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How is the Tory government doing?

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61How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun May 22 2022, 23:15

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I like the "greased albino piglet" description of Blojo as it describes him perfectly - although to be fair it was David Cameron who first called him that.

As regards your comments, anyone working with or within Blojo's fiefdom would be wise to record every conversation with him or his representatives. And even if they did have a smoking gun there would likely be "incentives" not to expose it. They are powerful and ruthless control freaks.

And I am not yet seventy FWIW.

62How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon May 23 2022, 00:12

Sluffy

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wanderlust wrote:I like the "greased albino piglet" description of Blojo as it describes him perfectly - although to be fair it was David Cameron who first called him that.

As regards your comments, anyone working with or within Blojo's fiefdom would be wise to record every conversation with him or his representatives. And even if they did have a smoking gun there would likely be "incentives" not to expose it. They are powerful and ruthless control freaks.

And I am not yet seventy FWIW.

Strange that you deny being seventy but not to being seven - I did after all state both ages.

And fwiw Cameron likened Johnson in a POSITIVE and somewhat complimentary way as a 'greased piglet' (no mention of 'albino') and not in a derogative 'name calling' and childish way that you have been doing...

“The thing about the greased piglet is that he manages to slip through other people’s hands where mere mortals fail.” That was the optimistic assessment of Boris Johnson’s chances of getting his Brexit deal through parliament by former prime minister David Cameron on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/17/greased-piglet-boris-johnson-could-pass-deal-says-david-cameron

As for 'them' being "powerful and ruthless control freaks" once again you seem to have lost all semblance of reality, Sue Gray isn't wearing concrete slippers (just for you Bonce!) at the bottom of the Thames and she's singlehandedly managed to get Johnson fined for breaking Covid law - which is somewhat surprising seeing she does everything Johnson tells her to do because she's one of his many servants (the clue is in the name apparently...).

As for Case and Reynolds they are at the top of the civil service hierarchy which means both of them have good brains in their heads, which begs the question to me as to why the seem to have acted (or rather seem to have not taken any action) in respect of the goings on in the Cabinet Office?

In the scheme of things having a few drinks amongst colleagues (even in the workplace) isn't the worst thing in the world - even during lockdown - but it would seem from the reports we have that on many occasions the 'events' went far beyond something one could reasonably turn a blind eye to and they both would have known they needed to do something about it - to manage the situation if you like.

On the surface it would appear Case had lost control - in the sense he didn't stop the growing number of events, or alternatively didn't have the authority to stop it.

Clearly no one would have imagined that partygate would hit the headlines as it has, so maybe Case considered it not an issue to rock the boat about assuming that the 'party' atmosphere was being led by the Spads with Johnsons full support (and clearly participation as well).

Nevertheless all he had to do was put the message out to remind his civil service staff that there were rules in place at the time that required adhering to (even if the Spads working alongside them were not obeying these rules).

I'm sure he could even have raised it as an agenda item at some internal management meeting or other if for no other reason just to get it minuted (and thus cover his back - ie he's brought the matter to the PM's attention as they are HIS Spads and not Case's responsibility).

As for Reynolds issuing the BYOB invite, that beggars belief to me!

I can only assume Boris was behind him and/or it was some sort of challenge to undermine Case's authority and presumably some form of office politics or other?

Clearly it was widely known to be a bad idea - as few staff turned up for it - yet he seemed quite happy to push for the party even though he was apparently told not to by Cummings.

Some sort of power play seemed to be going on I suspect and Reynolds should not have been part of it - or has something in his back pocket to show he was instructed to do it by Boris presumably???

Hopefully all will be revealed shortly in Sue Gray's report that's if the "powerful and ruthless control freaks" don't bump her off first!!!

(You do make me laugh you complete nutjob!!!)

63How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon May 23 2022, 17:16

Sluffy

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Exclusive: Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured drinking at Downing Street party during lockdown

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Photographs obtained by ITV News cast fresh doubt on the Prime Minister’s claims that he was unaware of rule-breaking in Downing Street during the pandemic.

The four images show the Prime Minister raising a glass at a leaving party on 13th November 2020, with bottles of alcohol and party food on the table in front of him.

