Donald Trump for President of the USA

We think we're in a state with the quality of people we have standing in our elections but you have to say that our cousins over the pond are in an even sorrier state if the information we are getting is anything to go by.

Very true, and all we see is a divided country, with nothing good going for it. Hopefully, once they get past this election, things will settle down, (much like Brexit, although our future is much less troublesome than theirs). 
Whether we like them or not, we need America strong, and back on the world stage. I genuinely believe Obama's foreign policies has seriously dented their chances of attaining that, for some time.

Trump's thrill at abusing women is confirmed by his appalling abuse of Hillary.

You have to be careful what you believe when told by the mainstream media.  On both sides of the pond the media is biased to the left for the most part. It's sound bites and text taken way out of context etc. etc.

Lets say you are shouting abuse from the Nat Lofthouse stand during a game and somebody is taping you......years later you run for office and the tape magically appears..... what a nasty bloke you must be obviously. 
One president has been proven to receive blow jobs in the white house and multiple affairs and even accused of rape. Nowt said.    
Unfortunately the man in the street doesn't know or care to get the facts straight....that's how elections are won these days.
My prediction is a Hilary win in the end but it will be closer that the numskulls on TV think.

okocha wrote:Trump's thrill at abusing women is confirmed by his appalling abuse of Hillary.

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised by this. Trump is a deeply unpleasant individual with some disturbing views.

On the other hand Clinton is clearly dishonest and I have yet to meet an American that has a good word to say about her.

It goes with the territory.

xmiles wrote:

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised by this. Trump is a deeply unpleasant individual with some disturbing views.

On the other hand Clinton is clearly dishonest and I have yet to meet an American that has a good word to say about her.

But does the fact he's a sexist pig have any bearing on his ability to lead?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised by this. Trump is a deeply unpleasant individual with some disturbing views.

On the other hand Clinton is clearly dishonest and I have yet to meet an American that has a good word to say about her.

But does the fact he's a sexist pig have any bearing on his ability to lead?

Correct .....

Also can somebody explain to me how Billy Boy Clinton a man in public office can cheat on his wife multiple times,  have a right old good time in the oval office...and even today has an eye for the ladies....yet you'd  be hard pressed to find a woman who doesn't like him ..... can anybody say double standard ?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:

The only surprise is that some people are still surprised by this. Trump is a deeply unpleasant individual with some disturbing views.

On the other hand Clinton is clearly dishonest and I have yet to meet an American that has a good word to say about her.

But does the fact he's a sexist pig have any bearing on his ability to lead?

Well, he'd be hard pressed to lead females, who are presumably sickened by his attitudes! (= approx half the US population)

okocha wrote:Well, he'd be hard pressed to lead females, who are presumably sickened by his attitudes! (= approx half the US population)

Maybe, but I'm guessing the majority of politicians are nasty people behind closed doors.

Not sure something he said over 10 years ago in private should matter.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

okocha wrote:Well, he'd be hard pressed to lead females, who are presumably sickened by his attitudes! (= approx half the US population)

Maybe, but I'm guessing the majority of politicians are nasty people behind closed doors.

Not sure something he said over 10 years ago in private should matter.

The point is.....he's still being abusive to females, calling Hilary the devil etc. just yesterday! The man has no respect for women, including his own wife.

And the phrase he used about grabbing a woman by the p...y is NOT something commonly heard or used in male conversations in locker rooms or bars.

okocha wrote:
The point is.....he's still being abusive to females, calling Hilary the devil etc. just yesterday! The man has no respect for women, including his own wife.

And the phrase he used about grabbing a woman by the p...y is NOT something commonly heard or used in male conversations in locker rooms or bars.

But how does that have any bearing on how he deals with, for example, Putin or immigration?

He's a nasty guy, we agree on that, but something he said in private doesn't make him a bad leader.

And I'm sorry, but I hear that sort of language in pubs and restaurants every weekend.

I think Nat has a valid point. Trump is obnoxious but what is more important is his policies. Other Republicans, including those criticising Trump, would be more likely to introduce legislation which is hostile to women such as restricting abortion or women's rights. Far more disturbing are some of his other policy statements like claiming that he would make Mexico pay for building a wall along the border.

Still as the Brexit campaign showed you can go a long way with blatant lies (£350m for the NHS, Turkey joining the EU, etc).

xmiles wrote: Far more disturbing are some of his other policy statements like claiming that he would make Mexico pay for building a wall along the border.

Ok, he's never going to get Mexico to pay for a wall, but a wall would make it a lot easier to police the border.

A loose cannon such as Trump with his wild pronouncements could never be a wise leader. Quite the opposite.....he would be a dangerous liability. He is uncivilised and boorish, the exact opposite of the dignified Obama who has done his best to change the obscene gun culture, for example. 

Trump is liable to upset other world leaders: simply not statesmanlike. In fact, I can't think of any redeeming features which would make him fit to lead a superpower. I'm amazed that any sane person could seek to defend him.

okocha wrote: I'm amazed that any sane person could seek to defend him.

I just did. What's your point?

Trump is just a symptom of something much more worrying in my mind, people have got bored with the status quo of the centre ground and are turning to more extreme politics, in the UK this has manifested itself in the growing popularity of the SNP and the brexit vote as well as the popularity of individuals like Corbyn and Farage.

similar is happening across Europe with the rise of far right parties in france and Germany which is influencing centre ground politics and in Russia the popularity of Putin and his policy of restoring the country to it's former glory by annexing former parts of the soviet union.

The problem is that as these figures gain more popularity the more likely that we will end up with polar opposites sat around the major decision making tables, and that will have one of two effects, in the best case nothing will get done, in the worst case it will lead to greater tension and conflict.

Can you imagine a UN security meeting with Corbyn, Putin and Trump?

The world is fast becoming a polarised and dangerous place.

Fabians Right Peg wrote:

Can you imagine a UN security meeting with Corbyn, Putin and Trump?

Nope, I simply can't imagine Corbyn being Prime Minister.

Robert De Niro is less than impressed....