T.R.O.Y. wrote:What about my question to you though WS63?
Seems pretty obvious to me that he's ignoring you (I don't blame him doing so personally!) and hectoring isn't going to change his mind is it?
I'll play though.
Firstly I have absolutely no idea if the boat was stuffed with Algerians or the woman's boyfriend was here illegally so it's all just speculation on my part (let's get that straight before we start) but we can at least apply some sort of logic that might give us a better chance of being more right than wrong.
My starting point is how much each migrant is paying for a spot on one of the boats.
We don't know really but this article following the deaths from the Daily Mirror reports a sum of £5,000 per person...https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-criminal-gangs-making-5000-25543548
...and this report from the BBC from September last year as around £2,500.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54358029
If then we agree on a figure of say £1,500 I think we can safely say that such an amount is probably less than what the real true figure is - agreed?
Ok, let's look at why the boat would be full of Algerians?
As far as I know there are no travel restrictions for Algerians to visit the UK (Covid aside).
Similarly as far as I know Algeria has no restrictions in issuing passports to its people?
This being the case then why would any Algerian risk their life crossing the Channel illegally when for less money could buy a return ticket to Heathrow, enter the country legally after acquiring their passport and an entry visa for a 'holiday' - then simply go underground when they got here - and become an illegal immigrant by that method?
Ok I've no idea how long it would take for them to get a passport and then a visitors visa (maybe they can't wait that long?) but it's certainly much safer and a lot cheaper?
On that line of logic it seems to me therefore that it is less likely that the boat was full of Algerians.
As for the boyfriend.
As far as I can understand he is a Iraqi Kurd.
As far as I know there's not been much of a stable government in Iraq for some while and the Kurds want independence from Iraq, Syria and Turkey, so I doubt he has a passport and therefore entered at least another country illegally initially?
Of course he could have been born and bred here for all I know but if he was the why not marry the girl and await a spouse visa, than have her risking her life as she did?
It seems to me on balance that the bloke probably came from Syria (I can't blame him for getting out with all that gone on their recently) and probably entered Turkey then possibly Greece illegally - loads clearly did.
Whether he sought asylum at the first EU country I don't know but clearly plenty didn't.
If he's ended up in the UK then I doubt he had a passport and if he is still here then I would assume he sought asylum here and been granted indefinite leave to remain?
It seems on balance to me therefore that he probably entered our country illegally.
Who knows if I'm right or wrong but it passed ten minutes of my time giving you an answer and allowing 63 to have a bit of peace and quiet from you!