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Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?

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Natasha Whittam
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Biggie

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What do you think is responsible for life and the universe, if we even exist at all?
Are you in the Evolution or Creation camp? Or something else? 

Let's solve this problem once, and for all.

Fwiw, creation makes no sense. Evolution almost solves it for me.

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Sluffy

Sluffy
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Biggie wrote:What do you think is responsible for life and the universe, if we even exist at all?
Are you in the Evolution or Creation camp? Or something else? 

Let's solve this problem once, and for all.

Natural science is responsible for creating life as we know it.

The weakness of the 'creation' view is who created the creator?

Biggie

Biggie
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Sluffy wrote:
Biggie wrote:What do you think is responsible for life and the universe, if we even exist at all?
Are you in the Evolution or Creation camp? Or something else? 

Let's solve this problem once, and for all.

Natural science is responsible for creating life as we know it.

The weakness of the 'creation' view is who created the creator?

The weakness of the creation myth actually runs far deeper than this. But it's a good starting point.

Here is a question. Are the big bang theory and evolution considered to be all part of the same theory. Or are the other options for how evolution got started?

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wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Our universe exists and whether anything existed before the big bang is undeterminable but at some point in time matter and antimatter came into existence.
So if something e.g. the building blocks of our universe came out of "nothing" then there must have been a creative force or latent energy that caused the change.
But if a creative or latent force existed there was never nothing or more likely a creative force in a different dimension i.e. outside of what we experience as time and place crossed over.
So how did that come into existence? We could chase our tails forever trying to track down a source.

For me it comes back to the concept of something from nothing so there must be a creator/creative force.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:Our universe exists and whether anything existed before the big bang is undeterminable but at some point in time matter and antimatter came into existence.
So if something e.g. the building blocks of our universe came out of "nothing" then there must have been a creative force or latent energy that caused the change.
But if a creative or latent force existed there was never nothing or more likely a creative force in a different dimension i.e. outside of what we experience as time and place crossed over.
So how did that come into existence? We could chase our tails forever trying to track down a source.

For me it comes back to the concept of something from nothing so there must be a creator/creative force.

Science widely believes now that the Big Bang is predated - this Horizon programme from 2010 shows the thinking from 11 years ago - still worth a watch though!

"What Happened Before the Big Bang?"
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ojn53

It's all simply the science deriving from the fabric of what we exist in - nobody created it because if they did who created them and the fabric of what they lived in, etc, etc, etc?

Also science also shows that something CAN be created from nothing in quantum physics.

Something from Nothing? A Vacuum Can Yield Flashes of Light
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

Funnily enough I watched a programme on neutrino's just last night (yes I know, but I'm interested in stuff like this) which shows our current understanding of sub-atomic science is incomplete and many mystery's will be understood once we master it -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000zwqr/neutrino-hunting-the-ghost-particle

Bottom line is that we will never know all the answers in our lifetimes but there is certainly not a 'creator' who has made us - it's simply the natural science from the fabric that we exist in and developed from.

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

You bunch of massive bellends.

You can't start something from nothing or there would be a whole universe in Bonce's head.

Someone or something has to create it. And that someone is God. All these scientists thinking they know stuff as if they were around to witness it Rolling Eyes .

Read the bible and get back to me.

MartinBWFC

MartinBWFC
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Natasha Whittam wrote:You bunch of massive bellends.

You can't start something from nothing or there would be a whole universe in Bonce's head.

Someone or something has to create it. And that someone is God. All these scientists thinking they know stuff as if they were around to witness it  Rolling Eyes .

Read the bible and get back to me.
Spoiler alert, he dies in the end

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:You bunch of massive bellends.

You can't start something from nothing or there would be a whole universe in Bonce's head.

Someone or something has to create it. And that someone is God. All these scientists thinking they know stuff as if they were around to witness it  Rolling Eyes .

