i really resent the reaction I get when I say I am from Bolton to Southerners. I get oh so funny quips about flat caps, whippets, dark satanic mills. Or asked if I know Peter Kay cos I should tell him he really isn't funny. There is obviously a logical fallacy in me defending Bolton too much else I leave myself open to 'if it's that good, why don't you live there, then?'. It's also ok for Boltonians to slag it off, but not folk who have never been. I used to wax lyrical about things no longer there, so help me out, what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down?
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King Bill
rammywhite
wanderlust
Bolton Nuts
Norpig
finlaymcdanger
Bollotom2014
whatsgoingon
Natasha Whittam
Chairmanda
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1 If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 19:43
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
2 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 19:59
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Chairmanda wrote:what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
The road to Chorley?
3 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 20:11
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
Natasha Whittam wrote:Chairmanda wrote:what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
The road to Chorley?
4 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 20:32
whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
That would only be true if it was one way and you couldn't come backNatasha Whittam wrote:Chairmanda wrote:what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
The road to Chorley?
5 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 22:14
Bollotom2014
Andy Walker
Chairmanda wrote:i really resent the reaction I get when I say I am from Bolton to Southerners. I get oh so funny quips about flat caps, whippets, dark satanic mills. Or asked if I know Peter Kay cos I should tell him he really isn't funny. There is obviously a logical fallacy in me defending Bolton too much else I leave myself open to 'if it's that good, why don't you live there, then?'. It's also ok for Boltonians to slag it off, but not folk who have never been. I used to wax lyrical about things no longer there, so help me out, what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
Yep. Among the Landaners and Norfolk folk I always get the impression that they think I must have got here by accident. I honestly believe, in the main, it stems from "Them Norvern upstarts beating Arse, Chelski and The 'Ammers. Though I also get asked if I lived near Fred Dibnah as they say I speak like him.
6 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 01 2016, 22:36
finlaymcdanger
Frank Worthington
Look puzzled and use your most condescending tone to ask 'have you ever spent any time up in the North?'. Make the fuckers feel like the idiots they are because they have never been and have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
7 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Tue Aug 02 2016, 13:33
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
to be honest when i go back it gets worse every time, the town centre is a mess and the town in general is in decline. That's not just me saying this but the many people i keep in contact with who still live there (including all my family)
I only live in Manchester so i'm not that far away but the difference is massive, i honestly can't think of one thing that i could mention to show Bolton at its best and that saddens me greatly as i'm Bolton born and bred and lived there for the first 35 years of my life
I only live in Manchester so i'm not that far away but the difference is massive, i honestly can't think of one thing that i could mention to show Bolton at its best and that saddens me greatly as i'm Bolton born and bred and lived there for the first 35 years of my life
8 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Tue Aug 02 2016, 15:02
whatsgoingon
Frank Worthington
Say - "tha knows nowt" and pull a ferret out of your trousersChairmanda wrote:i really resent the reaction I get when I say I am from Bolton to Southerners. I get oh so funny quips about flat caps, whippets, dark satanic mills. Or asked if I know Peter Kay cos I should tell him he really isn't funny. There is obviously a logical fallacy in me defending Bolton too much else I leave myself open to 'if it's that good, why don't you live there, then?'. It's also ok for Boltonians to slag it off, but not folk who have never been. I used to wax lyrical about things no longer there, so help me out, what can I say that's positive, true, and shows Bolton at its best?
9 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Tue Aug 02 2016, 18:35
Bolton Nuts
Admin
I live in Bolton and it is shit.
I went down south for a bit recently and it was like a different counrty. I thought I was on holiday or like all the locals thought I was a foriegner.
I went down south for a bit recently and it was like a different counrty. I thought I was on holiday or like all the locals thought I was a foriegner.
