercise.

Autogenic Training delivered professionally will also help your body and mental state fight stress, to target the specific problem. (It does not include massage, and definitely not deep breathing which should be avoided.)

If you do go down this route. Norpig, make sure your practitioner is fully qualified and not some amateur psychologist.

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t21936p150-new-year-new-norpig#423824

...and you telling us telling us you are a fully qualified and successful practioner...

@okocha wrote:No digs intended, Sluffy.  As a fully qualified and successful practitioner for over 20 years, I was simply trying to help Norpig remotely, and acknowledged that your idea of exercise was a good one, as are many of KP's suggestions, like finding time for walking and appreciating nature.

I was pointing out that deep breathing is not recommended. Massage was not mentioned by me and the interpretation of positive thought processes as "happy thoughts" is misguided.

What is important is being able to alleviate the problems caused by external causes of stress through relaxation techniques so that the immune system can function properly. Body and mind are inter-dependent.

If confident that approaching a boss or other member of staff will get a sympathetic response, then of course that would be beneficial.

https://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t21936p180-new-year-new-norpig#423836

...you even tell us you have a post grad degree in your post today - very impressive...

@okocha wrote:...I eventually retired slightly early (when Gove wrecked the English syllabus!) to concentrate on my other postgraduate qualifications as a Stress Management consultant, using autogenic training as the principal tool to help groups in weekly adult education classes and individuals with more complex issues in my private practice.

...so with all these 'twenty years' of experience, being so highly qualified with your post grad degree and being such a 'successful practitioner' helping groups and individuals with more 'complex issues' as you state, why have you any issues with me or anyone else for that matter?

I'm just a completely random poster off the internet?

There is far, far worse people than me out there.  I really am just a big docile, old pussycat compared to most who vent their spleens on social media!

You have all these years of skills, knowledge, experience and success (or so you claim) but you can't seem to use them to keep thinking happy thoughts and take a few deep breaths or whatever it is your years of training and experience tells you to do in respect to little old me - and lets face it, I'm just words on the ether just like billions of others around the world who post on social media!

Something does fit right here does it?

If you really are what you claim to be then you should know full well how to deal with me and reacting to me by posting up your little pops at me and stirring up others, certainly isn't it - is it?

I believe you to be a troll playing games, if others believe you to be what you claim to be that's up to them but I point out that you've 'promised' before to stop all this and you haven't and you claim to have all these skills yet you even say this in your post above...

@okocha wrote:"...I have swallowed any ill-feelings (until provoked!)..."

...twenty years being a successful practitioner dealing with folk with 'complex' issues and you still get 'provoked' by something said on the internet by someone you don't even know from Adam and you harbour 'ill-feelings from that'????

Yeah right...very skilled and professional of you...

It has got to stop once and for all.

We are not going back to how the site has been - I trust that is clear and understood by all now.

989How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Jul 24 2021, 01:45

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Firstly, please feel free to ban me, I really don't give a shiny one anymore.
That last post of yours to Okocha is absolutely disgraceful.
The other admin people on this site should at the very minimum be issuing you with a warning if not a ban.
You say we are not going back to how the site has been. Over the course of this single thread alone SIX different posters have had cause to speak to you regarding the aggressive and sneering way you have responded to them. (Glos, Troy, Okocha, Myself, Wander and even LPP told you your continuous arguing would cause the site to lose posters.
If you start speaking to people in a civil way they will respond in kind and you will find that people no longer take random pops at you (myself included I know). Genuine peace will break out and the site will definitely prosper.
Why not give it a try.

990How is the Tory government doing? - Page 33 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Jul 24 2021, 08:41

Ten Bobsworth


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Hip Priest wrote:Firstly, please feel free to ban me, I really don't give a shiny one anymore.
That last post of yours to Okocha is absolutely disgraceful.
The other admin people on this site should at the very minimum be issuing you with a warning if not a ban.
You say we are not going back to how the site has been. Over the course of this single thread alone SIX different posters have had cause to speak to you regarding the aggressive and sneering way you have responded to them. (Glos, Troy, Okocha, Myself, Wander and even LPP told you your continuous arguing would cause the site to lose posters.
If you start speaking to people in a civil way they will respond in kind and you will find that people no longer take random pops at you (myself included I know). Genuine peace will break out and the site will definitely prosper.
Why not give it a try.

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