Ipswich 1-0 Bolton

wanderlust wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wanderlust wrote:And the premise of the discussion is wouldn't we be where we are now if Freedman had been allowed to stay and execute HIS plan? Fact is you don't know - none of us do. We've no idea if he'd have given debuts to youngsters by now or who he would have brought in.

Absolute garbage.

He'd had more than 18 months to implement his so-called plan. After 18 months we were bottom of the league. Where is the evidence we'd have suddenly shot up the league? I'll tell you where it is - in your fat head.

Anyone unlucky enough to watch BWFC under Freedman will know it was turgid stuff, absolutely dire, the worst football imaginable. Evidence suggests if we'd kept him as manager we'd be in the bottom 3 right now.

And as for your notion that Freedman would have picked Clough, Walker etc. Bullshit. He had numerous opportunities when we had injuries but chose to go into the loan market for more pisspoor players.

He was a shit manager, the worst, and I'll bet you anything we are a force next season under Lennon.

You point to evidence where there is none. We could be top of the league with a 10 point advantage for all you know. You're guessing and you know it. You do it because you led from the rear to give Freedman a kicking when he was down and now you're embarrassed because Lennon has still not got enough points for us to be statistically safe whereas as Dougie has kicked ass at Forest.
If you want to quote facts in a shouty voice then LENNON'S RESULTS ARE WORSE THAN DOUGIE'S at this stage of their relative tenures so maybe you want to hang fire on judging our Neil until he's had another chance to sign his own players and a second season under his belt.

When will you start to realise that you know f*** all about what's happening behind the scenes at the club, what is said and what players do in training so all your surmise about "what Dougie is thinking" or "what Neil is thinking" is 100% pure speculation.

It all boils down to one simple fact. You and your "followers" don't like Freedman anymore even though you were ready to have his babies the previous season. Lennon you can tolerate for now - but you'll be planting your knife between his shoulder blades at the first opportunity as usual.


Also noticed your writing style changes when you get into the emotive subject of our previous manager. Reminds me of another one of your "characters" who spouts similarly foundless subjective shite on this topic.

And Bread....thanks for dragging this old chestnut up again you shit-stirring ****.

Boggersbelief wrote:I think you're insulting the intelligence of fellow bolton fans that more than likely see more games than you do, wanderlust.

The fans will give a manager time if they see signs of the club moving in the right direction, dougie was given more than enough time to turn it around yet still displayed his arrogance by not changing the style of play, continuing to freeze out the youth and dropping players in form, all because he thought he had some master plan.

So far under lennon the results have been similar to Freedmans first season but hes dealing with an enormous injury problem.. he's dealt with it superbly by integrating the likes of clough, vela and walker.. Players that would not have got a sniff under freedman.

I have a lot more confidence now than I ever did with doog, you fail to remember the shocking records he was breaking and the first couple of months of this very season.. He had us looking like relegation certs and capped it all off by claiming the players HE brought in weren't good enough. 

NL is a winner and will only take us forward, whether you like it or not.

bwfc1874 wrote:Surprised anybody's arguing the point that a bad run of results would see a lot of Lennon's biggest fans turn on him, most football fans are fickle. Regardless of the situation a club finds itself in, failing to get results only brings one thing for managers.

wanderlust wrote:

I'm not.

Norpig wrote:Yes it was exciting in Dougies first season, but thats where it ended. Last season was awful from day one and this season started out in exactly the same way. The football on offer was also awful, all that hoping to score 1 and then defend at all costs was rubbish and he had no other way of playing. Add this to his refusal to even try the young players meant he had to go.

The fact that Lennon has got us out of the bottom 3 with all the injuries we've had bodes well for when he can finally get some of these players back and his own players in the summer.

Breadman wrote:I've noticed something too.

You two always appear about two minutes apart on here and post largely similar opinions.

Just an observation, please don't ban me again.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Get down to the game tomorrow, and despite a crippling injury list you'll see a team play more football in the first 10 minutes than Freedman's Bolton played in 3 months.