They were taken at a gathering in honour of the Downing Street’s then Director of Communications Lee Cain, with eight people pictured standing closely together, as well as the photographer.

ITV News understands there were also other participants out of shot at the party, which one source has dubbed "Fizzgate", despite the rules at the time only allowing two people from different households to mix indoors.

In several of the photographs, Boris Johnson appears to be making a speech and raising a toast, with half a glass of fizz in his hands.

On a chair sits his red box, and on the table next to him are two bottles of champagne or cava, four bottles of wine and half a bottle of gin.

The images also show party cups, biscuits, crisps and other food.

At that time, parties with people outside of your household were banned. Eight days earlier England had been put back into strict lockdown due to soaring cases of Covid-19.

ITV News decided that it was in the public interest to publish the photographs despite being unable to reveal the identities of all the participants.

The latest revelation raises further questions about why the Metropolitan Police did not fine the Prime Minister for attending the party, while others present did receive a Fixed Penalty Notice.

But it also casts doubt on Boris Johnson’s repeated claims made in the House of Commons and elsewhere that all rules were followed in No 10 and that he had been unaware of any law-breaking parties.

On 1st December 2021, he told MPs “all guidance was followed completely in No 10.”

And on 8th December, he again told MPs “I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken”, before stating in a Downing Street press conference later that day that “all the evidence I can see is that people in this building have stayed within the rules.”

Yet the photographs show Boris Johnson standing next to aides, looking and smiling at them while they hold glasses of alcohol, with the Prime Minister himself raising his glass in what appears to be a toast.

Parliament’s Privileges Committee is due to begin an investigation into whether he knowingly misled MPs by denying any knowledge of the parties. Doing so would break the ministerial code and normally be a resigning matter.

The photographs also come as civil servant Sue Gray finalises her internal report into the culture of partying in Number 10. It is thought that she may also publish pictures of several events when the report is made public as soon as this week.

Callum Harrison was fined for a similar size party on 30th October 2020, before England went into even tighter lockdown restrictions. He and his eight housemates invited two people over who were not from their household and all ten of them were fined £100 each.

Reacting to the photographs of the Prime Minister drinking at the event two weeks later - for which Boris Johnson did not receive a fine - Callum told us he feels it is a "disgrace" that they were fined while the prime minister was not.

"We only had two people during less strict rules, by the looks of it he had six people there all in his house, partying, socialising, so a lot more severe than what we were doing," he said.

"At the time I took it as it was but now looking back when they’ve done so many more parties compared to we did, I think it’s a disgrace we’ve had to pay this fine and he hasn’t paid a full amount.

"He also should have left office a long, long time ago for what he’s done."

In response, No 10 spokesperson said: “The Cabinet Office and the Met Police have had access to all information relevant to their investigations, including photographs. The Met have concluded their investigation and Sue Gray will publish her report in the coming days, at which point the Prime Minister will address Parliament in full.”

The Met Police referred ITV News to statements made last week after they'd completed their investigation into breaches of Covid regulations at Downing Street and Whitehall.

Last Thursday, Acting Deputy Commissioner Helen Ball, of the Met said: “Our investigation was thorough and impartial and was completed as quickly as we could, given the amount of information that needed to be reviewed and the importance of ensuring that we had strong evidence for each FPN referral.

“This investigation is now complete.”

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/exclusive-pm-pictured-drinking-at-downing-street-party-during-lockdown

64How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon May 23 2022, 22:06

Sluffy

Sluffy
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ITV News interviewing their editor and the man who broke todays news.




23 May 2022
PM ‘lied to parliament’ over Partygate, former Scottish Conservatives leader says



Update from the man who boke the story.


Daily Mirror's Political Editor (note people at this 'party' received a fixed penalty notice from the Met Police).



Dominic Cummings - the 'shopping trolley with the wonky wheel' is code for Boris Johnson.



65How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 01:55

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Just wondering if Sue Gray is having last minute doubts about publishing the anticipated Graywash in it's allegedly amended form now that the first of the fined Whitehall underlings has finally had the balls to stand up to the powerful and ruthless control freaks and share their photos with the media?

Rumour is that several more underlings are readying themselves to share their images of the greased albino piglet in full party mode at several other "work events" (if required and subject to intact balls) so she probably needs to think very carefully.

