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1 Fleetwood 2-0 Bolton (pre-season friendly) on Sat Jul 22 2017, 15:09

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Howard
A Taylor
Dervite
Beevers
Wheater
Vela 
Karacan
Ameobi
Buckley 
Madine
Darby

Triallist on the bench  assuming it's still the Swiss guy.

Early pressure from Fleetwood.

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Andy Walker
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1-0 and almost 2-0 Fleetwood

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Need to improve a lot second half. They scored in the 18th minute and we haven't really threatened since. A couple of decent runs from Ameobi and a couple of pots from distance from Vela isn't anything like a consistent attacking threat.

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From Fleetwood's official twitter site -

For those asking, we are providing FREE audio commentary from today's game with @OfficialBWFC!

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Andy Walker
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2-0 and we are not even at the game!

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
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Wanderers succumbed to their first reverse of pre-season after Fleetwood Town recorded a 2-0 win at Highbury.

Goals in each half from Jordy Hiwula and Conor McAleny ensured the Cod Army marched home with a victory in basking hot sunshine on the Lancashire coast.

The starting XI contained Wanderers’ strongest line-up of the pre-season so far with Jem Karacan recovering from the knock he picked up against Fylde.

Wanderers got underway with a 3-5-2 formation but found themselves defending a corner within a minute of kicking off.

The 1,000-strong fans, some of whom were bedecked in the brand new purple away kit, were in fine voice from the onset.

The hosts should have taken the lead when a cross came in from the right hand side, but Jordy Hiwula prodded wide from close range whilst under pressure from Dorian Dervite.

During the opening exchanges, Fleetwood appeared to be the more threatening of the two sides.

Bobby Grant saw a right footed curler deflect for a corner after Wanderers lost possession in attack.

The opening goal came after 18 minutes thanks to a header from the unmarked Hiwula who polished off Amari’I Bell’s cross.

McAleny’s shot from distance went wide as the Cod Army looked to increase their lead and capitalise on their dominance.

The visitors’ first attempt came just after the half-hour mark after some clever play from Ameobi found Vela whose left-footer curled over Alex Cairns’ cross bar.

No changes were made to the Wanderers team as they came out for the second half.

Hiwula wasted a glorious chance to double his tally moments after the restart when he was put through by Bobby Grant. But the frontman fired wide with only Howard to beat.

McAleny was the next to try and increase the hosts’ lead only to see his low drive deflect for a corner.

Parkinson made his first change of the afternoon bringing on Adam Armstrong and Adam le Fondre for Ameobi and Buckley just after the hour.

The double change immediately saw Wanderers become more potent as an attacking force, winning three corners in quick succession.

But the visitors left themselves with a mountain to climb after McAleny’s deflected strike from distance curled in past Howard.

And their afternoon was summed up when Le Fondre put the ball over the bar after some neat work from Karacan in winning possession.

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Fleetwood Town returned to Highbury in a fine fashion as they comfortably beat Sky Bet Championship side Bolton Wanderers 2-0.

Two new signings – Jordy Hiwula and Conor McAleny – both opened their accounts for Town with a goal in each half.

Uwe Rosler named four summer signings in his starting 11. Hiwula, McAleny, Kyle Dempsey and Lewie Coyle all were in from the start.

Town started brightly as Coyle broke down the right side and his low cross was just diverted wide by Hiwula, who could have opened the scoring after three minutes.

Both sides cancelled each other out in the opening quarter, before Hiwula got the goal he and Town deserved. Amari’i Bell created room down the left for himself, before whipping in a perfect cross from the former Bradford City striker to head home.

Josh Vela had a shot in anger for the away side, who never got a look-in during the opening stanza.

The second half started in the same way the first did, with Town looking good in possession and Bolton not really threatening.

McAleny gave the Cod Army a taste of what might to be come with a stunning second half strike. Picking the ball up 25 yards out, he curled the ball past Mark Howard and into the top corner to double the lead for Town. A stunning goal.

Town saw out the game well as they continue their preparations for the new season.

Fleetwood: Cairns, Coyle, Bell, Eastham, Pond, Hiwula, Dempsey, McAleny, Grant, Bolger, Glendon. Subs (used): Burns, Nirennold, Cole, Hunter.

Bolton: Howard, Taylor, Dervite, Beevers, Vela, Karacan, Ameobi, Buckley, Madine, Darby, Wheater. Subs (used): Le Fondre, Osede, Armstrong, Pratley.

