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181 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 12:47

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I understand KAs position but suggesting that player bonuses will only be paid if SS and BM accept the deal he has offered is sailing close to blackmail IMO as it means that BM and SS are put in the invidious position of having to suck up whatever Ken is offering them or risk jeopardising the future of the club.

I don't like the idea of KA using the club as a bargaining tool.

182 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 13:18

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wanderlust wrote:I understand KAs position but suggesting that player bonuses will only be paid if SS and BM accept the deal he has offered is sailing close to blackmail IMO as it means that BM and SS are put in the invidious position of having to suck up whatever Ken is offering them or risk jeopardising the future of the club.

I don't like the idea of KA using the club as a bargaining tool.

I don't agree with your thinking at all.

Holdsworth it is known has not put anything into the club since he put in £4 million from the BluMarble loan (£1 million LESS than he borrowed remember!) and BM have never put anything directly into the club - so why do you think either one of them would be bothered if Anderson paid the bonuses or not?

BM has it's money tied to the assets of the club, so they know there money is ultimately safe and St Dean is probably holding out for as much as he can for his shares whilst not spending a penny in keeping the club going.

If anything it is the other way around and Anderson has been forced to pay the bonuses from his own pocket whilst the deadlock persists.

BM can't lose, at worst it will make Holdsworth Sport Shield bwfc out of business.

I assume Holdsworth's shares in the club are 'owned' by SSBWFC in which case the liquidator will sell them to the highest bidder I would imagine.

That being the case I would think Holdsworth is banking on Anderson not allowing that to happen and buying them off him directly before the final court hearing.


Anderson if anything is the hero in all of this - not the villain!



183 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 13:22

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Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I understand KAs position but suggesting that player bonuses will only be paid if SS and BM accept the deal he has offered is sailing close to blackmail IMO as it means that BM and SS are put in the invidious position of having to suck up whatever Ken is offering them or risk jeopardising the future of the club.

I don't like the idea of KA using the club as a bargaining tool.

I don't agree with your thinking at all.

Holdsworth it is known has not put anything into the club since he put in £4 million from the BluMarble loan (£1 million LESS than he borrowed remember!) and BM have never put anything directly into the club - so why do you think either one of them would be bothered if Anderson paid the bonuses or not?

BM has it's money tied to the assets of the club, so they know there money is ultimately safe and St Dean is probably holding out for as much as he can for his shares whilst not spending a penny in keeping the club going.

If anything it is the other way around and Anderson has been forced to pay the bonuses from his own pocket whilst the deadlock persists.

BM can't lose, at worst it will make Holdsworth Sport Shield bwfc out of business.

I assume Holdsworth's shares in the club are 'owned' by SSBWFC in which case the liquidator will sell them to the highest bidder I would imagine.

That being the case I would think Holdsworth is banking on Anderson not allowing that to happen and buying them off him directly before the final court hearing.


Anderson if anything is the hero in all of this - not the villain!




For now, KA is the hero to me as well... with business acumen. May he stay that way and play hardball until the club is solvent and on good footing.

184 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 14:38

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Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I understand KAs position but suggesting that player bonuses will only be paid if SS and BM accept the deal he has offered is sailing close to blackmail IMO as it means that BM and SS are put in the invidious position of having to suck up whatever Ken is offering them or risk jeopardising the future of the club.

I don't like the idea of KA using the club as a bargaining tool.

I don't agree with your thinking at all.

Holdsworth it is known has not put anything into the club since he put in £4 million from the BluMarble loan (£1 million LESS than he borrowed remember!) and BM have never put anything directly into the club - so why do you think either one of them would be bothered if Anderson paid the bonuses or not?

BM has it's money tied to the assets of the club, so they know there money is ultimately safe and St Dean is probably holding out for as much as he can for his shares whilst not spending a penny in keeping the club going.

If anything it is the other way around and Anderson has been forced to pay the bonuses from his own pocket whilst the deadlock persists.

BM can't lose, at worst it will make Holdsworth Sport Shield bwfc out of business.

I assume Holdsworth's shares in the club are 'owned' by SSBWFC in which case the liquidator will sell them to the highest bidder I would imagine.

That being the case I would think Holdsworth is banking on Anderson not allowing that to happen and buying them off him directly before the final court hearing.