Obviously the Met have some explaining to do given that they fined others at the "work event" in these particular photos.

And I can't wait for Sluffy's Janet and John style explanation on the back of all the scorn he's poured on my inferences that there may have been a corrupt cover up to protect the GAP and his cronies so far either - it's going to be a cracker. Smile

In Russia, Putin controls the civil service, the courts and the police - isn't there even the faintest whiff of that style of totalitarian government in our own country at the present time - or is that just too difficult to imagine (unless you're a nutjob)?

66How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 07:37

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:Just wondering if Sue Gray is having last minute doubts about publishing the anticipated Graywash in it's allegedly amended form now that the first of the fined Whitehall underlings has finally had the balls to stand up to the powerful and ruthless control freaks and share their photos with the media?

Rumour is that several more underlings are readying themselves to share their images of the greased albino piglet in full party mode at several other "work events" (if required and subject to intact balls) so she probably needs to think very carefully.

Obviously the Met have some explaining to do given that they fined others at the "work event" in these particular photos.

And I can't wait for Sluffy's Janet and John style explanation on the back of all the scorn he's poured on my inferences that there may have been a corrupt cover up to protect the GAP and his cronies so far either - it's going to be a cracker. Smile

In Russia, Putin controls the civil service, the courts and the police - isn't there even the faintest whiff of that style of totalitarian government in our own country at the present time - or is that just too difficult to imagine (unless you're a nutjob)?

:facepalm:

Hahahaha

You really, really, really are a complete and utter mentalist!!!!

67How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 08:22

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Lets be honest nothing will happen to Boris yet again, the man is made of teflon and is laughing at us all.

I just hope when the the next General Election comes round people remember all the lies, half truths and deception he and his party have taken part in.

68How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 09:04

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Dear Mr. Johnson,

Do yourself a favour, be pleased that you have got off very lightly so far, leave the largely self-imposed mess behind you, and concentrate on the energy it will take to become a worthwhile, loving husband, father and human being at last.

69How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 09:12

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Norpig wrote:Lets be honest nothing will happen to Boris yet again, the man is made of teflon and is laughing at us all.

I just hope when the the next General Election comes round people remember all the lies, half truths and deception he and his party have taken part in.

Unfortunately Johnson has an 80 seat (or thereabouts now) majority, no obvious rival in the Tory party to challenge him as leader and with the less than inspiring Keir Starmer as the main (only!) opposition leader to vote for at the next General Election.

Politics are all about power and whilst the Conservative party believe they will win the next GE with Boris then they will stick with him.

It would seem to me that they won't want to rock the boat whilst public opinion remains behind the Tory party in general but won't hesitate to throw him under the bus if it substantially shifts against them.

The two by-elections next month will give an indication of current public opinion but even then a lot can change before the next GE due on or before late 2024.

As for Johnson and partygate, it would seem as I've said before that the Met Police lawyers aren't certain about the grey area of lockdown regulations and Johnson being in his own home and garden, which also doubles up as his work place.

The pictures above and narrative seem to suggest that he gave a leaving speech of just 10 minutes to a 'work' colleague, then LEFT.  I suspect those who received a fine admitted to carrying on the party after all the 'work' speeches of 'thanks and best wishes' were over - in other words the 'work' bit had finished and the 'party' bit just carried on from it.

I personally would like to see the back of Johnson however there simply isn't anyone obvious and viable to replace him either now or in the foreseeable future.

It is as simple as that - and not one ginormous mentalist theory of conspiracy, corruption and collusion being enforced by dark and sinister forces backed by Putin's influence and  money that have corrupted the whole of the UK's administrative, political, judicial and police systems that our resident nutjob firmly believes as happened.

Surely by now people everyone must realise that Wanderlust is utterly bonkers in his views and behaviour on all of this?

..dunno..

70How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 10:45

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy it's just his opinion, if you don't like it then just don't respond. It really is that easy.

71How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 11:15

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Norpig wrote:Sluffy it's just his opinion, if you don't like it then just don't respond. It really is that easy.

It's not his opinion though, he is actual stating his belief as to what he sees to be true.