Attendance: 2,541

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wanderlust

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If Parky comes out and says he was pleased by individual performances and wants to take the positives from the game, I'll be having a crisis of confidence. 
Please don't do it Parky.....

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It's a shit team, I think today shows that it's no better than it was last season when we limped over the line for promotion.

I can see nothing but relegation by Christmas.

Glad I support Chorley.

Fabians Right Peg

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Problem was in the midfield today not sure what was happening, Ameobi seemed to shift all over the place, Karacan and vela where no existent in the first half and generally we looked lethargic and slow to every ball.

Seemed to me that Parkinson was trying to put square pegs in round holes.

Armstrong looked sharp when he came on but that was the only positive.

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Fabians Right Peg wrote:Seemed to me that Parkinson was trying to put square pegs in round holes.


It's been the failing of virtually every Bolton manager since Allardyce.

It comes down to ego.

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I would have thought our goal this season was to stay up and to this end I would have thought Parkinson would look to make us difficult to concede goals.

I can't fathom therefore why he's gone a bit overboard in bringing in all the wingers he has?

It seems he must be intending to play them and thus will need a target man to hit (Madine being the only one to fit this role).

He's also brought in ALF and Armstrong, so he obviously fancies one of them starting as well.

So if you have four at the back (why have three and two wingbacks if you have got all those wingers he's just brought in), two wingers and two up front - that only leaves two players to control the pitch from the edge of our box to the edge of theirs.

I can't see anyone able to do that with who we have got, so the team to my way of looking at it, simply has no engine room.

Even if we got Spearing back, that wouldn't make any difference imo - we are simply soft throughout the centre of the pitch.

If we are going to go with two wingers then we've got to sacrifice one of the strikers to strengthen up the midfield and Mardine up front on his own won't be good enough at Championship level.

Maybe we are only a half built team so far - and the West Ham boys might be part of the answer - but for now I don't see a lot of wins for our team this season.

There is however plenty time to bring players in yet.



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Sluffy wrote:I would have thought our goal this season was to stay up and to this end I would have thought Parkinson would look to make us difficult to concede goals.

I can't fathom therefore why he's gone a bit overboard in bringing in all the wingers he has?

It seems he must be intending to play them and thus will need a target man to hit (Madine being the only one to fit this role).

He's also brought in ALF and Armstrong, so he obviously fancies one of them starting as well.

So if you have four at the back (why have three and two wingbacks if you have got all those wingers he's just brought in), two wingers and two up front - that only leaves two players to control the pitch from the edge of our box to the edge of theirs.

I can't see anyone able to do that with who we have got, so the team to my way of looking at it, simply has no engine room.

Even if we got Spearing back, that wouldn't make any difference imo - we are simply soft throughout the centre of the pitch.

If we are going to go with two wingers then we've got to sacrifice one of the strikers to strengthen up the midfield and Mardine up front on his own won't be good enough at Championship level.

Maybe we are only a half built team so far - and the West Ham boys might be part of the answer - but for now I don't see a lot of wins for our team this season.

There is however plenty time to bring players in yet.




Survial Sluffy... survival. Hopefully we will play a lot better than we did today. Parky cannot be happy after today's match.

Sluffy

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observer wrote:
Sluffy wrote:I would have thought our goal this season was to stay up and to this end I would have thought Parkinson would look to make us difficult to concede goals.

I can't fathom therefore why he's gone a bit overboard in bringing in all the wingers he has?

It seems he must be intending to play them and thus will need a target man to hit (Madine being the only one to fit this role).

He's also brought in ALF and Armstrong, so he obviously fancies one of them starting as well.

So if you have four at the back (why have three and two wingbacks if you have got all those wingers he's just brought in), two wingers and two up front - that only leaves two players to control the pitch from the edge of our box to the edge of theirs.

I can't see anyone able to do that with who we have got, so the team to my way of looking at it, simply has no engine room.

Even if we got Spearing back, that wouldn't make any difference imo - we are simply soft throughout the centre of the pitch.

If we are going to go with two wingers then we've got to sacrifice one of the strikers to strengthen up the midfield and Mardine up front on his own won't be good enough at Championship level.

Maybe we are only a half built team so far - and the West Ham boys might be part of the answer - but for now I don't see a lot of wins for our team this season.

There is however plenty time to bring players in yet.




Survial Sluffy... survival.  Hopefully we will play a lot better than we did today.  Parky cannot be happy after today's match.  

I agree Obs - in fact that was what my post was about. I just can't fathom what Parkinson's thinking is of bringing in all these wide men - which to me makes us weak in the middle of the pitch?