Anderson if anything is the hero in all of this - not the villain!



As I said, I understand his position.
That doesn't change the fact that there is an implication that KA will pay the bonuses provided his offers are accepted. We don't know whether he's made a reasonable offer or not - he might have put in a derisory offer - but using the club's reputation and stability as a bargaining tool in a private matter is unethical.
And yes I do think they'd be bothered if KA paid the bonuses or not especially Deano who was first to step up to the plate to save the club. He might not have gone about it the right way but we might not be here today but for his early intervention.
KA buying shares is a private matter and he shouldn't be using the club to bargain with.
It comes across as "accept the tenner or the baby gets it". Tacky.

And just because I feel uncomfortable about this particular move doesn't mean I am not grateful for the other work KA has done so far.

185 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 14:42

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My view entirely. I've never really trusted KA,for obvious reasons,but I'm grateful for what he's done to date.
I'm hoping this doesn't get too messy.

186 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 14:55

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He said he wouldnt put anymore of his own money in as his "partner" hasnt put fuck all in.  How is that KA'S fault. He has funded everything so far.  How is it fair for him to continue to do that when Holdsworth could just sell to someone else and he is left out of pocket. Im sure the players didnt have to visit the fucking food bank the moaning overpaid twats.

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187 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 14:57

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boltonbonce wrote:My view entirely. I've never really trusted KA,for obvious reasons,but I'm grateful for what he's done to date.
I'm hoping this doesn't get too messy.
We all want KA to succeed and become a successful Chairman and that goodwill has translated into an acceptance of the austerity measures he has introduced which Bolton fans had baulked at in previous years.

That said, Ken has form as a dodgy dealer and for now we are putting that to the back of our minds perhaps due to his early successes, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly transformed into a saint or that he isn't solely focused on a profitable exit strategy. Only time will tell as it's far too early to judge his performance one way or the other.

188 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:01

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y2johnny wrote:He said he wouldnt put anymore of his own money in as his "partner" hasnt put fuck all in.  How is that KA'S fault. 
It's not his fault. Nor is it Deano's fault that he has no more money to put in. That's just the situation.

And this situation provides KA with an opportunity to increase his shareholding so it's understandable that he's using his investment to take control of Deano's shares. That doesn't mean he shouldn't do it ethically.

189 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:04

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Yeah buts hes paid it?  So he wasnt using it as a bargaining tool.  Maybe hes close to visiting a foodbank to due to the fact holdsworth PROMISED to fund 50/50 and hasnt done.  So therefore it is holdsworths fault

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190 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:16

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wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:
wanderlust wrote:I understand KAs position but suggesting that player bonuses will only be paid if SS and BM accept the deal he has offered is sailing close to blackmail IMO as it means that BM and SS are put in the invidious position of having to suck up whatever Ken is offering them or risk jeopardising the future of the club.

I don't like the idea of KA using the club as a bargaining tool.

I don't agree with your thinking at all.

Holdsworth it is known has not put anything into the club since he put in £4 million from the BluMarble loan (£1 million LESS than he borrowed remember!) and BM have never put anything directly into the club - so why do you think either one of them would be bothered if Anderson paid the bonuses or not?

BM has it's money tied to the assets of the club, so they know there money is ultimately safe and St Dean is probably holding out for as much as he can for his shares whilst not spending a penny in keeping the club going.

If anything it is the other way around and Anderson has been forced to pay the bonuses from his own pocket whilst the deadlock persists.

BM can't lose, at worst it will make Holdsworth Sport Shield bwfc out of business.

I assume Holdsworth's shares in the club are 'owned' by SSBWFC in which case the liquidator will sell them to the highest bidder I would imagine.

That being the case I would think Holdsworth is banking on Anderson not allowing that to happen and buying them off him directly before the final court hearing.


Anderson if anything is the hero in all of this - not the villain!



As I said, I understand his position.
That doesn't change the fact that there is an implication that KA will pay the bonuses provided his offers are accepted. We don't know whether he's made a reasonable offer or not - he might have put in a derisory offer - but using the club's reputation and stability as a bargaining tool in a private matter is unethical.
And yes I do think they'd be bothered if KA paid the bonuses or not especially Deano who was first to step up to the plate to save the club. He might not have gone about it the right way but we might not be here today but for his early intervention.
KA buying shares is a private matter and he shouldn't be using the club to bargain with.
It comes across as "accept the tenner or the baby gets it". Tacky.

