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Latest BWFC Accounts - Year ended 30th June, 2020

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Sluffy

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Thanks Bob.

I don't understand people like Biggish Dave, why would he tell people he is an accountant, then tell people he's happy not to look at the books even though he could understand them???

I would have stuck my nose in them as soon as they were made available (in fact I did) simply because I am interested on a number of levels (fan of the club and professional interest) and also I enjoy a good puzzle - and frankly I can't work out why FV have bought us?

There most be some plan but I certainly can't work out what it is?

It seems Bob, and please correct me if I am wrong, that FV actually paid something like £29.5m for everything.

The hotel seems to have been bought for £7.5m, in which case the stadium and everything else cost £22m.

The figure banded about in the press of £17.5m for the sale was misleading, in that that sum was the remainder of the sale price once Administration costs of running the club (and their fees(?)) were removed.

In fact you could look at it in reverse, in that in order to buy everything they had to settle the secured creditors (100p in the £), unsecured creditors (30p in the £) and then the full Administration costs and fees.

It seems to me that if the assets in 2017 stood at £37m and FV purchased them for £29.5m a couple of years later, then it looks somewhat reasonable that they have in fact paid a fair price for them.

However I know start to become confused again!

If the asset amounted to £37m and only £17.5m had secured creditors, then why wasn't Ken Anderson's secured creditor status of £5m not paid out due to insufficient funds?

To answer my own question I assume that was because FV paid a fair price for the assets of £29.5m and once the Administration costs were settled first and secured creditors in priority order next, then there was simply nothing left to pay KA with.

In fact I guess that's not quite the case in that there was the £3.5m paid that would settle the unsecured creditors - but that would have triggered another points penalty (20 I think?) and that would have been a deal breaker for FV presumably?

Anyway we are where we are.

It's beginning to look to me that the £29.5m paid (if that what the agreed sale price is) isn't as bad as I first thought in that FV have purchased something like £30m of fixed assets for their money.

Obviously they need to pay for them as it seems all the assets are probably fully leveraged now but in theory (I know theory and practice can be two completely different things!) they can sell the assets and get their £29.5m purchase price paid back.

I know there's more to it all than that but I guess Sharon has bought a £30m 'house' (if you think about it that way) and can always resell it (hopefully for £30m or more!) in the future.

Of course the running costs will be on top of the purchase price (and she/FV has to settle with the creditors when the time comes) but as you have said from the beginning she as acquired a great deal of assets with a rather minimal outlay - so far!

I still can see the master plan but at least I feel I have a bit better understanding of how much was paid to the Administrators and for what.

I'm interested to see what your solution to the £8m purchase of intellectual property is though!

Thanks again.

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Why pay £28.5million (£16.0m+£12.5m) for a business that's done nothing but lose money for years and is destined to continue losing money, Sluffy? We didn't really know the figure was £28.5million until FV finally let the figures out and its still not clear how the £28.5million was arrived at though we now know what its been booked down as.

And how you can say that intellectual property is worth £10million and will last fifty years? Maybe someone on Twitter could ask Kieran Maguire to explain it all.  ..dunno.. 

I don't suppose anyone asked him on LOV.

I expect to be busy over the next couple of days and we are still waiting to see the hotel accounts. They should be up today and then it will be a matter of pouring over it all (including the two administrators statements) to try to see how the £8million paid out might have been arrived at. It does seem high.

Then, of course, there's the small matter of where FV are going to find the money to repay the debts.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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I guess (apart from the £3.5m unsecured creditors) they don't actually have to repay the debts and just keep servicing them instead - but that is with the agreement of the creditors and comes with interest charges.

I certainly have no idea why FV wanted to buy for £28.5m loss making company - I've constantly said I've no idea about that.  My original best guess was to develop the land (build a hotel extension perhaps?) but clearly that hasn't happened.

The next best guess after that was to turn the business around and sell it - but I can't see any vibes of that happening any time soon.

I've been wondering recently if there was some sort of bigger picture to all this, where investors are putting money into the club and somehow claiming it back as a tax loss - but I think I'm getting into the realms of fantasy with that line of thinking.

Maybe the reason is what Sharon claims in that she simply wants to own a football club and run it in the way she wants with her own money?

I just don't buy it though - unless she has very big personal backers behind her willing to fund her dream?

Anyway we are where we are, FV have seemingly paid £28.5m for ownership of everything (it seems to tie in with the blurred figure I couldn't fully make out on the hotel Admin's report?).

