Bury owner: The way EFL treated us, compared to Bolton, is unbelievable

Sluffy wrote:
Clearly you've never heard of Confirmation Bias then!

Whilst looking it up you should also read up on Believe Perseverance and Illusory Correlation too, as you along with the vast majority have done/still doing all three.


I do know that I'm just wasting my breath once again - see Believe Perseverance.

Ah back to being the King of condescension then! Knew you couldn't keep it up

Sluffy you don't seem to have any grasp of what my belief is on the matter judging by the tripe you reply with. It's almost as if you don't read posts.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:

Sluffy wrote:
Clearly you've never heard of Confirmation Bias then!

Whilst looking it up you should also read up on Believe Perseverance and Illusory Correlation too, as you along with the vast majority have done/still doing all three.


I do know that I'm just wasting my breath once again - see Believe Perseverance.

Ah back to being the King of condescension then! Knew you couldn't keep it up

Sluffy you don't seem to have any grasp of what my belief is on the matter judging by the tripe you reply with. It's almost as if you don't read posts.

No, I give you the respect of reading all your posts, even though you have stated you don't read mine.

I'm apparently all sorts to different people on here apparently, you say I'm condescending, Norpig tells me I'm patronising, etc, etc.  

As I have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances in real life, a number I've known from school days, I know I don't have any socialising problems and as a teacher or life mentor that I have been asked to carry out in the past, know that my interpersonal skills have been sought out to help others, so I don't care what label someone I don't know on the internet wishes to tag me with.  

I don't have to know what your belief on the matter is.

You posted that Anderson was a 'slimy toerag'  before he got here and is it any wonder that he behaved accordingly since he arrived too.

I merely pointed out that if you knew about Confirmation Bias you wouldn't have posted that up as a point of validity and the fact you did showed that you clearly wasn't aware of it at all or you did know and you were just trolling.

You either showed your ignorance of the bias along with most everybody else, or are just playing games and seeking a reaction.

Moving on, as I keep saying if people had wider knowledge they could make better decisions.

I'm professionally trained and have decades of experience in how companies run and have a working knowledge of both company accounts and human behaviour (both elements of being a Company Secretary) and consequently I can see a different side to Anderson's reign than most who don't have such training and knowledge.

I've merely tried to enlighten people but clearly they don't wish to be.

He's a cunt who fucked off with all the money is clearly the level they want to remain at.

Fine, I'll leave them to there ignorance then, they seem to be happy with it after all.

Perfectly possible to be patronising and condescending, two very similar personality types.

I said Anderson had a record of being a slimy toe rag - I don’t know him well enough to know if he is - how would you describe his business history?

Who are you referring to when you say ‘they’, who’s being ‘ignorant’?

Your posts never seem to relate to what you’re being asked, it feels as if you’re venting at an audience who aren’t on this site to me. Which begs the question of why you’re choosing to do it on here.

I warned Norpig what would happen when he posted about Ken.

But rather than delete his post he settled back and wore out his fishing rod watching ALF porn.

boltonbonce wrote:'You posted that Anderson was a 'slimy toerag'  before he got here and is it any wonder that he behaved accordingly since he arrived too.'


Well Sluffy, at least you agree he behaved like a slimy toerag.

Sorry Bonce, I didn't.

I simply paraphrased back to TROY what he had posted in the first place.

Owners don't buy businesses to be liked, they do so to make money.

I didn't start this forum (with two others) because I wanted to be liked (just as well really) I did so hoping it be a bit of fun that people would join in with.

With Brexit and Anderson brining nutjobs to the fore, that didn't last for long and now football as had to be put on the backburner all we've got left to talk about is coronavirus which is grim in itself - as it happens I'm just watching an ambulance having been parked for half an hour or more across the street at a neighbours house, hope everything is as ok as it can be for them.

Anderson didn't think, 'I know I'll buy BWFC, hoping to turn it around and sell it on for a profit, not get caught with my pants down by putting my personal money in the club whilst I know it can't pay me back, but will cut as much fat away and hold on to the cash flow as long as I'm able to, until I find a buyer, and all the while everyone will love me for it, even though people are already queueing up calling me a toerag and I've not actually even bought the club yet!'.

Norpig wasn't fishing, he's made his view on Anderson abundantly clear many times and in doing so ignored everything I've tried to explain on how and why things happened as they did.

As I can't be seen to be right in what I say, even though I've been saying them virtually alone for the last three years whilst everybody else thought differently, it must just be that it was some sort of a lucky guess/it was just my opinion/I just interpreted things to suit my point of view, etc, etc, that things have more or less turned out as I said they would namely Anderson didn't rape the club to line his pockets nor sell off (non existing) assets either and did what he had to, to keep the club going as long as he could knowing it to be insolvent and running on fumes.

Not that it makes much difference to me, I don't win a prize or anything for being right on the internet, I merely did it to help others better understand.

I've learned my lesson though I won't be doing anything like that again.

Anyway the ambulance has left and they haven't been in their 'suits' or taken anybody away.

Thank God for that one small mercy if nothing else.

Perhaps we should put Ken to bed. Or not.

For the record Sluffy i haven't ignored your explanations, i just see things differently. You go on about him not having to pay for things out of his own pocket which is legally correct but morally stinks.

 Also he did buy the club hoping for a quick profit but he got caught out. Believe it or not i had no issue with that when he first came in but the way he ran the club when the shit hit the fan left a lot to be desired.

Football is not like any other business and shouldn't be compared to how a normal business runs. there's too much emotion and history wrapped up in clubs not to mention the supporters.