And just because I feel uncomfortable about this particular move doesn't mean I am not grateful for the other work KA has done so far.

What on Earth are you on about?

What happens if Anderson did not pay the wages - nothing at all for weeks - the Football League and the players association would step in, shit would be thrown BUT that would take longer than the time the BluMarble v SSBWFC is back in court, in just over a weeks time.

Something has to happen on or before that date as its the final hearing!

There are still plenty assets to cover the players wages - indeed Anderson himself will pay them out of his own pocket - so he can't possibly have been 'blackmailing' BM or Holdsworth in the slightest.

As for Holdsworth being some sort of hero - what planet are you on?

Man with no money and in 'partnership' with someone later jailed for financial fraud, doggedly pursue ownership of club when no one else would - it all stunk at the time - and still stinks now!  

A £1 million set up fee!   Shocked

You're no better than a wum these days Lusty - and an extremely poor one at that.

191 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:25

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Sluffy wrote:You're no better than a wum these days Lusty - and an extremely poor one at that.

When are you going to understand that just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make them a "wum".

You did exactly the same thing to 1874 which cost us a great poster.

Forums work because people have differing opinions, they don't work if the mods insult everyone who doesn't agree with them.

192 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:33

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:You're no better than a wum these days Lusty - and an extremely poor one at that.

When are you going to understand that just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make them a "wum".

You did exactly the same thing to 1874 which cost us a great poster.

Forums work because people have differing opinions, they don't work if the mods insult everyone who doesn't agree with them.

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193 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:37

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:You're no better than a wum these days Lusty - and an extremely poor one at that.

When are you going to understand that just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make them a "wum".

You did exactly the same thing to 1874 which cost us a great poster.

Forums work because people have differing opinions, they don't work if the mods insult everyone who doesn't agree with them.


I'm posting as a member of the forum, an equal, and not as the 'voice' of the forum.

I'm posting what I consider logic and common sense to someone who in the recent past as called me a moron and a facist!

I'm putting forward 'facts' to disprove his 'opinion'.

As for 1874/Largehat, there was a great deal of past history between us as well you know and in all the time he posted on here I never held it against him.

He clearly was the type who didn't like to lose any argument and he would (and did) argue and browbeat anyone who dared disagree with him.

People even stated they would refrain from posting on Nuts because of it.

He's not banned from here and if he ever wanted to return here I would be delighted as I'm sure most of us would.

194 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 15:48

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Sluffy wrote:I'm posting as a member of the forum, an equal, and not as the 'voice' of the forum.

I'm posting what I consider logic and common sense to someone who in the recent past as called me a moron and a facist!

I'm putting forward 'facts' to disprove his 'opinion'.


1874 was not Largehat, but at least that explains your animosity towards him.

No one is saying you shouldn't argue, in fact some of the best recent threads have been between you and 1874, and you and wanderlust. But you are not an equal, you run the site so when you get personal it has a lot more meaning than me calling someone a bellend.

This site is teetering on the edge, you need to hold onto the posters you have. Just show a little more respect to the folk that choose to post on your site, even if you think what they write is bollocks.

195 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:35

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Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:I'm posting as a member of the forum, an equal, and not as the 'voice' of the forum.

I'm posting what I consider logic and common sense to someone who in the recent past as called me a moron and a facist!

I'm putting forward 'facts' to disprove his 'opinion'.


1874 was not Largehat, but at least that explains your animosity towards him.

No one is saying you shouldn't argue, in fact some of the best recent threads have been between you and 1874, and you and wanderlust. But you are not an equal, you run the site so when you get personal it has a lot more meaning than me calling someone a bellend.

This site is teetering on the edge, you need to hold onto the posters you have. Just show a little more respect to the folk that choose to post on your site, even if you think what they write is bollocks.

I don't have animosity to anyone in real life - even those that have hurt me - so I certainly have non for people I don't know on the internet.

Although I do have administrative powers on the forum I have never used them for my own benefit.  I post on the forum as an equal to everyone else and the few times I am required to mod I do it honestly and fairly.