I'm a little bit surprised with your breakdown of cost at £12.5m for the hotel.  I would have thought it would have been just the £7.5m paid by FV as I read the Administrators Receipts and Payments account (p24 of 35) for the hotel to include Administrators fees, and £350k trading deficit for the period 14/5/19 to 6/4/21 in that total paid and not additional to it?  Maybe I'm not understanding something though?

Not that it matters anyway as it is the overall total that really counts.

As for Maguire, I think he is fully capable of reading the accounts like you have (and certainly see things that didn't seem to fit like I have) so the question is why didn't he?

My view is that there simply isn't anyone to 'hold him to account' which seems to have been a popular phrase used on here over the Brexit/Ken Anderson/ and Government actions during Covid, years.

He seems to be more concerned about becoming a minor celebrity and have public recognition in his playing to an audience than pondering to deeply over each and every company accounts he reviews.

As I've said in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king, and as twitter and the likes of LoV fawn over what he tells them and they haven't the basic knowledge to at least to ask him problematic questions like 'why would anyone want to pay a jaw dropping £10m to acquire the clubs 'name?' or £6m pounds more than the club is worth just for 'goodwill?', then he can get away with telling them anything - and them be thankful for whatever old bone he chucks them, whether it be insightful or just general bollocks.

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David Ngog
David Ngog
Probably because he does it all for free

Ten Bobsworth


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
The £28.5million, Sluffy, is £16million intangible assets, £12.5million tangible.

I do think Sharon wanted to own and run a football club but its not exactly with her own money. Most of its debt and the debts are getting bigger.

I don't know if you've read any David Nobbs. He's probably best known for the Reginald Perrin novels and A bit of a do but I always think of Marc Iles when I notice Pratt of the Argus on my bookshelves and couldn't help but think of the Wanderers accounts when I spotted Second from last in the sack race this morning.

Actually there was a flurry of stragglers filing their accounts this last weekend leaving Southend the only one of last season's League 2 clubs overdue. Companies House do seem to be prioritising them for some reason. FVWL Hotel accounts are still in limbo.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Probably because he does it all for free

I doubt he does it ALL for free.

No doubt he did the LoV interview for free but I expect he's paid for his appearances on the media as an expert commentator on whatever item he is talking about.

I don't follow his podcasts but I suspect as a now well known 'influencer' he receives some form of sponsorships or other forms of financial benefits based on the 'audience' he is attracting.

Also his job is based around all his research and findings from the various sporting accounts he looks at as a lecturer and I guess his wages fund him doing so as I doubt he's lecturing in front of students for 35 hours a week.

Anyway it isn't about doing it for free or not, it should be about doing it professionally - it is his job and chosen career after all isn't it?

He mentioned both the intellectual property and goodwill items in his interview, surely then it wasn't a lot for a qualified and experienced auditor to wonder why they are so high?

Nope he clearly never gave it a second thought...?

What's the point in listening to an 'expert' when even a non accountant like myself can clearly see there is something more to those issues than meets the eye?

What then has the LoV and those who listened unquestionably to him learned from his interview - that he's a 'bit of a lad', likes a laugh, one of them, because they didn't gleam much if anything about the accounts or what they meant - and that was the whole reason for the interview, wasn't it?

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David Ngog
David Ngog
Because then he would be obliged to do the same for every minor issue for the entire 92

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Because then he would be obliged to do the same for every minor issue for the entire 92

Not sure what you are saying here?

He's set himself up as an expert in this particular field so if he is going to do his chosen calling properly then yes he has obliged himself to examine the entire 92 league clubs account in much greater a detail than just some throw away lines he made about FV accounts.

Indeed he said himself on the interview that he looks not only at the 92 English league clubs but also all the Scottish league clubs and many continental teams as well (I assume you didn't listen to the interview then?).

And he certainly didn't have to accept the LoV interview invite, or any other from anyone else if he didn't wish to - and by accepting their offer one would have thought he would have been professional enough to examine the accounts in some detail and obtained a greater insight into what they were saying and meant than just numbers on a page.

I think Bob's summary of him in post 42 of this thread has the measure of him -

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David Ngog
David Ngog
I suspect he's just spread himself far too thin taking on all this responsibility, certainly for something he doesn't charge for. We'd probably get more insight that way.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I suspect he's just spread himself far too thin taking on all this responsibility, certainly for something he doesn't charge for. We'd probably get more insight that way.

Well it depends on how much value you put on what you are being told and by whom I suppose.

I guess this is how most people on social media think and believe these days perhaps?

