Brexit negotiations

Angry Dad wrote:Labour are even bigger scumbags so where does that leave the pissed off tory voter?

Lots of Labour voters are also pissed off with their party's role in this fiasco so I guess the question is whether or not anybody is electable? Personally I don't think they are because instead of taking responsibility and dealing with the reality of the situation all sides seem to be playing stupid power games.

May is obsessed with avoiding a split in the Tory party hence her pandering to the brexit loons and Corbyn is coming close to spliting the Labour party by refusing to back a second referendum. Corbyn is just as keen on brexit as May albeit a slightly softer version.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Gerry Taggart's header clearly crossed the line, it's a fooking outrage!

Might as well rename Bolton Nuts to The Brexit Forum!

I fear there might be some Labour haters on here.

Some of them probably think that is a documentary.

Angry Dad wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0

Man complains about alleged abuse by going on a 10 minute rant which consists of nothing but abuse of people who voted remain.

He never actually manages to support his reasons for voting to leave the EU with any actual evidence or facts though. So a pretty typical brexit fan really.

Angry Dad wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0

I often wondered if Pat Condell is a member of the IRA. OK he's a stand up comedian so you can't take everything he says at face value, but at the end of the day he is a (another) foreigner who spends a lot of his time espousing the benefits of Brexit and playing to the prejudices of English nationalists.
Perhaps it's he's just doing his bit for the IRA to finally f*** over the country he hates?

Yes but which version of brexit did he vote for lusty?

Angry Dad wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeDjrHdTsv8

"BLOOD THIRSTY BABY EATING MUSLIMS SLAUGHTER PENSIONERS"

Did HN do the subtitles?

Of course Colorado Boulder News who produced this are a spoof website who post real footage with controversial SHOCK HORROR subtitles purely to see if anyone is stupid enough to bite - as a few Brexiteers did on this one.

Here's there "expose" of the SHOCKING reason why the Beatles met with Cassius Clay...

Coming soon:

"JESUS ATE MY HAMSTER!"

Another rich brexiteer demonstrates his love for Britain by moving overseas after fucking the rest of us:

Britain's richest man is planning to avoid up to £4bn in UK taxes after moving his home and money to Monaco, the Sunday Times reports on its front page. Prominent Brexiteer Sir Jim Ratcliffe last week criticised the EU over its "stupid" green taxes.

A prominent Brexiteer is planning to avoid up to £4bn in UK taxes after moving his home and money to Monaco, the Sunday Times reports on its front page.

Sir Jim Radcliffe - who built up the chemicals giant Ineos and is Britain's richest man - has been working with accountants PwC on a "labyrinthine" tax avoidance plan, a source told the paper.

The front of the newspaper also features claims that Brexit supporting Conservative MPs have rejected attempts by Theresa May to get them to back her deal for leaving the EU.

It quotes leaked WhatsApp messages from the deputy chairman of the European Research Group of Tory MPs, Steve Baker, saying it insists the so-called backstop - to prevent the return of a hard border in Ireland - be removed from the Withdrawal Agreement. He says a failure to do so would lead to a split in the party.

Over a million employers have established auto-enrolment pensions for their workers since Cameron introduced the scheme and as of April, those workers will have an extra 2% taken out of their pay packets (up to 5%). Not sure of the total number of workers/families affected - but probably in excess of 10 million. Employers will also have to find another 1% match contribution (up to 3%)

Traditionally, pension contributions were collected via NI and Income Tax however those particular taxes won and lost elections so this form of stealth tax was preferred and is unlikely to have the same political effect as the Chancellor announcing e.g. a 2% rise in NI - even though that's effectively what's happening.

Obviously NI and Income Tax are used for other things apart from pensions but they remain at existing levels and at the same time workers will have to cough up an additional 2% of their pay packets whichever way you stack it up.

As for Employers, their contribution to workers' pensions is an allowable expense for tax purposes, but will they will nonetheless need to generate the additional profit to cover the outlay.

Story here.

wanderlust wrote:Over a million employers have established auto-enrolment pensions for their workers since Cameron introduced the scheme and as of April, those workers will have an extra 2% taken out of their pay packets (up to 5%). Not sure of the total number of workers/families affected - but probably in excess of 10 million. Employers will also have to find another 1% match contribution (up to 3%)

Traditionally, pension contributions were collected via NI and Income Tax however those particular taxes won and lost elections so this form of stealth tax was preferred and is unlikely to have the same political effect as the Chancellor announcing e.g. a 2% rise in NI - even though that's effectively what's happening.

Obviously NI and Income Tax are used for other things apart from pensions but they remain at existing levels and at the same time workers will have to cough up an additional 2% of their pay packets whichever way you stack it up.

As for Employers, their contribution to workers' pensions is an allowable expense for tax purposes, but will they will nonetheless need to generate the additional profit to cover the outlay.

Story here.

What has this to do with brexit?

xmiles wrote:

wanderlust wrote:Over a million employers have established auto-enrolment pensions for their workers since Cameron introduced the scheme and as of April, those workers will have an extra 2% taken out of their pay packets (up to 5%). Not sure of the total number of workers/families affected - but probably in excess of 10 million. Employers will also have to find another 1% match contribution (up to 3%)

Traditionally, pension contributions were collected via NI and Income Tax however those particular taxes won and lost elections so this form of stealth tax was preferred and is unlikely to have the same political effect as the Chancellor announcing e.g. a 2% rise in NI - even though that's effectively what's happening.

Obviously NI and Income Tax are used for other things apart from pensions but they remain at existing levels and at the same time workers will have to cough up an additional 2% of their pay packets whichever way you stack it up.

As for Employers, their contribution to workers' pensions is an allowable expense for tax purposes, but will they will nonetheless need to generate the additional profit to cover the outlay.

Story here.

What has this to do with brexit?

Fair point. At first I thought the relevance was the timing of this inasmuch that it will compound the problems of those who will be worst affected by Brexit, but on reflection it probably won't affect the wages packets of many as they'll be unemployed before long anyway. But you're probably right - it should really be in the Stealth Tax thread.

This is what happens on a pro-brexit demo - the morons attack emergency workers!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47270935

Tommy Robinson's mates.

Looks to be about 13 people there.

These are the people who will "take to the streets" when brexit doesn't happen.

Every other leave voter will just get on with it.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Tommy Robinson's mates.

Looks to be about 13 people there.

These are the people who will "take to the streets" when brexit doesn't happen.

Every other leave voter will just get on with it.

Miah Levy has already taken to the streets.

The John Oliver take on Brexit. Eight minutes in if you can't wait.