Norpig wrote:For the record Sluffy i haven't ignored your explanations, i just see things differently. You go on about him not having to pay for things out of his own pocket which is legally correct but morally stinks.

 Also he did buy the club hoping for a quick profit but he got caught out. Believe it or not i had no issue with that when he first came in but the way he ran the club when the shit hit the fan left a lot to be desired.

Football is not like any other business and shouldn't be compared to how a normal business runs. there's too much emotion and history wrapped up in clubs not to mention the supporters.

No mate, that's exactly the point you and nearly everybody else goes wrong - it IS like every other business.

It has to trade in the same way as everyone one else does, it has to 'earn' more than it 'spends' otherwise it goes bust.

It's as simple as that.

'History' doesn't count for anything, Thomas Cook the travel agents were founded in 1841 - thirty years before BWFC - but when it couldn't pay it's bills it went bust - nobody cared about it's history when they couldn't make any money from it.

'Emotions' don't count for anything in the business world either, some people loved 'Woolworth's', 'Preston's of Bolton' and even 'Bury Football Club' but it counted for nothing when they could no longer pay their way.

As for 'supporters' that is just another name for 'customers' and if there simply aren't enough customers wanting to buy the product to enable the business (club) to cover its costs, then it simply will go bust.

You probably think I'm cold hearted, maybe I am, but that's how it works - and that's why you and others simply don't 'get it'.

Make no mistake that if FV can't cover their costs then sooner or later when they reach the limit they've set themselves, they will pull out to - and who wants to buy football clubs right now?

Football IS a business.

Businesses need to earn more than they spend.

Football has lived in a bubble for sometime now but for clubs outside the Premier League the bubble is bursting and clubs (players wages) can't be covered from what the clubs earn each year.

If this virus prevents clubs earning vital money from gate receipts (there's already talk of crowds not being allowed into grounds until at least next year) and the EFL can't find someway of 'giving' (not loaning) money to these clubs to keep trading, then some clubs WILL go out of business, irrespective of their history, or how emotional their supporters are.

Players 'could' help a great deal by taking a pay cut but despite all the 'glitz and spin' that the PR companies are doing on their behalf, the vast majority won't do that.

Even some of the big clubs in the Premier League are starting to get worried.

That's why they are so desperate to get the league going again just to get the Sky money flowing again (or rather not to have to refund what they've already received up front from them) - they certainly aren't doing it just to please their fans!

Football IS a business.

People need to understand and accept that otherwise they are just in denial of what it is all about and how it actually works.

I can see your point Sluffy but as sad as Thomas Cook going out of business was it wouldn't be mourned like a club like ours or Bury folding, football is about emotion and loyalty (from a fans perspective anyway).

I know that i would have been extremely gutted if we had gone out of business like Bury as i've invested so much of the last 33 years in following them.

Norpig wrote:I can see your point Sluffy but as sad as Thomas Cook going out of business was it wouldn't be mourned like a club like ours or Bury folding, football is about emotion and loyalty (from a fans perspective anyway).

I know that i would have been extremely gutted if we had gone out of business like Bury as i've invested so much of the last 33 years in following them.

Quite right. When my local newsagent successfully procures my Slipper Monthly magazine, I don't start jumping up and down, whilst punching the air in delight.
Whatever life hits me with, I've always had the comfort blanket of the Wanderers to cling to, and cling I have.
Foolish? Maybe. But look into the eyes of those supporters attending the last match at Burnden, then tell me it's just another business. 
It's so much more.

boltonbonce wrote:

Norpig wrote:I can see your point Sluffy but as sad as Thomas Cook going out of business was it wouldn't be mourned like a club like ours or Bury folding, football is about emotion and loyalty (from a fans perspective anyway).

I know that i would have been extremely gutted if we had gone out of business like Bury as i've invested so much of the last 33 years in following them.

Quite right. When my local newsagent successfully procures my Slipper Monthly magazine, I don't start jumping up and down, whilst punching the air in delight.
Whatever life hits me with, I've always had the comfort blanket of the Wanderers to cling to, and cling I have.
Foolish? Maybe. But look into the eyes of those supporters attending the last match at Burnden, then tell me it's just another business. 
It's so much more.

It is so much more to you, Norpig and several thousand more, I don't think anyone is disputing that but in the cold light of day if you, Norpig and the several thousand others don't put into the club enough to what the club pays out to keep running then there's only going to be one inevitable outcome.

Eddie artificially kept the club going from his pocket and wrote off £200m but even now the new owners FV are still carrying around the millstone of a debt of £7.5m to his estate, that they clearly haven't the funds to pay off.

Andy Holt the Accrington owner tweeted that Sharon told him we are losing £400k per month and the won't be recovered even if we did complete the season behind closed doors.

At the end of June we can lose most of the players wages when their contracts are up but what about next season, when will it start, will it be behind closed doors, what wages can we pay, if so how many players do we get in and what income will we have to pay them?

Things are looking grim and we are in a lucky place in that nearly all our players will be off the books at the end of June whilst most other clubs will still have theirs to pay over summer.

I'm a little surprised that some haven't gone bust already, Macclesfield must be close, Oldham too by all accounts.

International air companies are teetering on the edge BA has started making people redundant and saying they may well not use Gatwick in future to cut costs, they like any other business have to make sure income covers costs of running the business otherwise they will go bust.

BWFC is a business in the same way as like BA is - people have got to understand that.

As long as it's got enough money to pay its bills it will survive, if it doesn't it won't, it's as simple as that.

How deep are FV prepared to dig into their pocket is the key question because we certainly aren't going to survive for long with no gate receipts.