No doubt all will be revealed in good time.

wanderlust

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When reality bites, perspectives change and at this juncture I refer you to Nat's comments when I suggested survival was the target - weeks ago.
However today's reality must surely have struck home with Parky and I guess it's now important how he'll react to the game. 

It's only a game, but it's a game that Parky clearly expected his new team to win.

Fabians Right Peg

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Sluffy wrote:So if you have four at the back (why have three and two wingbacks if you have got all those wingers he's just brought in),


That was the problem yesterday, we played three at the back two wing backs and Buckley and Ameobi. that left Vela and Karacan too exposed and when Madine did win a flick on Ameobi and Buckley failed to be there in support as they drifted wide quite a lot as you would expect.

The shape was wrong and I think Parkinson has been bringing in the best players he can and is now struggling to find a system, Bruce is another example of this, good player but we have two decent centre halves and sufficient cover so why bring him in?

Think we will see lots of tinkering this year with the way we play, hopefully it is a sign of the way Parkinson has had to operate with the signings. and not a case that he is a budding Ranieri.

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Wouldn't worry about it, its just a pre-season friendly, big Sam regularly got beat by lower teams, generally the worse we did in pre-season the better we fared in the league, that is until Owen and Dougie came in and broke the trend and we were just shit all the time, remember Coyle taking us to  a game at Portsmouth who couldn't even cobble a team together and were on the verge of going out of business, and we got fucking battered, think we will be safe this season.

Natasha Whittam

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Nat Lofthouse
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Get a grip Bryan you bellend, of course it matters. Parky put out his best team and we got battered. It destroys confidence in both players and fans.

I've gone from expecting promotion by Christmas to relegation by Christmas.

And I'll say it again - Ameobi is a luxury we cannot afford. As Newcastle and Cardiff can testify.

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Tony Kelly
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Didn't matter to Sam and we ended up in Europe, I'll wait ten games before I start chanting Parky out, after all they are only Mickey Mouse Games and the players are probably still recovering from their assault and battery inflicted by Chorley (Shameful) Mad Mad Mad Very Happy

Natasha Whittam

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bryan458 wrote:Didn't matter to Sam and we ended up in Europe, I'll wait ten games before I start chanting Parky out, after all they are only Mickey Mouse Games and the players are probably still recovering from their assault and battery inflicted by Chorley (Shameful) Mad Mad Mad Very Happy

I am still waiting to hear back from FIFA and Simon Cowell regarding that shameless result.

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Friendlies are just that, nothing games, no player is going to give their all risking serious injury, the proof of the pudding as Bryan said wait until we are 10 games in to see if we are cutting it.

Natasha Whittam

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MartinBWFC wrote:Friendlies are just that, nothing games, no player is going to give their all risking serious injury, the proof of the pudding as Bryan said wait until we are 10 games in to see if we are cutting it.

Bullshit. I'll give Parky one game before I hurl abuse at him.

If we don't beat Leeds he has to go.

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Best get used to it ......  away games this season will likely be horror stories.  With our financials we can't do much. Freebies and loanees are exactly that. We haven't had players in midfield who can put their foot on the ball in years. Nowt has changed. The bookies don't make money by being wrong. I hope we stay up ......4th from bottom will do me at this point.

Natasha Whittam

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Plenty can put their foot on the ball, it's passing it to a white shirt they struggle with.

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MARC ILES' MATCH VERDICT: Lessons need to be learned before Championship battle begins

IT’S probably best Wanderers get this sort of thing out of their system before the big day…
You have to be careful making sweeping judgements about a pre-season friendly, especially one in which Phil Parkinson was clearly trialling a new formation.
But as nearly 1,000 sun-kissed Bolton fans filed back out into the tight streets of Fleetwood to make their way home, few will have drawn many positives from Saturday's 2-0 defeat at Highbury.
Up to the trip to Fleetwood, Wanderers had been ticking along quite nicely. The summer had been played at a good tempo.