Look for instance how he's slagged off Sue Gray - you know how she would only write what Boris told her to do - well that's clearly wrong he's been found to have broken the law in respect of lockdown because of Gray's findings and proving actual evidence to the police to prosecute him (if he had challenged the fixed penalty notice),

He's told us he believes there some sort of Russian type hit squad is going to kneecap or bump off those who stand in the way of Boris.

He now believes Gray will have second thoughts over what she's put in her report, now at the very last minute (which he constantly refers to as going to be a complete 'whitewash' or in his words in a childish attempt at humour 'graywash') and despite the fact that she's already shown she her honesty and integrity by already getting him fined for breaking the law!!!

The bloke is utterly warped and twisted and spewing his anger and his hatred.

He certainly isn't stating just 'his' opinion, he's his stating what he believes to be true and is actually happening (or will happen).

I think even you can see that by now???

72How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 11:23

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I'm amazed you can't see he's doing it to wind you up Sluffy  Very Happy

73How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 11:43

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Norpig wrote:I'm amazed you can't see he's doing it to wind you up Sluffy  Very Happy

He's not though.

He may well have told you and others that is what he is doing perhaps but the fact is that he demonstrates exactly the same behaviour on issues I simply have no interest of, such as the Brexit thread.

It's self-evident, or at least it should be, that he clearly believes in what he says and isn't taking up an opposite position to simply wind me up.

It's also self-evident that he frequents social media sites to feed his anti-Tory hatred and which he brings back to post constantly on here.

I really think him to be utterly bonkers.

74How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 11:49

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I'm as anti-Tory as they come, always hated them going back to that witch Thatcher. I'm off to Grantham soon with a big box of eggs  Very Happy

75How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 11:56

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Norpig wrote:I'm as anti-Tory as they come, always hated them going back to that witch Thatcher. I'm off to Grantham soon with a big box of eggs  Very Happy
Don't bother mate. They're available on site.
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76How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 12:04

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

1 egg for 10 quid  Shocked

77How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 12:18

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Norpig wrote:I'm as anti-Tory as they come, always hated them going back to that witch Thatcher. I'm off to Grantham soon with a big box of eggs  Very Happy

You may well be as anti-Tory as they come but you've not lost your marbles over it as Wanderlust has.

You at least are able to listen to reason and are able to put your hand up to be being wrong at times.

It also doesn't consume and eats away at you as it clearly does to Wanderlust.

Just because he is on the same side of the fence as you in being anti-Tory don't make the mistake as seeing him as being as you are.

We all support BWFC for instance but just because we do it doesn't mean I share the same beliefs and values of those of our fans that go out of their way to cause trouble and disruption.  There's a big difference between me (you) and them - we might be on the same side of the fence in that we support Bolton but we are miles apart in every other respect particularly how we aren't filled with anger and hatred to others who aren't supporters of our club who are at the match or in the vicinity of it.

If you really did go to Grantham to chuck a few eggs then you would be doing so in fun, Wanderlust however would be throwing thm in his long standing and festering hatred of her.

Enjoy your day trip out!

(Bring your own eggs though!)

78How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 12:47

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Norpig wrote:I'm as anti-Tory as they come, always hated them going back to that witch Thatcher. I'm off to Grantham soon with a big box of eggs  Very Happy
My wife was born in Grantham.....went to the same school. The similarity ends there, I'm happy to say! Very Happy

79How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 13:04

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

I have to say I find Lusty's posts very interesting, whether I agree with some of his opinions or not; they are well expressed and can be quite thought-provoking, often portraying the wider picture or a tangential observation which others may rail against. 

Some of his detractors criticise him (ironically!) for being exactly the same as they themselves are. Hypocrisy or a lack of self-awareness abound. No differences of opinion should be so great as to result in abuse on a site that is meant to encourage debate, not shut it down.....

80How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue May 24 2022, 13:21

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Just as an afterthought, I've been impressed recently by several leading lights in politics who happen to be female and express themselves clearly, fluently and ethically: Reeves, Nandy, Lucas, Nokes (the only Tory), Cooper, and Rayner despite the best efforts of The Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph!

The gross baying in the HoC would largely cease if we had more female representation perhaps.

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