I don't deceive people and am tolerant of others - some of whom who have been on my case for years over something trifling done on an internet forum that they didn't agree with!

As far as I concerned I've posted fair comment to Wanderlust above.

Wanderlust is clearly an intelligent person and must I assume have reason to post what he has.

I merely pointed out the absurdity to it.

If that is being respectful to him then I guess I must have been.

As someone who I don't recall ever offering me an apology for calling me a moron and a fascist, I do offer him my apology if he's ever thought I've been disrespectful to him.

That was and never been my intention to him or anyone else.

196 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:42

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Sluffy wrote:Wanderlust is clearly an intelligent person.

Steady, let's not go overboard.

Sluffy wrote:As someone who I don't recall ever offering me an apology for calling me a moron and a fascist, I do offer him my apology if he's ever thought I've been disrespectful to him.

That was and never been my intention to him or anyone else.

:clap:

Fair play to you.

Don't ever stop the debate/arguing because that's what makes a site more interesting. Passion for any subject should be applauded.

197 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:53

boltonbonce

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Even slippers?

198 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:56

Norpig

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perhaps we should all have a thread of our own to share the delights of our favourite pastime, not sure how to do mine though without falling foul of obscenity laws  Razz

199 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:58

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Norpig wrote:perhaps we should all have a thread of our own to share the delights of our favourite pastime, not sure how to do mine though without falling foul of obscenity laws  Razz
You could get Specsavers to sponsor it.

200 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 16:59

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boltonbonce wrote:Even slippers?

There are exceptions.

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201 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:00

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boltonbonce wrote:
Norpig wrote:perhaps we should all have a thread of our own to share the delights of our favourite pastime, not sure how to do mine though without falling foul of obscenity laws  Razz
You could get Specsavers to sponsor it.
 good idea i'll email them now, i'm sure they will we be up for it. Just need a name for the thread now, any ideas?

202 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:06

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Norpig wrote:
boltonbonce wrote:
Norpig wrote:perhaps we should all have a thread of our own to share the delights of our favourite pastime, not sure how to do mine though without falling foul of obscenity laws  Razz
You could get Specsavers to sponsor it.
 good idea i'll email them now, i'm sure they will we be up for it. Just need a name for the thread now, any ideas?
The Pulled Pork thread.

203 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:06

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Norpig wrote: good idea i'll email them now, i'm sure they will we be up for it. Just need a name for the thread now, any ideas?

Norpig wanks over ALF.

It's catchy, it could go nationwide.

204 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:15

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some good ideas on here i think the Procrasturbation thread or taking the sausage hostage thread?

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205 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:17

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Sorry for interrupting but the Ken Anderson article has been updated (about the tweets from his son I think).