But on the North Fylde coast only one side played like they really meant it.
Fleetwood’s two goals came from two impressive new arrivals, Jordy Hiwula and Conor McAleny.
With a touch more ruthlessness in front of goal, there could have been more.
It is a shade under four months since Wanderers turned up at the very same stadium to underline their promotion credentials in League One.
That day the inclusion of new signing Jem Karacan and fit-again captain Darren Pratley proved the difference against one of the Whites’ real promotion rivals.
In an ideal world, Parkinson would have led his side back to show they had moved on and were ready for the Championship.
This 90 minutes raised some doubts on that front, and the players are going to have to work hard to convince the doubters in the two remaining pre-season games.
Many of the hundreds of Bolton fans that followed their team to Fleetwood were ticking the Cod Army’s bijou stadium off their list for the first time, having been unable to get tickets for the league clash.
But they were not treated to the same electric start, indeed they were put immediately on the back foot.
Hiwula missed a golden chance with only five minutes left on the clock, turning Lewie Coyle’s low cross wide from about six yards out.
Parkinson said after the game he had been trialling a front three but Will Buckley, Gary Madine and Sammy Ameobi were very much isolated men by the end of the first half.


Stephen Darby and Andy Taylor were, presumably, there to provide the width but both were pinned by Fleetwood’s overlapping full-backs, making it look more like a back five than the intended 3-4-3.
It left Josh Vela and Jem Karacan looking rather swamped, both struggling to get on the ball in any advanced positions.
Fleetwood went ahead on 19 minutes, on-loan Huddersfield Town striker Hiwula heading home a cross from Amari’i Bell.
Ex-Everton academy product Conor McAleny also looked on his game, arrowing a shot just wide of Mark Howard’s left-hand post a few moments later.
The home side kept the pressure on, and Dorian Dervite had to come up with a goal-saving challenge to prevent Hiwula scoring a second.
It took 32 minutes for Wanderers to register a shot, Vela doing the honours after a neat bit of football with Ameobi.
Sadly, those little exchanges we had seen all summer – including the 0-0 draw down the road at Fylde – were rare commodities.
Madine chased lost causes but spent much of the half looking up in despair at whomever had played a wayward pass, Ameobi willingly ran at defenders but wasted his final ball, and Buckley struggled to get into the game at all.
Whether Parkinson has the time remaining in the summer to lock down a 3-4-3 as a potential option in the Championship with two friendlies remaining is up for debate.
He may have taken some heart, however, from the fact the second half was marginally better.


Fleetwood played Sweet Caroline at the break in a gracious nod to their visitors’ success last season but it wouldn’t be long before the Captain Pugwash theme tune, which heralds every home goal, was jangling around the ground again.
The last time the unique celebratory music was played to welcome a second goal, Wanderers fans cheered – after all, their side were 4-2 up with a few minutes to go.
When McAleny made it 2-0 with a wonderful right-footed 20-yard strike, it seemed more suitable.
Oddly, the goal came at a stage when Bolton had been on top. Forcing a succession of corners, Mark Beevers had a shout for a penalty turned down by referee Scott Oldham.
McAleny’s finish ended any chance of a contest, even with Adam Le Fondre and Adam Armstrong now on the pitch.
The game slowed as a result of the scorching sunshine and a raft of Fleetwood substitutions.
Wanderers saved their best for last as Karacan’s tenacity won him the ball on the edge of the box and Le Fondre looped a shot just over the bar. Had we seen more of that sort of scrap, it would most likely have been a different story.
Stockport County lie in wait on Tuesday night, and perhaps a chance for some of the players who were not involved to force their way in.
But in all likelihood, next weekend’s game against Stoke City will be the last chance for Parkinson’s starting XI to fine tune before the big kick-off against Leeds United.

On this evidence there is plenty of work to do. Wanderers know the size of the task ahead of them this season in the Championship and that they have nowhere near the spending power of 90 per cent of the division.
They cannot lack in organisation or intensity and while this outing can be quickly consigned to the rubbish bin, time is ticking down before the serious stuff begins. A reality check, perhaps, but one which had better be heeded.
Team
Wanderers: Howard; Dervite (Derik 83), Wheater, Beevers; Darby, Karacan, Vela, Buckley (Armstrong 62), Taylor; Ameobi (Le Fondre 62), Madine (Pratley 78).
Not used: Alnwick, Little, C Taylor, Bruce, King.
Referee: Scott Oldham.

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He needs to start playing what would be classed as a full strength team now, last couple of games to see how they play and gel before the big opening day fixture. Yeah pre season may be about fitness and trying new things. But we need to make sure our strongest team play well together.

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Leeds_Trotter wrote:He needs to start playing what would be classed as a full strength team now, last couple of games to see how they play and gel before the big opening day fixture. Yeah pre season may be about fitness and trying new things. But we need to make sure our strongest team play well together.
The team he put out against Fleetwood was pretty much the strongest team although you could argue the toss re one or two positions. With the remaining prospective signings being defence/midfield Parky has to sort out some sort of attacking threat with what he's got. And therein lies the problem as we've been saying all along.

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