Read the bible and get back to me.
I'll have you know I've left my brain to science. They asked, so I said ok.
For your information, Nat, my inner workings look something like this.
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTe7M3tr1n4tNhz1q5RxHuoPf0TTMbOISSYNMsF-MA_T-zWUwkWJV_wD0l0qskRy3kH3rk&usqp=CAU

Yours.......... Razz
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2qrHgtdrDQRlvUlzbkXlm40xJlE-cR5okygp6Y56EgMsCMqp-0SKh-wK0z1KIztWCA2M&usqp=CAU

Biggie

Biggie
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wanderlust wrote:Our universe exists and whether anything existed before the big bang is undeterminable but at some point in time matter and antimatter came into existence.
So if something e.g. the building blocks of our universe came out of "nothing" then there must have been a creative force or latent energy that caused the change.
But if a creative or latent force existed there was never nothing or more likely a creative force in a different dimension i.e. outside of what we experience as time and place crossed over.
So how did that come into existence? We could chase our tails forever trying to track down a source.

For me it comes back to the concept of something from nothing so there must be a creator/creative force.

By creator /creative force it seems that you imply intention.

What you are saying here is that whatever we are experiencing is so complex that it MUST have been created with intention. 

The only problem with this is that the creator, therfore must be at least, if not more complex. By which, you have to apply the same logic to the creator. That therfore the creator MUST have been created. And so you go on forever.

The only way out is to start from a more simple beginning, and assume that things became gradually more complex over time.

I'm not saying that before the big bang or before evolution, there was nothing. I'm just saying that whatever there was started off simple and without a master plan.

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Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:I'll have you know I've left my brain to science. They asked, so I said ok.
For your information, Nat, my inner workings look something like this.
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTe7M3tr1n4tNhz1q5RxHuoPf0TTMbOISSYNMsF-MA_T-zWUwkWJV_wD0l0qskRy3kH3rk&usqp=CAU

Yours.......... Razz
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2qrHgtdrDQRlvUlzbkXlm40xJlE-cR5okygp6Y56EgMsCMqp-0SKh-wK0z1KIztWCA2M&usqp=CAU

I've just viewed this for a second time and noticed the knob through the mouth.

You bitch.

And it's not even to scale if that's supposed to be Eric.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

There is no God or higher power, its just science and even then no one will ever know for sure how the big bang (the original one not Nat's last dinner party) came about or what caused it.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Biggie wrote:

By creator /creative force it seems that you imply intention.

What you are saying here is that whatever we are experiencing is so complex that it MUST have been created with intention. 

The only problem with this is that the creator, therfore must be at least, if not more complex. By which, you have to apply the same logic to the creator. That therfore the creator MUST have been created. And so you go on forever.

The only way out is to start from a more simple beginning, and assume that things became gradually more complex over time.

I'm not saying that before the big bang or before evolution, there was nothing. I'm just saying that whatever there was started off simple and without a master plan.
I didn't imply intention though - the whole universe as we know it could be a mere cell in the bell end of massive donkey as far as we can tell.....which in turn...etc etc. Point being scale is a factor in understanding.

And if you acknowledge there was a beginning, what was before that? And what caused a beginning to occur?

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:
Natasha Whittam wrote:You bunch of massive bellends.

You can't start something from nothing or there would be a whole universe in Bonce's head.

Someone or something has to create it. And that someone is God. All these scientists thinking they know stuff as if they were around to witness it  Rolling Eyes .

Read the bible and get back to me.
I'll have you know I've left my brain to science. They asked, so I said ok.
For your information, Nat, my inner workings look something like this.
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTe7M3tr1n4tNhz1q5RxHuoPf0TTMbOISSYNMsF-MA_T-zWUwkWJV_wD0l0qskRy3kH3rk&usqp=CAU

Yours.......... Razz
Problem solved! Evolution or Creation?  Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2qrHgtdrDQRlvUlzbkXlm40xJlE-cR5okygp6Y56EgMsCMqp-0SKh-wK0z1KIztWCA2M&usqp=CAU

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