10 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Wed Aug 03 2016, 12:55
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
This. I'm from the north of Bolton and still have a share in a house there and it's a beautiful part of the world so in Norfolk I tend to wax lyrical about the lakes, the reservoirs, the woods, forests and hills that they don't have around here to make it clear that they've missed out if they haven't been to Rivington, Belmont, Turton, Rammy, Affetside and the Bolton green belt.finlaymcdanger wrote:Look puzzled and use your most condescending tone to ask 'have you ever spent any time up in the North?'. Make the fuckers feel like the idiots they are because they have never been and have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
11 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Wed Aug 03 2016, 13:20
rammywhite
Frank Worthington
wanderlust wrote:This. I'm from the north of Bolton and still have a share in a house there and it's a beautiful part of the world so in Norfolk I tend to wax lyrical about the lakes, the reservoirs, the woods, forests and hills that they don't have around here to make it clear that they've missed out if they haven't been to Rivington, Belmont, Turton, Rammy, Affetside and the Bolton green belt.finlaymcdanger wrote:Look puzzled and use your most condescending tone to ask 'have you ever spent any time up in the North?'. Make the fuckers feel like the idiots they are because they have never been and have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
Glad you mentioned Rammy there- its a great little town . Its certainly not a tourist trap- just a good place to live.
To be honest,the Bolton I knew 40 years ago was also a great place to live,but now its just an embarrassment with the heart ripped out of it.
12 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 18:04
King Bill
David Lee
wanderlust wrote:
This. I'm from the north of Bolton and still have a share in a house there and it's a beautiful part of the world so in Norfolk I tend to wax lyrical about the lakes, the reservoirs, the woods, forests and hills that they don't have around here to make it clear that they've missed out if they haven't been to Rivington, Belmont, Turton, Rammy, Affetside and the Bolton green belt.
That's not really Bolton though is it, more the fringes. A couple of places you mentioned are not even in the Borough. Bolton's working class history lies in the heart of the town and in the tightly packed houses around it, and as has been said, it has had its heart ripped out. The town centre is on the decline, no matter how the so called town council try to "re-invent" it.
In a morning, traffic is generally going one way, and that is out of the town.
Other town centres have addressed their slide. Bury's one of them. Bolton's not, and I can't see it turning around anytime soon.
Such a shame.
13 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 18:18
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Anyone read Worktown? Interesting read.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Worktown-Astonishing-Project-launched-Observation/dp/1780227809/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471799826&sr=1-1&keywords=worktown
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Worktown-Astonishing-Project-launched-Observation/dp/1780227809/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471799826&sr=1-1&keywords=worktown
14 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 18:34
King Bill
David Lee
Does look a good read that bb, cheers. I'm still trying to get hold of 'A Grammar of the Dialect of the Bolton Area part 2'. Got part 1, but still searching for part 2.
15 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 18:36
Banks of the Croal
Frank Worthington
16 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 19:17
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Had a search on 'AbeBooks' and Bookfinder.com with no luck. Must be a copy out there somewhere.King Bill wrote:Does look a good read that bb, cheers. I'm still trying to get hold of 'A Grammar of the Dialect of the Bolton Area part 2'. Got part 1, but still searching for part 2.
I'll keep my eyes open.
17 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 20:42
King Bill
David Lee
Cheers bb
18 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 21:01
DEANO82
Tony Kelly
Is this not what you are looking for?boltonbonce wrote:Had a search on 'AbeBooks' and Bookfinder.com with no luck. Must be a copy out there somewhere.King Bill wrote:Does look a good read that bb, cheers. I'm still trying to get hold of 'A Grammar of the Dialect of the Bolton Area part 2'. Got part 1, but still searching for part 2.
I'll keep my eyes open.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=19693354414&searchurl=x%3D64%26y%3D10%26sts%3Dt%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Ddialect%2Bof%2Bbolton
Obviously wouldn't want to pay £135 for a book.
I use http://founditatlast.vpweb.co.uk/ who seems to be pretty good at finding rare books, and also sells Bolton fanzines (White Love) and videos, although only 1 he seems to have now is the Tranmere play-off match which I wouldn't want to buy.
19 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Sun Aug 21 2016, 22:14
King Bill
David Lee
Cheers Deano, £135 is a bit dear, gonna email the foundatlast site tomoz
20 Re: If you are an exile, what do you say when people run Bolton down? Mon Aug 22 2016, 11:43
Bollotom2014
Andy Walker
Here you go, Bill. Have a gander at these. They're in the main the author's own spellings, but some good examples there.
http://www.dunkerley-tuson.co.uk/pages/lancashiredialectpoemsindex.aspx
http://www.dunkerley-tuson.co.uk/pages/lancashiredialectpoemsindex.aspx
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