If Maguire only enlightens you as to goodwill being something you can't cash in at the bank and intellectual property is for the name of the club and has a value to FV of £10m have you really gain more insight than before?

Especially when both are in effect more likely to be balancing amounts to mask (whether it be deliberately done so or not) the true cost of FV paying more like £30m for the club, etc, than the reported £17.5m?

Wouldn't you be more interested to know why they paid so much and what their plans are for doing so?

If you are happy that an expert tells you what is in reality Janet and John level basic accountancy then good for you (and all others like you) but in all honesty you've gained absolutely no insight whatsoever and I would expect a qualified accountant, which Maguire is, to inform and enlighten his listeners (even if he is doing it for free) a great deal better than that.

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David Ngog
David Ngog
Holding an accounting qualification myself, I have gained absolutely no insight from it, you are correct.
But equally, knowing the value of the specialist knowledge, I wouldn't expect a breakdown for free.

I also don't know why you keep referencing some rumoured figure in a Sun article which has clearly been proven to be wrong, unless you consider Alan Nixon to be a bastion of accurate financial journalism.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Holding an accounting qualification myself, I have gained absolutely no insight from it, you are correct.
But equally, knowing the value of the specialist knowledge, I wouldn't expect a breakdown for free.

I also don't know why you keep referencing some rumoured figure in a Sun article which has clearly been proven to be wrong.

Then why bother to accept going on the LoV podcast if he deliberately held things back because he wasn't being paid for the interview?

Doesn't make any sense does it, easier just to say 'thank you for the invite but I respectfully decline' or something similar?

As for the rumoured figure in the Sun article I stated at the time that this was the only reported amount I could easily find anywhere and even stated that there would be a more definitive amount than the Sun report - just that I couldn't find one and still can't - unless the blurred amount on the hotel Administrators account in the sum of £29.5m is indeed it?

Tbh I hadn't even realised that it was a Nixon article - but I guess on refection now I should have though 'Sun' and therefore 'Nixon' and looked to check who the article was written by.

And fwiw who has exactly proved it to be wrong - Maguire certainly didn't in his interview for instance.

As far as I'm aware the only person to have shown any real proof whatsoever is Bob on here - I can't find anything from WW and if there is anything on TW I've not seen it.

I don't even believe FV have disclosed the figure yet?

It goes without saying Iles hadn't a clue.

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Just read this stuff about Lindsay’s coming and going and can’t help thinking that the Wanderers are becoming a sort of Bullshit United.

Sluffy

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Just read this stuff about Lindsay’s coming and going and can’t help thinking that the Wanderers are becoming a sort of Bullshit United.

I've been thinking the same for a long while myself.

I've never bought into the one club, one town/made in Bolton type mantra and there's been far too much unexplained comings and goings considering - enter with Emma, appoint Hill and Flitcroft, open the door to Kenyon and Phoenix, show the door to Hill and Flitcroft, bring in Ian Evatt, close the academy, Jimmy Phillips and David Lee leave, bring onboard Gartside Jnr, Emma the Chief Executive goes, show the door to Kenyon and Phoenix, start up the academy again, new academy boss, bring in Lindsay as Chief Finance Officer, Gartside Jnr leaves, Lindsay leaves, bring in Neil Hart as new Chief Executive...

All that and Sharon/FV have not even been here two years yet!!!

They took control on the 28th August, 2019.

I know it takes time and mistakes can and do happen when you do stuff like this but the strategy seems to change every time the wind blows in a different direction - for instance 'made in Bolton/Keith Hill, then Moneyball/Kenyon and Phoenix, then 'barrow-celona' under Evatt which didn't work and morphed into the present back four instead of the three central defenders style.  The same seems to have happened in the back office too?

Anyway the article you mentioned - note the last line - more changes ahead still!

Bolton Wanderers confirm former Hibernian chief Scott Lindsay has left the club

WANDERERS have confirmed the departure of chief financial officer Scott Lindsay.

The former Hibernian chief executive came to the club in February and oversaw the first set of financial accounts published by the club’s owners, Football Ventures.

Lindsay also briefly stepped into he CEO role after the departure of Andrew Gartside at the end of last season.

Lindsay. a qualified accountant, business consultant and a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland (ICAS), held a number of senior positions within Scottish football over the past 20 years including spells as Chief Executive at Hibernian FC and Director of Finance and IT at the Scottish FA.

