https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labour-takes-shock-lead-in-the-polls-289716/
Significant public reaction to N.I. increase. More misjudgement by PM?
Significant public reaction to N.I. increase. More misjudgement by PM?
T.R.O.Y. wrote:To be really clear for you Sluffy - I’ve no idea if they have a better policy agreed on this, they haven’t showed much policy making under Starmer (I’ve criticised them for that a few times - do you recall that?).
My view (repeating it for you again) is they haven’t released their own policy to avoid scrutiny and not detract from the negative focus on the government’s. Two years (ish) out from an election opposition won’t release fully costed policy every time.
You are so desperate you again resort to misrepresenting my views. Second time on this thread alone.
Here’s a 3 bullet point summary of your work this week:
- ‘Boris’s tax is unfair - but the world isn’t fair’ - you spend all day defending it but won’t say explicitly whether you back it.
- ‘Wealth taxes penalise your father in law and benefit low income Asian families’ - you won’t say specifically what wealth tax you’re talking about, so we’ll just say all of them are.
- ‘Wealth taxes are unpopular’ - any tax is unpopular including the rise in NI, so another meaningless statement.
Do you have an opinion to add or are you just sitting on the fence criticising every side again?
Sluffy wrote:
1. The difference between raising NI and a wealth tax is basically a political decision - and in its crudest form, less people will vote against it at the polls than if a wealth tax was imposed instead.
2. Do I agree in a wealth tax, well I don't believe people who have worked hard all their life's to better themselves and their family's should be penalised.
T.R.O.Y. wrote:Sluffy wrote:
1. The difference between raising NI and a wealth tax is basically a political decision - and in its crudest form, less people will vote against it at the polls than if a wealth tax was imposed instead.
2. Do I agree in a wealth tax, well I don't believe people who have worked hard all their life's to better themselves and their family's should be penalised.
1. Debatable of course, but we'll see.
2. Penalised is an emotive choice of word, nobody gets rich on their own and paying tax to help others less fortunate is revered by some (clearly not by you and most of the right).
Our regressive tax system has created one of the most unequal societies in the world (2nd only to the US in the OECD i believe). Surely you see an issue with that and recognise it needs to be addressed?
T.R.O.Y. wrote:...nobody gets rich on their own...
T.R.O.Y. wrote:It's a pretty well known quote of Elizabeth Warren's, not the best but the underlying point is solid:
“There is nobody in this country who got rich on their own. Nobody. You built a factory out there - good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory... Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea - God bless! Keep a hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
Fundamentally we all get massive benefits from living in a country with strong community and public services - just look at you - went to grammar school and university for free!
'I'm alright Jack' is too common a view from those on the right. If you are fortunate enough to have made a success of yourself, recognise your privilege and look at those less fortunate.
T.R.O.Y. wrote:Ah that’s actually depressed me reading that Sluffy, your views on privilege are instructive though - a few topics makes more sense knowing how you view yourself.
Clearly we have polar opposite views of the world, so what’s the point in arguing? Good luck to you.
T.R.O.Y. wrote:Your view in your last post was that you haven’t been afforded any privileges, and that’s just a different view of the world to mine. No point in arguing it, we clearly frame issues in completely different ways but no ill feeling at all from me.
I certainly won’t be leaving.
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