I post it in full just in case there was other stuff as well -


As by way of an update, it is frustrating to report that discussions between BluMarble and Dean Holdsworth are still unfortunately ongoing.
I had hoped that this situation would have been resolved a long time ago, but hopefully a resolution will be achieved this week before the next WUP hearing between Sports Shield and BluMarble that is listed for July 10.
I have made offers to both parties and I am optimistic that they will be acceptable, meaning that hopefully the matters will both be resolved this week. As always, l will keep you abreast of what is happening.
This lack of a resolution was the main reason why the bonuses owed to the players were not paid on time as I was reluctant to continue to solely fund the club with still no certainty of an agreement being reached with both parties.
However, as I have solely funded the club with substantial amounts during these ongoing discussions over the last few months, I have agreed to continue to do so for the time being, in the hope that an agreement will be reached with both parties in the short term.
Accordingly, the players will be paid the outstanding monies this week.
Going forward, I will be looking at how and when bonuses are paid in the future as the timing has an adverse affect on our cash flow as we are paying out the bonuses before we have received any monies from the EFL and at a time when little or no funds are being generated.
You can imagine the problem it would cause if we were fortunate enough to be promoted to the Premier League this season where bonuses at most clubs run into millions.
I have to say I thought the comments on social media from Dean Moxey were disappointing and unnecessary, particularly from a player who has been paid handsomely based on the number of games he started last season.
As far, as I am aware, the salaries have not been paid late every month as he has stated.
As regards the tweet posted by Lee, he did this with my full backing and once Dean went public, I see no reason why Lee should not respond.
After all, Dean's and the other players' salaries have effectively been paid through the financial support of Lee and his family.
All in all, it would have been better to have remained a private matter but Dean chose to go public and Lee responded accordingly.
Lee has feelings as well and I can assure you he is very passionate about the club and gets extremely upset when anyone criticises it or me.
That said, the players are entitled to be paid and on time and at the present time that will only happen because of the financial support of myself.
Going forward, hopefully the club will become financially sustainable and not have to rely on funding from its shareholders. That has been my target from the outset and continues to be my aim. 
Paul Aldridge, Paul Holliday and myself met with the Supporters Trust last week and we had a very productive meeting where a number of matters were discussed.
We informed them that we have appealed the Asset of Community Value (ACV) which they have applied for.
We believe that the ACV will prevent us from obtaining the necessary future funding for us to reacquire the car parks and office space that were sold to Michael James prior to my arrival at the club.
I believe that it is crucial that Bolton Wanderers Football Club owns these assets going forward.
In regards to an update on the embargo situation, the accounts will be filed this week and these will greatly assist in our efforts to try and come out of said transfer embargo.
Likewise, a resolution of the BluMarble issue and Dean’s shares will also help us in coming out of it.
We were delighted meanwhile to bring in Will Buckley on a two-year deal on Friday.
Will is a very talented player with plenty of Championship experience and will add a lot of quality to our squad.
The manager and our recruitment team have been busy re-signing players on new deals and have also brought in some new faces.
This is still ongoing and we are in discussions with a number of players, agents and clubs. Both Phil Parkinson and I believe we will have a strong and competitive squad for next season and that we will surprise a few people along the way.
With a little over a month to go until the start of the season, season ticket sales and corporate hospitality packages continue to increase.
However, it is important that supporters and customers continue to back the squad. The more people that watch us perform in the Championship next year, the better it will be for the players on the pitch and also improves our financial hand in recruiting quality players to the squad.
I would urge you to consider buying a season ticket as based on the matchday prices, they have been substantially discounted and are excellent value for money in my opinion. For more details, please CLICK HERE.
Also, please keep an eye out over the next week when the club will be launching our new kit for the forthcoming season. Again, your support in buying official merchandise will help our financial position.
I was pleased to see Bolton Kia join our increasing portfolio of well-known blue chip companies associating themselves with Bolton Wanderers and special praise must go to our commercial team for their work over the summer.
As a result, the West Stand will be known as the Bolton Kia West Stand over the next couple of years.
Please keep an eye out on the Whites Hotel website and social media sites for the events which are being held on site over the coming months. Apart from being great events, these generate important revenue for the business as a whole.
Finally, it is not long until that opening match against Leeds United and I for one am excited to see the return of Championship football at Macron Stadium and what better way to kick off a new season than against such an iconic team who no doubt will be there or thereabouts at the end of the season and undoubtedly will bring a large fan support with them?
How good would it be to start the season like we finished the last with a virtually full house too?
I hope you get to see the team during pre-season meanwhile and I shall see you all at Macron Stadium on Sunday 6 August.
Kind regards,
Ken

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206 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 17:35

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Dean Moxey should be ashamed, moaning he didn't get his bonus on time.

If I'd been as poor as him I wouldn't have had the cheek to take a bonus, never mind moan about it being a few days late.

The Exeter fans seem to be joyous that he's returning - they clearly haven't realised he is utter shit. One of the worst signings of the last 5 years.

207 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 18:03

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i read Moxey's twitter feed and i bet he regretted commenting now, he got a roasting from Bolton fans  Very Happy

208 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 18:14

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I was discussing him with a Palace supporter yesterday,and he said he was a decent player down there. They must have sent us an lookalike.

209 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 18:43

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boltonbonce wrote:I was discussing him with a Palace supporter yesterday,and he said he was a decent player down there. They must have sent us an lookalike.

Old mate of mine from Exeter told me he was pretty good when we signed him. Funny old game.

210 Re: Ken Anderson - update. on Sun Jul 02 2017, 19:05

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Griping about a late bonus for bench warming most of the season, I mean ffs the cheek, good riddance to another of Freedmans fucking disasters !!!

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