A club spokesperson said: “Scott joined us on a fixed term contract and performed a variety of senior roles within the organisation with great commitment and professionalism, supporting the club through the appointment of Neil Hart as CEO.

“We would like to place on record our sincere thanks to Scott for his work during this period and would like to wish him well for the future.”

It is not yet known if new CEO Neil Hart will look to replace Lindsay as part of a structural review at the club.

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Thought I'd throw this in too - 'well oiled, slick football club' simply sounds like more BS image and so little actual substance to it all to me...

...at least so far anyway.

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
'The former Hibernian chief executive came to the club in February and oversaw the first set of financial accounts published by the club’s owners, Football Ventures'.


Did he really? What a load of cobblers. 


Oversaw!!!!!. These accounts would have been prepared, audited and filed by Cowgills because that's the way it works.


Th'otel accounts are now up on't Companies House website. Signed off on 29 June but not filed until 9 July. Why?

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Well nothing on these accounts about a £8m purchase of intellectual property.

Fwiw I've had a quick look at the other company's in the group - Bolton Sports Village, Bolton Sporting Ventures and Bolton Wanderers Football and Athletic Company and nothing on there either - not that I had expected there to be.

Goodwill and Intellectual property is shown a £1 each - which matched the Administrators statement in respect of the sale.

There's a bit of a fuss made about the PBP loan in that if it is paid off by the 1st Aug, 2022, then they will waive the interest (accruing at 7%!) - it got me thinking if there is some serious intent for Mike James to actually leave next year(?) otherwise why even make the offer in the first place?

Anyway that is one for the future.

Administrative expenses for the hotel is shown as £2.1m.

The total assets at the 4th July 2019 (FV took ownership in August 2019) is shown as £7.9m (which is some £500k above what the Admin statement for the sale was (but it is in the ballpark area I suppose?)

Included in the creditors due in one year is an amount for £1.1m to group undertakings (maybe a contribution to the £8m purchase of intellectual property?  Not sure about that though as nothing is set aside from anywhere else to total the £8m?).

Government grant of £370k received (and a further £50k after the accounting period).


That's all that's caught my eye at first glance anyway.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Another one to add to this list...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I've never bought into the one club, one town/made in Bolton type mantra and there's been far too much unexplained comings and goings considering - enter with Emma, appoint Hill and Flitcroft, open the door to Kenyon and Phoenix, show the door to Hill and Flitcroft, bring in Ian Evatt, close the academy, Jimmy Phillips and David Lee leave, bring onboard Gartside Jnr, Emma the Chief Executive goes, show the door to Kenyon and Phoenix, start up the academy again, new academy boss, bring in Lindsay as Chief Finance Officer, Gartside Jnr leaves, Lindsay leaves, bring in Neil Hart as new Chief Executive...

All that and Sharon/FV have not even been here two years yet!!!



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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Paul Holliday's departure is interesting, Sluffy, but so was his arrival. The club was borassic when he was recruited from Lancashire County Cricket Club shortly after Ken Anderson took over as chairman so why make that leap and why was he recruited?

The only reason I've ever been able to come up with was that his recruitment was to counter the incidious propaganda of the BN and Marc Iles, a longstanding problem for the Wanderers Board.

But, in stark contrast to Ken Anderson who plainly couldn't stick him at any price, Paul soon seemed to become quite pally with Iles. It was, however, Paul that is believed to have written the chairman's notes that were so derided on LOV and other social media.

The EFL need a senior media mogul too but they are in a much stronger financial position to afford one than Bolton Wanderers has ever been. 

I don't expect we'll ever get the full story but good luck to him. It's bound to be interesting working for the EFL and I've no doubt the money won't be half-bad either.

P.S. What's all this about 'family time' again? Where have Paul Holliday and Andy Gartside been spending their time during the pandemic?

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Holding an accounting qualification myself, I have gained absolutely no insight from it, you are correct.
But equally, knowing the value of the specialist knowledge, I wouldn't expect a breakdown for free.

I also don't know why you keep referencing some rumoured figure in a Sun article which has clearly been proven to be wrong, unless you consider Alan Nixon to be a bastion of accurate financial journalism.
'Holding an accounting qualification' yourself, maybe you can at least hazard some sort of theory where £10million of intellectual property might have come from and why it should be amortised over 50 years.

I played golf with a retired chartered accountant yesterday. Between us, we'd over 100 years of experience in practice under our belts but neither of us had come across that one before.

I'm still pondering who the £8million of this, that FV says it has actually paid, has actually been paid to. Maybe you could help out on that one too.

