David Cameron.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:Telling it as it is at the mo!
When did you last answer a question? I could ask you who you'd vote for tomorrow and know you wouldn't answer.

I said I'd vote for UKIP.

Do you know all their policies?

wanderlust wrote:When the election comes around I'll read all the promises, listen to all the rhetoric, watch all the interviews and try to work out what is both desirable and deliverable - usually about 10% of what is promised. Then I'll decide if it's worth voting for.

That's exactly what I'll do. You are bob on re. Thatcher and she'll get a state burial!
The quality of a country is how the government looks after it's disadvantaged, I wonder how many vote on that principle?

I don't really get this hatred towards people who went to Oxford and Eton.

If I had been smart enough to attend Oxford I bloody well would have, as would most on this forum.

There are plenty of 'good' down to earth people who went to Eton and Oxford.

Soul Kitchen wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:Telling it as it is at the mo!
When did you last answer a question? I could ask you who you'd vote for tomorrow and know you wouldn't answer.

I said I'd vote for UKIP.

Do you know all their policies?

Apart from immigration, not a single one.

Lofty_Love wrote:I don't really get this hatred towards people who went to Oxford and Eton.

If I had been smart enough to attend Oxford I bloody well would have, as would most on this forum.

There are plenty of 'good' down to earth people who went to Eton and Oxford.

Most of it stems from Jealously I'm sure but there is something to be said about the lawmakers of this country having at best a vague idea how "the other arf live"

but then if you flip it, would you want someone who knows absolutely nothing about economics/politics but has a strong understanding of what it's like to work for the min running the country?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:Telling it as it is at the mo!
When did you last answer a question? I could ask you who you'd vote for tomorrow and know you wouldn't answer.

I said I'd vote for UKIP.

Do you know all their policies?

Apart from immigration, not a single one.

At last someone who knows the UKIP immigration polices.
Great,could you please let us all know what they are.

Most people who go to Oxford or Cambridge get there due to privilege ie. private education, of which Eton falls into that bracket. It's not jealousy with me, I can't be doing with folk who look down their nose at you or think they are summat they're not, and there's a few of the latter with two bob in the bank who think they've made it!
Give me a pint of Tim Taylor's Landlord to a bottle of Bolly anyday!!

Rudyard Kipling summed up the class divide quite superbly.

IF.....

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Anyone catch the BBC News Channel this afternoon. We all had a good laugh at Nigel Farage - he was suited up in what can only be described as an Arthur Daley knock-off!!! He looked more like a second-hand car-dealer or a spiv rather than a so-called serious politician!

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Kipling was one of the greats.

This poem 'Tommy' is about a soldier returning from the first world war and the fickle nature of people


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I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

He made nice Cakes as well.

Trotter, 'If' is obviously a great piece of literature but nothing whatsoever to do with the class divide.

Cameron is clearly a man of the people. Read the following story from the BBC website and I challenge anyone not to admit the guy is just one of you regular folk:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-36359921

I bet the majority of the posters on here drive a better car than the PMs wife. So how about a bit of credit where it's due.

The country is in a better place now, than when he first took the job, so he's doing a good job.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Cameron is clearly a man of the people. Read the following story from the BBC website and I challenge anyone not to admit the guy is just one of you regular folk:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-36359921

I bet the majority of the posters on here drive a better car than the PMs wife. So how about a bit of credit where it's due.

 he's just a tightarse and all his real money is tied up in tax schemes no doubt. If he's a regular person then i'm the Queen of Sheba