Over on WW, Mounts Kipper wants to know what's in the £7.3m administration costs. Its a reasonable question but Biggish Dave's gone all coy on him!!!!!!

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
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I played golf with a retired chartered accountant yesterday.
What a piss up that must have been. I hope you still had your trousers on by the time you reached the 18th. Very Happy

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
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What a piss up that must have been. I hope you still had your trousers on by the time you reached the 18th. Very Happy
I can't tell a lie, Boncey. My attempts to liven up the repartee with talk of goodwill and intellectual property was about as witty as it got. 

But he is a Rag so what can you expect? Still better than playing golf with Okocha, I'd wager.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
I can't tell a lie, Boncey. My attempts to liven up the repartee with talk of goodwill and intellectual property was about as witty as it got. 

But he is a Rag so what can you expect? Still better than playing golf with Okocha, I'd wager.
I tried golf, Bob, and I couldn't get on with it. Mark Twain had it right.

Don't mind watching it, or reading P.G Wodehouse's golf stories, but I'll leave playing to others.

I do, however, admire golfers for their stoicism.

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Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Paul Holliday's departure is interesting, Sluffy, but so was his arrival. The club was borassic when he was recruited from Lancashire County Cricket Club shortly after Ken Anderson took over as chairman so why make that leap and why was he recruited?

The only reason I've ever been able to come up with was that his recruitment was to counter the incidious propaganda of the BN and Marc Iles, a longstanding problem for the Wanderers Board.

But, in stark contrast to Ken Anderson who plainly couldn't stick him at any price, Paul soon seemed to become quite pally with Iles. It was, however, Paul that is believed to have written the chairman's notes that were so derided on LOV and other social media.

The EFL need a senior media mogul too but they are in a much stronger financial position to afford one than Bolton Wanderers has ever been. 

I don't expect we'll ever get the full story but good luck to him. It's bound to be interesting working for the EFL and I've no doubt the money won't be half-bad either.

P.S. What's all this about 'family time' again? Where have Paul Holliday and Andy Gartside been spending their time during the pandemic?

Add another recruitment change to that list!

Seems they need a new Hotel Manager now - I guess the previous has left?



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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I understood the last hotel manager had been working wonders, Sluffy, but PR being PR you never know quite what to believe, do you?

I see that Biggish Dave still hasn't answered Mounts Kipper's reasonable question on WW. I think Dave might be out of his depth on this one but at least he's not playing silly beggars or clutching at straws like Worthy on The Wanderer.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I understood the last hotel manager had been working wonders, Sluffy, but PR being PR you never know quite what to believe, do you?

I see that Biggish Dave still hasn't answered Mounts Kipper's reasonable question on WW. I think Dave might be out of his depth on this one but at least he's not playing silly beggars or clutching at straws like Worthy on The Wanderer.

Me too about the lady manager of the hotel - fulsome praise from Sharon then next moment (seemingly?) her job is being advertised - no announcement that she's retired on gone on to better things or anything?

As for the good folk over on TW, I see personal abuse is being thrown at you 'prick', 'cunt', asking for you to be banned and for what, because they believe you to patronise them?

Is being patronising a bigger sin that outright personal abuse that they happily chuck at you?

Are words on the internet implying that you might be somewhat thick deserving of a ban yet someone calling you a cunt not???

Christ I'd rather be thought of as being extremely stupid by someone on the internet - and learning something beneficial from them, rather than be seen by my peers as a genius and know the square root of fuck all (but even that being more than their knowledge!).

It's social media when all said and done, if grown men don't want to read what you post then they don't have to read it, let alone take it to heart a hurl abuse at you.

Obviously I see things different to most - as one of the posters on TW pointed out - you are not popular on there, WW, or even by many/most on here too - but what exactly is your crime that they clearly see and I don't?

Have people really lost sight than sticks and stones may break your bones but words (on the internet) will never hurt you...?

Seems they can't take 'it' but are more than happy to dish it out doubly so.

And they think that's ok???

Seems to me the retaliatory abuse (cunt. prick) is miles out of proportion to some one thinking/saying they don't think you are that smart (in their opinion).

I mean so what?

Why should I care what someone I don't know on the internet thinks about me...???

I must be missing something with folk getting so angry and abusive over what quite frankly is fuck all.

What is the matter with folks these days???

Sir, that cunt Bobsworth has just called me a twerp!

Miss, that prick Bobsworth thinks I'm a bit thick!

I mean really...???

Grown men bitching about that...

ffs!!!

..dunno..

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
You can ignore them, Sluffy, or you can parody them. They don't like parody at all. They don't like it up 'em, you know.

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Worthy's lost it, Sluffy, and I don't know whether to recommend an Anger Management course or a course on Cash Flow Statements for Beginners. I still haven't figured out where the £8.1million has actually gone nor would I know without putting a bit of forensic work in. I've a few ideas, mind you, but that's not quite the same thing. 

In the meantime a bit of Solomon Burke wouldn't go amiss.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Well I was a bit surprised when you mentioned previously you thought Worthy had something about him, I never saw anything in him but bile and hatred to Anderson, rather than a professional and dispassionate precis/explanation of the clubs financial accounts.

I note he's now called you a 'bell end' to his earlier 'cunt' and all because you asked him something that he really should have had more of a 'professional' clue about than most people.

I really don't understand people - would he call you a bell end and a cunt to your face in front of a load of people - and if he did, what do you think people would think of him doing so? - yet they don't hesitate to be abusive on social media - and their mates laugh and join in at times too!

It's almost being in a parallel universe or something where people can act and behave in a way they would certainly never dream to do in real life!

And what does it actual gain them - hello darling you are home, I've got something to tell you, I've just called someone I don't know on social media a 'cunt'!!!.

I don't know him (it maybe even a 'her' for all I know) from Adam (maybe even Eve).

All my internet friends all of whom I don't know (apart from one or two I do know but avoid them like the plague in real life) had a great laugh - and one even asked that we should ban him from our social media group!!!  We don't actually know the Admin or mods either other than their user names - but they'll have a tremendous laugh too when they read the thread!!!

I've been waiting for you to come home so I could tell a 'real' person what I've done - I bet you are so proud of me...

Yeah, I'm sure she would be too...

After all these years I still can't get used to grown men acting like this...

What has happened to everyone.

It's the internet ffs!

If someone doesn't like you or what you've posted so what?

Seriously, so what???

My real life is pretty boring but by God I've not slumped so low to get myself het up over if some random bloke I don't know or will ever meet rates me or not on the internet!

Some people out there really need to give their heads a good shake imo.

They really do!

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
I try to be optimistic, Sluffy. Its probably a mistake. Leopards don't change their spots and all that.

But its poor, really poor, depressingly poor. They say that ostriches bury their heads in the sand.
They don't. Only humans do that.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Nothing wrong in being optimistic at all Bob - but people do continue to often disappoint us.

It is what it is.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best they say.

I don't doubt Worthy and millions of others are actually good, kind and decent people away from social media it is just that on social media they seem to take that 'head' off and replace it with that of a keyboard warrior one instead - and act and behave in a manner they would never dream of in real life.

It's all a bit 'Lords of the Flies' mentality that most people seem to display on social media to my way of thinking - in that abuse and believing utter bollocks - and acting that way - seems to replace common sense and basic human civility and respect to others - who aren't in their tribe!

The thing is though with the Lord of the Flies, things revert back to normality in the end when they are rescued - but with social media it doesn't - in the sense that people may no longer be so abusive back in their real life's but they (or should I say many of them at least) take back with them in to their daily life the hogwash what they've read from social media and now fully believe is somehow true???

You're not going to get anywhere Bob in changing peoples minds about Eddie Davies (all a tax dodge/never had so much money to start with) and Ken Anderson (raped and pillaged the club) they have that fixed in their head and have no intention of changing it - despite actual facts to the contrary being available for them to see.

They are simply not interested in hard facts and figures, they are simply focussed on what goes on, on the pitch and nothing else matters to them - even after years of the clubs financial uncertainty nearly leading to its demise like neighbouring Bury!

(I know technically Bury still exists but you know what I mean).

We've got people posting on here about industrial scale sleaze by the Tory government - the bloke who posted it clearly believes it to be so - yet not one single case as yet been proven of such.

Not a single one.

Yet because he and tens of thousands of others have read it on social media he/they utterly believe it to be true irrespective that the facts actual shows that absolutely nothing as yet been proved to be the case.

Nothing, nada - yet he/they fully believe 'industrial scale sleaze' is happing based just on nothing more than what some people say on the internet!!!

This is the world we now live in Bob and the likes of you and I will never change it no matter how much we might try.

I'm happy to post up the facts for others to see on here and at least give those who might want to be better informed a chance to check things out for themselves but as in the Lord of the Flies most of them seem happy just to follow the 'influencers' rather than the 'facts'.

As they say - we get what we deserve.

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